WWYD 10-Ball

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This is a match between two pros. Player A pushed out to this position. Player B gave the shot back. Now Player A must shoot. Standard 10-ball, call shot, call safe rules. WWYD? (I'll post a link to the video later)
 
I think I remember this layout but don't remember the shot details.

I'd hit the cueball with follow to bring it to the end rail and bank the object ball 2-3 rails to the other side, hopefully behind the cluster on the right.
Softer stop shot to leave the cueball behind the 5 would also work, but I'd rather leave them long and on opposite sides of the table.
 
Play safe, it's difficult to control the speed, but I would try it.
 

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Play safe, it's difficult to control the speed, but I would try it.

I don't think this is possible. You would need to use a little draw to get the cue ball to follow that path and in order to get the draw to work from that distance you'll have to to hit it with some speed which would make the 1 ball move much farther from the rail possibly selling out a shot.
 
First off, player A, horrible roll out....

Here's the shot....High center cue ball, bank the one ball two rails and roll whitey forward.... land on top of the six or the long rail, good chance of hookin' em here with the 5 ball, plus great ball separation between the one/two....whitey should be layin' on the the long rail after the shot. The shooter here has waaaaaaaaaay the best of it winning this game.
 
I think I remember this layout but don't remember the shot details.

I'd hit the cueball with follow to bring it to the end rail and bank the object ball 2-3 rails to the other side, hopefully behind the cluster on the right.
Softer stop shot to leave the cueball behind the 5 would also work, but I'd rather leave them long and on opposite sides of the table.

This looks like a good shot but they didn't do that.
 
First off, player A, horrible roll out....

Here's the shot....High center cue ball, bank the one ball two rails and roll whitey forward.... land on top of the six or the long rail, good chance of hookin' em here with the 5 ball, plus great ball separation between the one/two....whitey should be layin' on the the long rail after the shot. The shooter here has waaaaaaaaaay the best of it winning this game.

How is this a horrible roll out if player B turned down the shot and gave it back?
 
Stick the cueball behind the 4-ball and send the 1-ball three rails to a pretty big safe.
 
I don't think this is possible. You would need to use a little draw to get the cue ball to follow that path and in order to get the draw to work from that distance you'll have to to hit it with some speed which would make the 1 ball move much farther from the rail possibly selling out a shot.

First off, it's possible, it's just not easy. Second, you don't need to draw the ball, you can hit it with outside and get it where it needs to be. I play that shot often, especially in one pocket.

This looks like a good shot but they didn't do that.

.... You are making threads called "WWYD"...

Do you want to make threads called, guess what they did? or What would you do?

BTW, I know what Shaw did, I've seen the video before, but that's not what you are looking for. Shaw made the shot... It's why he played that roll out.
 
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I guess it depends on the score. If it's tight, I would try to find a safety:

* There might be an angle to bank the 1 4/5 rails behind the 9, but at that speed, cueball control is going to get real difficult.

* I don't hate Dave's touch shot, but it requires a lot of left spin at very slow speed - hard to control and big chance of selling out the 1 in the side. I've paid that toll plenty of times, but that's not to say I wouldn't try it again under the right conditions.

* I might just hit the 1-ball straight on and follow the cueball one rail to the head rail between the pocket and the first diamond. The 1-ball goes two rails - probably the only real chance you have at getting a hook is behind the 5-ball, but it's a pretty big ball from there.

If I'm way ahead or way behind, I might just bank the 1-ball. It looks like it goes cross-corner and 3 rails, but position is no gimmie.

Aaron
 
I guess it depends on the score. If it's tight, I would try to find a safety:

* There might be an angle to bank the 1 4/5 rails behind the 9, but at that speed, cueball control is going to get real difficult.

* I don't hate Dave's touch shot, but it requires a lot of left spin at very slow speed - hard to control and big chance of selling out the 1 in the side. I've paid that toll plenty of times, but that's not to say I wouldn't try it again under the right conditions.

* I might just hit the 1-ball straight on and follow the cueball one rail to the head rail between the pocket and the first diamond. The 1-ball goes two rails - probably the only real chance you have at getting a hook is behind the 5-ball, but it's a pretty big ball from there.

If I'm way ahead or way behind, I might just bank the 1-ball. It looks like it goes cross-corner and 3 rails, but position is no gimmie.

Aaron

The score is tied 6-6 going to 9
 
The score is tied 6-6 going to 9

Then I look for a safety. When the pressure is on, I look for shots that are simple to execute and put distance between the two balls. If they offer a chance of a hook, that's even better - I like two railing the 1-ball and following whitey to the head rail.

Aaron
 
Stick the cueball behind the 4-ball and send the 1-ball three rails to a pretty big safe.

This shot might be playable but to me it looks like if you hit the 1 ball full to stick the cue ball you would end up sending the 1 ball two rails down toward the lower left corner pocket selling it out.
 
Stick the cueball behind the 4-ball and send the 1-ball three rails to a pretty big safe.

If the angle is there, that is a fine shot assuming you can stay out of the side pocket. It just doesn't appear to me that the angle is there for it. Cutting the 1-ball to the left, even a small amount, I think makes it hit the 7-ball. Even a straight-on stop shot takes the 1-ball dangerously close to the 7, and wouldn't really offer much of a hook opportunity due to how sharp that 1-ball is going to come out of the corner - Diamond table with new cloth, so it is going to come out close to the 5... hell, it might even bank 2 rails in the corner on this equipment.

Aaron
 
Another shot that *might* be there is two-railing the 1-ball thin and spinning the cueball 3 rails. The 1-ball goes two rails "Z" to land near the long rail about halfway between the 4 and 7 - the cueball goes behind the 2-ball and spins 3 rails toward the bottom right corner. Super touchy, and I don't think I would ever shoot it, but it just might be there.

Aaron
 
How is this a horrible roll out if player B turned down the shot and gave it back?

Ideally you would like to force your opponent into making a mistake on a push out. Putting the cb in a spot where you dont have a pet shot, or an easy safe, will probably make your opponent give it right back.... and now its you who is stuck in a bad spot.

Some guys who can jump really well push out for jump shots should they know their opponent will give it back. If you can't jump well, your shouldnt push out for a jump shot.
Make sense?
 
id shoot the 1 ball rail first into the lime green ball (6?)to carom the 1 towards the corner pocket blocked by the 2-3
i dont expect the 6 to fall
and leave him jacked up on the 4
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id shoot the 1 ball rail first into the lime green ball (6?)to carom the 1 towards the corner pocket blocked by the 2-3
i dont expect the 6 to fall
and leave him jacked up on the 4
View attachment 392001

That was something I was looking at, but it would be a bit too easy to hit it too soft or too hard and scratch or leave an open shot or make the ball.
 
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