Yankee Club York, PA Annual "Black Friday" Open 9 ball tournament November 27, 2009

I had a really good time at this tournament. There were a lot of good players, everyone seemed really cool. I thought it was ran very good considering the amount of shooters for only four tables. I live over two hours away from York, so nobody running the tournament knew me at all and had no reason to give me any special treatment and I thought that my four matches were played within a reasonable amount of time. I think the "special treatment" accusation is ridiculous. I will definitely be back to play there again.

By the way, does anyone know who won??
 
I just stated my opinion, thats it. I played my first one at around 12:30 and I sat there till after 7:30 pm , and still wasnt called after I and a couple others went up to the table to find out if they knew anything cause we watched others play 3 and 4 times thats it. Im sure there were people there that didn't have any problems with it. But they arent the ones that sat there for the longest time period. I dont know but everyone I talked to even said theirselves they would have not have liked sitting there over a 7 hour wait when others were playing a 3 to 4 times . That is what I said cause thats what happened. I just said that I will not play in anymore like that thats all , Check the brackets sheets and you will see for yourselves .. Im sure they are still in at the club ,,,,,
 
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Kevin.......Once again "GREAT" tourny brother !!!!!

It is a terrible shame some people on here have nothing 2 do but bash people trying to promote our great game. I have made the trek down to York from Northern NJ, a 4hr. drive, twice and wuz worth every single minute. GREAT PEOPLE, CHEAP FOOD, CHEAP CLEAN HOTELS, and GREAT PLAYERS. Not to mention a GREAT TOURNY DIRECTOR. Whoever you are bashing this tourny, and you no who you are just go bowling or go beat your girl or boyfriend up !!!! Now we all wonder WHY pool get's the rap we do.......cause off assholes as yourself!!!!

Hey Kev, sorry I couldnt make it this year......I miss seein you guy's. Next year definately. Take care my friend.

Frankie
 
I just stated my opinion, thats it. I played my first one at around 12:30 and I sat there till after 7:30 pm , and still wasnt called after I and a couple others went up to the table to find out if they knew anything cause we watched others play 3 and 4 times thats it. Im sure there were people there that didn't have any problems with it. But they arent the ones that sat there for the longest time period. I dont know but everyone I talked to even said theirselves they would have not have liked sitting there over a 7 hour wait when others were playing a 3 to 4 times . That is what I said cause thats what happened. I just said that I will not play in anymore like that thats all , Check the brackets sheets and you will see for yourselves .. Im sure they are still in at the club ,,,,,

STOP IT !!!! STOP CRYING !! You sound like a lil girl that had her backside touched. Do you play for a living? If you didnt like it so much just dont play, Im sure you wont be missed.......
 
STOP IT !!!! STOP CRYING !! You sound like a lil girl that had her backside touched. Do you play for a living? If you didnt like it so much just dont play, Im sure you wont be missed.......

Yea I can see you know alot about the tournament, Kevin wasn't even there. !!!! So it really shows how much you know, I don't want to bash the tournament, The Yankee club is a great club to go to play and to eat , and have a good time and I never seen anything like this or heard of anything like this in any of the other tournaments. I just stated that there was somethings that alot of people from around here did not like. And that was the skipping over and the waits for some and then the one's that were up crying from the start didn't have to wait at all, That was said. I dont care whoever you are but I guarantee that if it was you sitting there over 7 hours in between matches and still wasn't called you would be pissed to. I just chose to wait and wait and that took 7 hours till I had enough and went up and asked and then they said in a acouple people, well all 4 tables got filled again by two more people so that makes 8 , and I decided I wasn't waiting any longer and had better things to do. I don't care who plays there and who don't it useually is a great tournament and it is useually ran very good. Thats it And Im not bashing anyone it seems like you are the one trying to bash me !! I showed up to have a good time and play thats it I don't think Im something Im not !!
 
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Black Friday

Sorry to hear about your experience at that tournament. Quite obviously, you support that Club more than just a once a year appearance for a tournament.
It is wonderful that the Yankee still holds that tournament, after all these years. They need events like this to help the Club survive. But really, isn't 50 players on four tables a bit much? What time did this thing get over? Having to wait more than two hours for a match on a one day tournament is taxing on the patience! To those that can do it, I toast my drink to ya. Seven hours does sound a bit much and I don't believe this guy is bashing anything. Sounds like someone who paid his entry fee to play some pool, played a match, sat quietly waiting to be called for his next match, didn't get called, asked when he would get called and was told he was on deck for the second calling or so, wasn't called and said the heck with this! Can you blame him? Doesn't sound like he is making it up. Then to challenge the guy to freeze up $500 to play $100 sets? Where's the gamble in that? Doesn't even make sense. Freeze up $2,3,4,500 and play 10 ahead or just play $10, 20, 50 a game till someone crys "Uncle" if you want to try and make a point of some sort. The Yankee folks are great and I've been going over there for more than 30 years and have done well in a number of their events. They try hard, but they are not perfect and are not professional tournament directors either. The mistakes they do make are ones that can be easily forgiven. And yes, they do feature what they determine as favorites more often in the early going than just following the chart as they are suppose to do. The temptation to do so is too inviting because of the sidebetting.
Beside that, this is a forum for positives and negatives. This guy had a negative experience and has expressed it. If you have had a positive experience, why not counter with that instead of nonsensical dribble.
If anyone knows the history of this tournament, they should document it and publish it. Must be 15 years now.
 
