Wu beats Efren & Francisco

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Bata Bows Down to Taiwanese teen sensation in China

THE MAGICIAN Efren "Bata" Reyes of the Philippines suffered defeat at the hands of reigning World 9-ball ruler Wu Chia Ching, 5 - 9, in the Finals of the exhibition leg of the 2006 Asian 9-Ball Tour at the jam-packed Guangdong TV Studio late Sunday evening in Guangzhou, China.

The 2006 San Miguel Vietnam leg champion Reyes, much to the delight of an eager Chinese audience, brought to the table his usual effortless flair of manipulating the white cue while pocketing balls left and right.

However, it was the youngster's day as Wu managed to defeat the magic of Reyes to claim this year's exhibition leg trophy.

Both pool players battled it out against a select cast of Asia's pool elite and ended up breezing through the six-man competition as Reyes conquered China's National Women's Champion Pan Xiao Ting and National team coach, Xu Men, as he posted dual wins over the hometown bets, 7 racks to 5.

Meanwhile, the 17 year old billiard phenom Wu, suffered no resistance from his side of the bracket either; Coming up with an impressive win of 7-3 against 2006 Ho Chi Minh leg runner-up Li He Wen of Hong Kong and a 7-5 clincher over former World Pool runner-up Francisco "Django" Bustamante to complete his rout of the tournament and face the illustrious Reyes in the Finals.

The exhibition leg was a welcome change to the competition format as the players were allowed to polish their skills and play their style of billiards freely without the added pressure of the tournament, serving as an exciting introduction for the Chinese viewers to world class 9-ball competition.

However, the real contest resumes next month when the 2006 San Miguel Asian 9-Ball Tour continues in Kaohsiung, Taiwan on August 4- 6.

STAR Sports will air highlights of the exhibition tournament on July 23 at 16:00hrs (HK/Singapore time).
 
The kid is incredible. Imagine what his game will be like when he hits their age. And imagine what Jasmin Ouschan's game will be like when she hits Allison's age.

The kids are taking over, and at their age, their game will only get better.
 
Note that Pan Xiao Ting only lost 7-5 to Efren. A pretty decent effort!

The article listed Li He Wen as from Hong Kong, but actually he's based in northern China....Beijing I think.

Colin
 
Snapshot9 said:
Bata Bows Down to Taiwanese teen sensation in China

THE MAGICIAN Efren "Bata" Reyes of the Philippines suffered defeat at the hands of reigning World 9-ball ruler Wu Chia Ching, 5 - 9, in the Finals of the exhibition leg of the 2006 Asian 9-Ball Tour at the jam-packed Guangdong TV Studio late Sunday evening in Guangzhou, China.
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Damn. {meant in a good way}
 
WOW! WOW! WOW!

"Guangzhou , China - Efren "Bata" Reyes of the Philippines suffered defeat at the hands of a cool and collected Wu Chia Ching, 5 - 9, in the Finals of the exhibition leg of the 2006 Asian 9-Ball Tour at the jam-packed Guangdong TV Studio late Sunday evening......"

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Wu is really playin good, no question. I saw him playin` at the World Pool Championships 2005, where he won the title and he was sooo cool, especially for his age !

Some days ago i was talking to an official A Trainer who knows some Trainers from Chinese / Taipei.

They told him, that Pool Billard Trainig starts there allready at school :eek:

And then they got special training, when they are talented players.

The guy from Chinese also said, and now please fasten your seatbells first ..., that there are about 3.000 Pool playin` Kids in Chinese and that Wu is not really one of the best :eek: :eek:

He also said, that in the next few years those Chinese Freaks are going to beat the best Pool Players in the world.

We might allready see some of them during the coming World Pool Championships in Manila, i think.
 
Show Efren the money.

