WWYD - Random 10-ball Layout

[Colin Colenso]

Colin's follow while doubling the corner, in my opinion, is beyond most amateurs, but now that's he put it up there, I have to believe this is the best route if you've got the skills. This most definitely a 9-baller shot.

Freddie <~~~ lost the shut out

What do you mean by doubling the corner Freddie... it's not a bank... perhaps I'm unfamiliar with the terminology.

I'll shoot a couple of those this afternoon. I grant that most amateurs avoid these inside english shots, but they're very easy with some practice and some familiarity with BHE.

 

[Hits 'em Hard]

What do you mean by doubling the corner Freddie... it's not a bank... perhaps I'm unfamiliar with the terminology.

I'll shoot a couple of those this afternoon. I grant that most amateurs avoid these inside english shots, but they're very easy with some practice and some familiarity with BHE.

It means exactly as you showed. Having the cue ball hit both rails near the corner pocket. Usually inferred that the shot is played with speed, and a end to side rail. As for the inside english, it's not nearly as much as you think. It's more on the initial placement of the cue ball.

 

[KeyHammonds]

I'm with cleary

Not to difficult here. Getting on the 1 ball like cleary suggested is the shot. After pocketing the 2 leaving enough angle on the 3 to play whitey towards the 4 draw back for the 5 everything else is a sitting duck. IMO

 

[Cornerman]

What do you mean by doubling the corner Freddie... it's not a bank... perhaps I'm unfamiliar with the terminology.

I'll shoot a couple of those this afternoon. I grant that most amateurs avoid these inside english shots, but they're very easy with some practice and some familiarity with BHE.

Maybe that's why people (who might be more used to snooker or billiard terms) don't understand my commentary?

"Double the corner" is the common term when the cueball with running english hits both cushions near the corner pocket. The path in rotation games usually takes the cueball to and through the center of the table as a reference.

Freddie <~~~ double talking

 

[Colin Colenso]

It means exactly as you showed. Having the cue ball hit both rails near the corner pocket. Usually inferred that the shot is played with speed, and a end to side rail. As for the inside english, it's not nearly as much as you think. It's more on the initial placement of the cue ball.

Thanks, have never come across the term doubling for in and out of a corner. You're right, the straightish shot only requires a little inside, to help the CB run around, avoiding the check that follow only gives.

 

[Colin Colenso]

Maybe that's why people (who might be more used to snooker or billiard terms) don't understand my commentary?

"Double the corner" is the common term when the cueball with running english hits both cushions near the corner pocket. The path in rotation games usually takes the cueball to and through the center of the table as a reference.

Freddie <~~~ double talking

Thanks Freddie,

Do they call it tripling when we use inside english follow long rail, short rail, long rail up through center of the table?

Love these shots for predictability of speed and line. I do a lot of drills going 2 and 3 rails around 1 half of the table with a few OBs spread around, trying to move around them and onto them.

 

[Cornerman]

Thanks Freddie,

Do they call it tripling when we use inside english follow long rail, short rail, long rail up through center of the table?

No, just a 3-railer.

Freddie

 

[Colin Colenso]

Just took some video of the 3 inside english shots I offered as options.

The first is strong imho as a low risk and good percentage shot.

The double the other way was a better line, but the 7 caused havoc. I got hooked about 40% by the 7 in practice. In this video, I hooked myself twice, coming up the identical line... proves how consistent this method is in producing a consistent line to the 3rd rail.

I like the 3rd option also. Only hooked myself about 1 in 8 in practice and ended up with a nice shot on the 2 ball most shots.

Video is here: http://youtu.be/FBL9S5HzXnI

And note the use of back hand pivoting....
Colin

 

[Colin Colenso]

Seems I posted the video when everyone was in bed. Interested to see if others who wouldn't usually try the inside english 2 railer had a go at it.

 

[Nick B]

For me two options to the same place. My thinking is if I can get to the seven I'm golden *preferably a couple inches up from the seven.

Option 1 for the mid-level player who doesn't like the two rails option which is actually the safer route. From there of the rail with top spin and a hair of inside goes the white path.

Option 2. Other pocket two rails to a clean route with fewer problems if you are comfortable with the shot.

Between the red lines and not hooked and you should be out. The other options including might be easier but can leave you funny on the two. My way if you get on two you win.

 

[Nick B]

I like Colin's shot as well but you are playing with the six and the side. Clipping the six is death. End up short or long is no good. Safe to execute and a little flashy (probably why I like it).

 

[Colin Colenso]

I like Colin's shot as well but you are playing with the six and the side. Clipping the six is death. End up short or long is no good. Safe to execute and a little flashy (probably why I like it).

I know the 6 clipping and side in off look like they are possibilities, but it you are just off straight and get any amount of inside english on the shot and don't stun it badly, those two risks are near to zero.

I'd back myself to play the shot 100 times in a row drunk and never hit the 6 or scratch in the center. So long as we don't include missed potts. The lesson is, learn the shot, the inside double line are more predictable than any other positional shot on the table bar straight ins.

 

[Masayoshi]

Surely thin clip, one rail, straight down the table, between 8 and 9.

Letting cb loose is fraught with difficulty.

I like this shot the most. It basically makes it so that speed control is a non issue. All you have to do is take care to come off of the rail at the right angle which is simple with ball in hand. Although instead of trying to go between the 8 and 9, I would try to bump the 9 as it makes speed control even easier.

 

[rikdee]

I like this shot the most. It basically makes it so that speed control is a non issue. All you have to do is take care to come off of the rail at the right angle which is simple with ball in hand. Although instead of trying to go between the 8 and 9, I would try to bump the 9 as it makes speed control even easier.

I like this play as well but would crotch the QB to create a natural tangent line instead of using the cushion. Bumping either will likely result in a play on the two. Pretty much straight pool 101.

 

[Masayoshi]

I like this play as well but would crotch the QB to create a natural tangent line instead of using the cushion. Bumping either will likely result in a play on the two. Pretty much straight pool 101.

That is also a possibility, it just depends on what you are more comfortable with and the table conditions.

 

[jojopiff]

That would work too.

I do enjoy these threads and enjoy seeing differing opinions, but the fact remains... It's less about what you do and more about how/if you execute it.

I think there are always lots of ways to play outs, but in this case, I think playing Cleary's route is the only option. Never crossing a ball here is generally the best idea. You are always on the 2, maybe not to pocket or get on the 3, but you can always see it and be in control of the table.

But I'm pretty crappy at playing precise position like this. Buddy of mine would play it "wrong" (my opinion of wrong) and land in the perfect spot almost every time.

To each their own...