You can not hit a 1/2 a ball nor can you hit a ball thick or thinner.

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duckie

GregH
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The use of these terms just show how visual shot making is in pool. It is a fact that there is only one spot on the table to make the OB go where you want regardless of the CB/OB angle.

There is no way to hit 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 or full ball nor can you hit a OB thin or thicker, even though, in your minds eye, you think you can. To do so in your mind means you are visualizing more than using a system.

To imagine two overlapping discs is not a system, but pure visualization.

What the use of these types of terms really does is hide what is really happening when discussing adjustment to a shot. What you may not be realizing is you are using what I call Direction of Travel. This isn't nothing new. I just put this idea into terms that makes sense to me. I'm sure there is something like this out there.

For any adjustments to be made, there has to be a standard for which to base the need for adjustment. That standard is the OB direction of travel.

Referring to the drawing below, you can see that in reality the OB direction of travel starts at the GB contact patch and not at the OB contact patch. The OB contact patch is the pivot point for any changes in the OB direction of travel.

Since the OB direction of travel line end point is never the same, this affects how much adjustment of the GB contact patch needs to be made based on the distance from the OB direction of travel line end point and the OB direction of travel pivot point.

So when using the terms thick or thinner for adjustments, what really is being discussed is the direction of the movement of the GB contact patch along the aiming arc.

You are not in reality hitting the OB thick or thinner, but rotating the GB contact patch around the OB in order to affect the end point of the OB direction of travel. The only time the GB contact patch movement on the aiming arc and the change in the OB direction of travel end point will be the same is when the end point of the OB direction of travel is the same distance from the OB direction of travel pivot as the GB contact patch.

This is why distance the OB is from the pocket affects how much the change is needed of the GB contact patch on the aiming arc to move the OB directional of travel end point to where you want.

Same with saying instead of a 1/4 ball hit, use a 1/2 ball hit or if you change the overlap of flat discs.

This also show that the GB contact patch moves in the opposite direction of the direction of change of the OB direction of travel end point. To move the end point of the direction of travel to the right, means the the GB contact patch must move to the left.

You are not hitting the OB thinner or thicker. You are changing where the CB will hit the OB not how much of the OB you hit. You are not hitting 1/2 of the OB.

Disclaimer: Ramblings of a no name banger that had one cup too many of coffee this morning.
 
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duckie said:
The use of these terms just show how visual shot making is in pool. It is a fact that there is only one spot on the table to make the OB go where you want regardless of the CB/OB angle.

There is no way to hit 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 or full ball nor can you hit a OB thin or thicker, even though, in your minds eye, you think you can. To do so in your mind means you are visualizing more than using a system.

To imagine two overlapping discs is not a system, but pure visualization.

What the use of these types of terms really does is hide what is really happening when discussing adjustment to a shot. What you may not be realizing is you are using what I call Direction of Travel. This isn't nothing new. I just put this idea into terms that makes sense to me. I'm sure there is something like this out there.


For any adjustments to be made, there has to be a standard for which to base the need for adjustment. That standard is the OB direction of travel.

Referring to the drawing below, you can see that in reality the OB direction of travel starts at the GB contact patch and not at the OB contact patch. The OB contact patch is the pivot point for any changes in the OB direction of travel.

Since the OB direction of travel line end point is never the same, this affects how much adjustment of the GB contact patch needs to be made based on the distance from the OB direction of travel line end point and the OB direction of travel pivot point.

So when using the terms thick or thinner for adjustments, what really is being discussed is the direction of the movement of the GB contact patch along the aiming arc.

You are not in reality hitting the OB thick or thinner, but rotating the GB contact patch around the OB in order to affect the end point of the OB direction of travel. The only time the GB contact patch movement on the aiming arc and the change in the OB direction of travel end point will be the same is when the end point of the OB direction of travel is the same distance from the OB direction of travel pivot as the GB contact patch.

This is why distance the OB is from the pocket affects how much the change is needed of the GB contact patch on the aiming arc to move the OB directional of travel end point to where you want.

Same with saying instead of a 1/4 ball hit, use a 1/2 ball hit or if you change the overlap of flat discs.

This also show that the GB contact patch moves in the opposite direction of the direction of change of the OB direction of travel end point. To move the end point of the direction of travel to the right, means the the GB contact patch must move to the left.

You are not hitting the OB thinner or thicker. You are changing where the CB will hit the OB not how much of the OB you hit. You are not hitting 1/2 of the OB.

Disclaimer: Ramblings of a no name banger that had one cup too many of coffee this morning.
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Donald duckie you have know clue what all of us know on this board.If you like to gamble I'll bet you I can hit 3/4 's of the ob and get the same cut as a half ball hit. BET Or I can hit a half ball and get the same cut as a 3/4 hit.
just having fun here, your rite.:rolleyes:
 
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Whew! I thought you were serious for a minute.
 
duckie:
You are not hitting 1/2 of the OB.
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Really? That's what this half-acre post (with complicated diagram!) is about? A semantic nitpick?

pj <- I thought I had too much time on my hands...
chgo

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I'm answering PJ question from the other thread because this post is closer to the subject and this way anyone that wants to take cheap ass pot shots at me that add NOTHING to the thread can do so and not de rail someone's thread.