Exhibitions games are wonderful, but pay nothing. Raise the stakes and to say $100,000.00 and watch Efren's game. Playing for the big $$ seems to produce a change. Remember the "Color of Money" games between Efren and Earl? Efren was way behind and blasted past Earl to win the cheese. Not to say that Wu isn't a wonderful player. I've watched him play and he is very good, but not an Efren Reyes, not by a long shot.
In addition to skill, Efren has genius. He sees shots where no one else does and more frequently than not makes them.
Wu will become a stellar player, if he doesn't get burned out.
Dr. C
 
Wu vs. Francisco -> 0:3 ->7:5
Wu vs. Efren -> 0:3 -> 6:3 -> 9:5

STAR Sports will air on July 23 in Asia, and I think they will tell you how good Wu is.

crice9 said:
Exhibitions games are wonderful, but pay nothing. Raise the stakes and to say $100,000.00 and watch Efren's game. Playing for the big $$ seems to produce a change. Remember the "Color of Money" games between Efren and Earl? Efren was way behind and blasted past Earl to win the cheese. Not to say that Wu isn't a wonderful player. I've watched him play and he is very good, but not an Efren Reyes, not by a long shot.
In addition to skill, Efren has genius. He sees shots where no one else does and more frequently than not makes them.
Wu will become a stellar player, if he doesn't get burned out.
Dr. C
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I agree with circe9. Wu is a great player especially for his age but he is being overestimated. I have said it before that alot of people are stuck on the fact that he is a teenager and because of this everything he does becomes sensationalized. Wu is not even close to the best in world right now, but I think he will be one day.
 
This isn't meant as a thread-hijack, but Earl lost that not because of Efren's superior play, but because Earl is Earl and he lost it mentally and started doing very stupid things. He even comments on how he should have kept his mouth shut about the length of the race. You see, it was originally a race to 100, but Earl insisted it should be 120. Well, when Earl got to 100 first, he realized how stupid that was. It was all downhill for him after that. Efren didn't boost his game at all - he was fairly consistant the whole time. Earl's game had a serious decline at the end - an uncharacteristic decline. We're not talking just having a bad day - he was committing novice errors. So I wouldn't frame this as some great job by Efren, but rather as a huge breakdown for Earl.
 
Cameron Smith said:
I agree with circe9. Wu is a great player especially for his age but he is being overestimated. I have said it before that alot of people are stuck on the fact that he is a teenager and because of this everything he does becomes sensationalized. Wu is not even close to the best in world right now, but I think he will be one day.
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Um, if the current World Champion is not "close" to the best in the world then who is? This kid is already one of the best in the world and he continues to prove that his WC win was no fluke.

His performance at the WC was definitely world class and should go into the history books as one fo the best WC performances seen since the inception of the modern 9 ball WC.

John
 
Cameron Smith said:
I agree with circe9. Wu is a great player especially for his age but he is being overestimated. I have said it before that alot of people are stuck on the fact that he is a teenager and because of this everything he does becomes sensationalized. Wu is not even close to the best in world right now, but I think he will be one day.
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How can someone be overrated that is currently world champion in multiple disciplines? Who would you put so far ahead of him at the moment? I don't remember the last time someone cruised over Efren with a similar scoreline like he did.

You can't argue with results, and his results have a tendancy to speak for themselves,

http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000showplayer2005.cfm?playernum=3710


I wouldn't put him ahead of Efren or Alex playing big money games, but he isn't too far behind.
 
That kid is one of the best in the world at breaking and running runable racks. Because of the nature of 9ball, that is enough to win world championships. Seems like you don't need 30 years of competitive experience after all. He may never have the knowledge of Efren, but he can take him down any time unless they are playing more complicated games than 9ball. I don't see this as a surprise.
 
I agree that he's being a bit over-rated.

If he's so good, how come he didn't win a single IPT Qualifier?

When he wins, people are all so quick to point out that he's the best player in the world right now... he won the 2005 WPC, and yes that's a great testament to his skill. While I might not agree with the thought that he's all that and a bag of chips (did anyone watch the full match in his round robin stage where he choked multiple times against Alain Martel?), i think that with 9-ball anyone in the top tier can win a set against Efren and Bustamante... especially short races in an exhibition match. Weren't there less than a dozen players to begin with? Not exactly much work to get to the top if you ask me (compared to say the US Open).