Sorry to hear about your experience at that tournament. Quite obviously, you support that Club more than just a once a year appearance for a tournament.
It is wonderful that the Yankee still holds that tournament, after all these years. They need events like this to help the Club survive. But really, isn't 50 players on four tables a bit much? What time did this thing get over? Having to wait more than two hours for a match on a one day tournament is taxing on the patience! To those that can do it, I toast my drink to ya. Seven hours does sound a bit much and I don't believe this guy is bashing anything. Sounds like someone who paid his entry fee to play some pool, played a match, sat quietly waiting to be called for his next match, didn't get called, asked when he would get called and was told he was on deck for the second calling or so, wasn't called and said the heck with this! Can you blame him? Doesn't sound like he is making it up. Then to challenge the guy to freeze up $500 to play $100 sets? Where's the gamble in that? Doesn't even make sense. Freeze up $2,3,4,500 and play 10 ahead or just play $10, 20, 50 a game till someone crys "Uncle" if you want to try and make a point of some sort. The Yankee folks are great and I've been going over there for more than 30 years and have done well in a number of their events. They try hard, but they are not perfect and are not professional tournament directors either. The mistakes they do make are ones that can be easily forgiven. And yes, they do feature what they determine as favorites more often in the early going than just following the chart as they are suppose to do. The temptation to do so is too inviting because of the sidebetting.
Beside that, this is a forum for positives and negatives. This guy had a negative experience and has expressed it. If you have had a positive experience, why not counter with that instead of nonsensical dribble.
If anyone knows the history of this tournament, they should document it and publish it. Must be 15 years now.

This is all I stated was this tournament experience, I been at so many over the years that were ran good and did go well, Im not saying that this was not a good tournament or a good turn out. It was just alot more then I expected with only 4 tables and If I knew it would have been like this I would have not entered. I would not have said anything about the tournament either way if I didn't sit that long without playing my second match. I go to support the club I ate while I was there I bought drinks for me and my freinds , I punched the boards. I just said I didn't like the wait to get to my next matchup. I just started playing last year again after being ill for years and still am, I just went to play not to sit that long , I don't want anyone to take it the wrong way I go to the club to play and I will keep going but next tournament I will see how many people are in it before I register thats it, no big deal ...
 
This is what went down

Ok guys- I participated in this tournament as I have every year for the past 7 or 8 years. I got there at 9 AM and left during the final match between Kraw and Daya (Brett got 3rd). The way they ran teh bracket is as follows:
Played first Round (Approx 20 games after you filter byes in)
Played second round winner side (16 matches)
Played first round loser side (mostly byes)
Played Played Second round loser side (16 matches)
Played 3rd round Winner Side (8 matches)
Played 3rd round Loser side (8 matches)
Criss Crossed from top of 4th round loser to Top of 4th round Winners abck and forth top to bottom.
Tournament was ran like that the rest of the way.

I can guarentee that the lady who RAN this tournament was NOT providing preferencial treatment to ANYONE. She was listening to everyone complain as all those who ran the tournament always do (I have in the past), but she did not play marquee matches in any different order that they were scheduled to be played given the above schedule. Sometimes if you get an early draw and lose...then catcha bye in the first round of the loser side...yeah, you will wait a long time. Think about it. You catch an early match, then 36 matches are played on 4 tables before you logicaly come up again. At, lets say, 45 mins a match..36 / 4 * .75 hours is...what do you know 6 - 7 hours. That is how the tournament math works. Those who come to this great tourament should leave the conspiracy theories at home and or...volunteer to run the tourament..coming from someone who has done it a few years and Kevin can attest to this...it is a thankless job. The players all think you are doing them wrong and complain. That is why I don't do it anymore. I know the guy who is voicing his concern her and I also know he IS a good guy. He got frustrated waiting so long and things started floating around his head as to why he was waiting so long...that is human nature. For the future...this tourament pays pretty well, there is cheap food and beer and there is always great pool to watch, but you WILL be waiting longer than your are probably used to waiting to play. It pays out well though and who wants to go shopping with the wife anyway. I love this tourmament for what I just wrote and I hate it for the waits, but it IS fair and there is no preferencial treatment. If we are LUCKY the lady who ran the tourmanet will continue to run it...please don't scare her off with all this stuff like I was scared off.
 
Thank you Lisa for a job well done.

I want to add a big thank you to Lisa for stepping in and filling in as the tournament director for this years event. I was unable to make it this year do to unexpected circumstances. I know that she had a difficult task but I only asked her to sub for me as I knew full well she could handle the duties involved with running this large tournament.

