You Ask "Who Makes The Best Bushka Tribute?"

[skins]

Does this look like gold or brass to you? This is the original. Sure looks more like a brass, almost copper color to me. Palmer did have different shades of metallic colored plastic, which George also used extensively. Other pictures of the original show the same thing.

The material will change color over time as well as when exposed to the finish for extended periods. Time is a ***** isn't it. The materials in my cue are the same and if you sanded down that sleeve a thousandth or two, what lies beneath will look like my cue....

 

[WildWing]

If that's the case, the mother of pearl and the white rings above the wrap would look a little different and aged too. But they don't; they look pretty much as original. Hard as it may be to accept, George did occasionally use a brass/copper colored material for a lot of rings, rather than gold colored. The Billiard Encyclopedia has a pretty good picture of this too in the Bushka section. This is no shame, by the way. You have a great cue, by a great cuemaker. My point was to FlyVirginiaGuy on the color of the rings on the original cue, not yours.

 

[skins]

If that's the case, the mother of pearl and the white rings above the wrap would look a little different and aged too. But they don't; they look pretty much as original. Hard as it may be to accept, George did occasionally use a brass/copper colored material for a lot of rings, rather than gold colored. The Billiard Encyclopedia has a pretty good picture of this too in the Bushka section. This is no shame, by the way. You have a great cue, by a great cuemaker. My point was to FlyVirginiaGuy on the color of the rings on the original cue, not yours.

It's the same material. You can believe what you want. I was told by the maker it's the same. He would know. If he says it is, it is.

 

[lorider]

It's the same material. You can believe what you want. I was told by the maker it's the same. He would know. If he says it is, it is.

it seems to me like there have been quite a few guys touting pete made them cues using georges original material.

i am wondering just how much original material could be left after all these years.?

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

One disagreement I have is on the "gold" rings on the butt sleeve. They weren't gold colored at all. They were brass colored.

It would really take seeing that cue in person closeup, which is HIGHLY unlikely heh. The material has a very high reflective characteristic to it. So something in a photo dark against it can reflect and make the material look a different color in some photos (think metallic wrapping paper, that is what it is like kinda). I have some gold, red, and silver. It all changes colors in different lighting. It could be copper (which is what you are calling brass I suppose). Would have to see it to know for sure though.

Here is the gold in an original GB. You can see in the gold material the reflection from the shafts beside the cue, showing it's reflective characteristics.

And Copper from one of classiccues earlier posts (having not been smooth sanded and buffed yet obviously).

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

it seems to me like there have been quite a few guys touting pete made them cues using georges original material.

i am wondering just how much original material could be left after all these years.?

I spoke to Pete quite some time ago about the stuff. He did not have any. People send it to him to have put into a cue more than likely. Much like I have done in the past with a cue.

But I would call it more a Palmer material than George's. Learning as much as could about it, Palmer had it made back in the 60s-70s. George used it in many of his cues though.

 

[WildWing]

Yes, exactly. I think George used the copper color for the rings in the buttsleeve, rather than gold. Billiard Encyclopedia shows at least one clearly as well. I think a lot of people looking quickly at the auction pictures thought it was a gold color without looking at it critically.

 

[skins]

Yes, exactly. I think George used the copper color for the rings in the buttsleeve, rather than gold. Billiard Encyclopedia shows at least one clearly as well. I think a lot of people looking quickly at the auction pictures thought it was a gold color without looking at it critically.

My info is that it IS the same material. That's all I can say. Your "opinion" is based off pictures. Mine from as close to the horses mouth as you can get.

 

[dusty13]

The prince aka tasc on the right is my favorite tasc
I've ever seen so its unreal congrats on new cue. Bobby's
Great to deal with. Never go wrong with tasc mr Pete's cues also
Play just as good as they look enjoy buddy.

 

[flyvirginiaguy]

My info is that it IS the same material. That's all I can say. Your "opinion" is based off pictures. Mine from as close to the horses mouth as you can get.

There is not a doubt in my mind it is the same material. However, the color is what he is debating. This material came in quite a few different colors back then.

 

[skins]

There is not a doubt in my mind it is the same material. However, the color is what he is debating. This material came in quite a few different colors back then.