Is this to say I'm belittling his talent? Hardly. Clearly he's established himself as a force to reckon with. No other play has managed to win 9-ball and 8-ball WPCs in the same year, so clearly he's a gifter player.

But right now Wu seems to be a bit of a contradiction himself. I think it might be due to slightly inconsistent play. What is magical about Efren is that over the past 20 years he's really managed to captivate the imagination of poolplayers and remain at the top of the field.

Wu has a lot of proving to do before he (or anyone else) can rightfully claim to be better than Efren.
 
Nice input Predator,

I do believe it is a good idea to move away from 9-ball for this very reason. Decreasing pocket size is a good idea - but I think 4.5" is a little extreme, it changes the game a little bit as now blocking pockets or tying up balls begins to play a larger role. I think a hair bigger would be best (but not huge like the BCA specs) the move to a different game like 10-ball or something. 8-ball is also a good choice. Everyone knows the game, it brings in strategy as well as skill.

9-ball tournaments on big-pockets are no longer a test of skill. That's one thing the IPT is correct about. There are so many no-names that can come out of the woodwork and run a 6-pack against a world-champion in 9-ball with big pockets. Not saying that's what WU did, just speaking in general. There aren't really tournaments with round-robin exept for the IPT, so in a double elimination, with big pockets, 9-ball..a champion can get knocked out by some local player. This makes the game trivial - almost luck based.


Changing the cloth is a BAD idea. There's a reason worsted wool was chosen, because the ball rolls straight. The IPT talks about eliminating luck so much, but they are inducing luck because on that nasty IPT nap cloth, when the cueball comes near to stopping as it is slow rolling, it often takes a turn one way or the other. A small turn like that can be the difference between getting hooked or getting out. Worsted cloth does not produce such "wobbles". The table should reflect what you've done as a player. You hit a ball in a certain direction with a certain speed with a certain spin. The equipment should produce the results for that and you should be rewarded or punished depending if you played it well or not.


9-ball is a fairly mindless game. The strategy is pretty basic, the safety play isn't all that advanced. There's some difficult position play - but that's about it. Either go to 10-ball or go to 8-ball. Find something that either makes things a little more difficult or adds some strategy and thinking.
 
This isn't meant as a thread-hijack, but Earl lost that not because of Efren's superior play, but because Earl is Earl and he lost it mentally and started doing very stupid things. He even comments on how he should have kept his mouth shut about the length of the race. You see, it was originally a race to 100, but Earl insisted it should be 120. Well, when Earl got to 100 first, he realized how stupid that was. It was all downhill for him after that. Efren didn't boost his game at all - he was fairly consistant the whole time. Earl's game had a serious decline at the end - an uncharacteristic decline. We're not talking just having a bad day - he was committing novice errors. So I wouldn't frame this as some great job by Efren, but rather as a huge breakdown for Earl.
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well there was Color of money II?
why earl lost again here?
 
onepocketchump said:
Um, if the current World Champion is not "close" to the best in the world then who is? This kid is already one of the best in the world and he continues to prove that his WC win was no fluke.

His performance at the WC was definitely world class and should go into the history books as one fo the best WC performances seen since the inception of the modern 9 ball WC.

John
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The world champion is just someone who won a tournament that is called the World Championship, but it doesn't make you the best in the world. Alex Pagualyan won the US Open with a field that was just as strong if not tougher than the world title. I think he is a top player for sure, but I don't think he is the best simply because of some the decisions he makes which have been more than questionable. I've seen him play some amazing matches but I have also seen really shaky ones too. He was very lucky in the World 9 ball final that he had an opponent that was playing as badly as he was in the very beginning. But of course you can't take that five and out away from him, it was certainly a story book ending. However if he was facing Alex, Thorsten, Efren, Earl etc. I don't think he would have done nearly as well.
 
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