This tournament along with the annual Good Friday tournament consistently draws anywhere between 32 to 56 players. That is a lot of players to accomodate on a four table club atmosphere tournament. Most players that attend these tournaments are repeat attendees and know that it can be difficult and that the wait times sometimes seem like forever. With out being there this event I feel pretty confident that there was no preferment made for an single player or players in this tournament. The tournament is run with NO favoratism in either the player draw or scheduling of the matches.

This year we again had 49 players and made the races to 5 on the winners side and to 4 on the losers side. Every year we juggle with the idea of shortening the races in order to shorten the wait times between matches and the overall ending time of the tournament. I typically ask people their thoughts and then make a judgement call based on the overall majority. When I do this it is a situation where you can't please all of the people all of the time.

We continue to have great turn outs for these two annual tournaments. I once again would like to thank all of the repeat players and all of the new player that attend the tournaments. Without your dedication and support these tournament would not be what they are today. So again thanks for your patience an your understanding when playing in these tournaments.

If any attendees have any comments or suggestions as to how to better the tournament I am always all ears and would love to hear from you.

Thanks again

Kevin Lindstrom
 
Ok guys- I participated in this tournament as I have every year for the past 7 or 8 years. I got there at 9 AM and left during the final match between Kraw and Daya (Brett got 3rd). The way they ran teh bracket is as follows:
Played first Round (Approx 20 games after you filter byes in)
Played second round winner side (16 matches)
Played first round loser side (mostly byes)
Played Played Second round loser side (16 matches)
Played 3rd round Winner Side (8 matches)
Played 3rd round Loser side (8 matches)
Criss Crossed from top of 4th round loser to Top of 4th round Winners abck and forth top to bottom.
Tournament was ran like that the rest of the way.

I can guarentee that the lady who RAN this tournament was NOT providing preferencial treatment to ANYONE. She was listening to everyone complain as all those who ran the tournament always do (I have in the past), but she did not play marquee matches in any different order that they were scheduled to be played given the above schedule. Sometimes if you get an early draw and lose...then catcha bye in the first round of the loser side...yeah, you will wait a long time. Think about it. You catch an early match, then 36 matches are played on 4 tables before you logicaly come up again. At, lets say, 45 mins a match..36 / 4 * .75 hours is...what do you know 6 - 7 hours. That is how the tournament math works. Those who come to this great tourament should leave the conspiracy theories at home and or...volunteer to run the tourament..coming from someone who has done it a few years and Kevin can attest to this...it is a thankless job. The players all think you are doing them wrong and complain. That is why I don't do it anymore. I know the guy who is voicing his concern her and I also know he IS a good guy. He got frustrated waiting so long and things started floating around his head as to why he was waiting so long...that is human nature. For the future...this tourament pays pretty well, there is cheap food and beer and there is always great pool to watch, but you WILL be waiting longer than your are probably used to waiting to play. It pays out well though and who wants to go shopping with the wife anyway. I love this tourmament for what I just wrote and I hate it for the waits, but it IS fair and there is no preferencial treatment. If we are LUCKY the lady who ran the tourmanet will continue to run it...please don't scare her off with all this stuff like I was scared off.

Let me just say this one final thing. Maybe I should not have posted this like this, it came off all wrong. I dont want to point the finger at anyone or anything like that. It is just the way things turned out, I just like to play and thats it, Im not a tournament person, what I meant by it depends who you are was there were guys up at the table all day long saying stuff that they didnt want to wait and stuff , I didn't mean anything about the lady takeing care of the brackets or any other volunteers. Thanks to all that spent their time doing it. I just meant I waited for along time before I went up to see when approx. I may be playing when others went up ahead of time and got their games early. It was told to me that they were skipping around cause some dont like to sit. That is what I said. I know what Rick is saying I bet every year there is people that have a problem with how things are, but I should have not made it sound like I didn't appreciate the volunteers for running the tournament and for that I appologize. My only point being is that if I know there will be that many players I won't sign up, I dont mind donating my money, I like the game to play and to watch so I will go to the tournaments either way maybe not to play if there are that many players anymore , but I know the Yankee only has 4 tables, Im just not used to that many showing up. I have to say this if anyone would have been in my shoes and seen others playing multiable matches to your one you would have felt the same way !! The volunteers did a good job , they had no way of knowing there were going to be that many players before hand and I hope they keep volunteering .....
 
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Results from the tourney. 49 players paying top 16 spots in order.

1st. Matt Krah
2nd. Dave Daya
3rd. Brett Stottlemyer
4th. Jeff Kerr
5th. Kevin Myers
6th. Derek Schwanger
7th. Rich Nace
8th. Donnie Perryman
9th. Ed Huckleberry
10th. Keith Sutton
11th. Craig Rineman
12th. Joe Cataldi
13th. Rick Miller
14th. Chuck Fought
15th. Larry Swaz
16th. Josh Keller
 
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