I'm not disputing that it "may" have come in different colors. I'm just saying I was told it's the same. Until I'm told/shown different I'll stick with that. Willies cue is close to half a century old. Who knows what changes this material goes through over time... How bout we take pictures of my cue in 50 years. LOL ... All kidding aside, maybe if we saw pictures of the cue from the seventies that might help OR any other cues with this so called copper colored material ( with all this talk that the material was made in a copper color IM SURE one of these guys can come up with a few examples to help their argument ).... Until then in the immortal words of Steve Kerr, "That's my story and I'm sticking to it".

 

[WildWing]

There is not a doubt in my mind it is the same material. However, the color is what he is debating. This material came in quite a few different colors back then.

This is exactly right, and was my only point. Nobody ever said it wasn't the same type of material. There is a good deal of difference in the color though. Having seen Willie's cue in 1982 in Harrah's in Atlantic City, I can tell you those rings were just as copper as the auction pictures today. The cue was probably only 10 to 15 years old then. Time hasn't changed the color a bit, nor the mother of pearl, nor the rings above the wrap. There are two possibilities. One, the Tascarellas had the gold in stock, but not the copper. Two, they, like a lot of people didn't look at the pictures carefully and assumed they were gold color. Whatever, it's still a great cue, my comment was on the original, and I'm not sure why some panties are in such a twist. Even mine the way Jerry did the rings is a close match, but not exact. The copper material from Classiccues you inserted above is obviously the material that was used in the original, not a gold color. The pictures don't lie.

 

[skins]

Find some examples to help your case... Yes, that's a direct challenge. Good Luck!

This is exactly right, and was my only point. Nobody ever said it wasn't the same type of material. There is a good deal of difference in the color though. Having seen Willie's cue in 1982 in Harrah's in Atlantic City, I can tell you those rings were just as copper as the auction pictures today. The cue was probably only 10 to 15 years old then. Time hasn't changed the color a bit, nor the mother of pearl, nor the rings above the wrap. There are two possibilities. One, the Tascarellas had the gold in stock, but not the copper. Two, they, like a lot of people didn't look at the pictures carefully and assumed they were gold color. Whatever, it's still a great cue, my comment was on the original, and I'm not sure why some panties are in such a twist. Even mine the way Jerry did the rings is a close match, but not exact. The copper material from Classiccues you inserted above is obviously the material that was used in the original, not a gold color. The pictures don't lie.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

Like this?

 

[skins]

Ok I did it for you.....Are these Gold or Copper??... Hard to tell... The bottom Pics are Of a Balabushka and mu Tascarella

 

[phil dade]

color pictures

You can not judge color by a photograph. It does not always translate. This is fact, not fiction, from my 45 years in business paying for national fashion ads for major retailers and ourselves. Ever order a shirt on line and when received the color is off? It just happened to me three times this season. On line the shirts looked great. In person I looked like a neon sign. Metallics can be tricky playing with lighting. I would never make a bet on color from a photo.

 

[skins]

.... I would never make a bet on color from a photo.

Me either... But Id bet the last 2 pics are the same material...

 

[merylane]

Me either... But Id bet the last 2 pics are the same material...

There are two minor discrepencies.... The color being one of them.

I have 11 different colors of the material from georges shop .. Via

Doc frye..... I was told thats why pete didnt have any.

I have a bronze color which is what i thought Mosconi's had when i held it in

My hands.

The stuff that showed up at valley forge is different, whether in formula or just
From batch differences ? I dont know.... But different.

The cue pete made is a magnificent piece and the history of him only adds to
It.

Your prince was always one of my favorites..... Right down to my favorite veneers.








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[skins]

That settles it IMO...Same material different color however it may be, the material itself or batch discrepancies....You are another one who would know also. Thanks J

Thanks for the comments on the cues! I love them both. Pete's attention to detail is phenomenal. You know all about that yourself :wink:

There are two minor discrepencies.... The color being one of them.

I have 11 different colors of the material from georges shop .. Via

Doc frye..... I was told thats why pete didnt have any.

I have a bronze color which is what i thought Mosconi's had when i held it in

My hands.

The stuff that showed up at valley forge is different, whether in formula or just
From batch differences ? I dont know.... But different.

The cue pete made is a magnificent piece and the history of him only adds to
It.

Your prince was always one of my favorites..... Right down to my favorite veneers.








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[WildWing]

I have a bronze color which is what i thought Mosconi's had when i held it in

My hands.

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Thank you for your confirmation, as this was getting pretty tiresome. Your observation is correct, along with that of FlyVirginiaGuy.