Not everyone uses those terms. For one Babe Cranfield, at least not in his books. And as I learn pool way back, terms like over and under cut were used mostly.

Just because "everyone" does it, doesn't make it right. I feel to use these terms of thin and thick without the understanding of whats is really happening has is not beneficial to a player in the long term.

Plus, in my aiming world, these terms do not exist. Using the spot on table, I do not concern myself with the OB. The OB only purpose is to provide me a reference for me to pick spot on the table. Once I have that, the OB is no longer used or needed. I just aim for the spot.

A player needs to know what is changing when adjustments are made and not just to hit thin or thicker. Without the background on this, these terms really have little overall value to a person. They make the adjustment but don't know why it works now and not before.

And people wonder why I don't do alot of back and forth, mostly because of assholes that like to take cheap shots for no reason. Classic SDS syndrome. SDS= Small Dick Syndrome.
 
Folks seem to get "over and under cut" mixed up. I do.

"Thick and thin" are more obvious, so I tend to use those terms, especially with newer players.

Does it really matter in the long run, re making balls?

Jeff Livingston
 
PGHteacher said:
Whew! I thought you were serious for a minute.
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I did not catch that. But... that is a problem. Many will not & often do not know when someone is kidding. It's the Orson Wells radio thing. I'm glad you posted early or I'm sure 'arguments' would have ensued. They still might. Or... Mr. Duck might say that he was not kidding & 'we' will be off into a vernacular war.
 
Duckie, I am not good with graphs or grammar for that matter, but what I
do have are very good alignment skills,visual skills(not eyesight) and a run out game. These r all skills that I acquired after 20+ years of a stalemate game. What I am getting ready to tell you is worth 3 balls in your game. When I was lucky enough to meet and receive information from a few forum members. 1st I seen it work , then I took their information and whole heartily worked hard on it for a few months. I didn't ask for science backing their theory's . Hell I had been playing for 20 years..... I could spare a few months disrupting my not so great game. After a few months I had a brand new game and perspective . If I would have waited on the scientific proof I would still be that player I was 3 years ago. If you care about the level of your play you will take what I said to heart. If you just want to be analytical and play your same level , letting it hold you back.... Oh well that's you. Your in the game for a different reason
 
Aiming systems - the end justifies the means

duckie said:
The use of these terms just show how visual shot making is in pool. It is a fact that there is only one spot on the table to make the OB go where you want regardless of the CB/OB angle.

There is no way to hit 1/8, 1/4, 1/2 or full ball nor can you hit a OB thin or thicker, even though, in your minds eye, you think you can. To do so in your mind means you are visualizing more than using a system.

To imagine two overlapping discs is not a system, but pure visualization.

What the use of these types of terms really does is hide what is really happening when discussing adjustment to a shot. What you may not be realizing is you are using what I call Direction of Travel. This isn't nothing new. I just put this idea into terms that makes sense to me. I'm sure there is something like this out there.

For any adjustments to be made, there has to be a standard for which to base the need for adjustment. That standard is the OB direction of travel.

Referring to the drawing below, you can see that in reality the OB direction of travel starts at the GB contact patch and not at the OB contact patch. The OB contact patch is the pivot point for any changes in the OB direction of travel.

Since the OB direction of travel line end point is never the same, this affects how much adjustment of the GB contact patch needs to be made based on the distance from the OB direction of travel line end point and the OB direction of travel pivot point.

So when using the terms thick or thinner for adjustments, what really is being discussed is the direction of the movement of the GB contact patch along the aiming arc.

You are not in reality hitting the OB thick or thinner, but rotating the GB contact patch around the OB in order to affect the end point of the OB direction of travel. The only time the GB contact patch movement on the aiming arc and the change in the OB direction of travel end point will be the same is when the end point of the OB direction of travel is the same distance from the OB direction of travel pivot as the GB contact patch.

This is why distance the OB is from the pocket affects how much the change is needed of the GB contact patch on the aiming arc to move the OB directional of travel end point to where you want.

Same with saying instead of a 1/4 ball hit, use a 1/2 ball hit or if you change the overlap of flat discs.

This also show that the GB contact patch moves in the opposite direction of the direction of change of the OB direction of travel end point. To move the end point of the direction of travel to the right, means the the GB contact patch must move to the left.

You are not hitting the OB thinner or thicker. You are changing where the CB will hit the OB not how much of the OB you hit. You are not hitting 1/2 of the OB.

Disclaimer: Ramblings of a no name banger that had one cup too many of coffee this morning.
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I like your system and it compliments mine VERY WELL....I would suggest promoting your stuff on the new thread....it'll be fun and I won't be any conflict with me....I'm not here to sell "Aiming Systems",,,my points are all about throwing the ball to create a bigger ZONE....how someone aims, in my opinion is a personal choice...Play Well, CJ
 
In This thread:
cjssecrets4u2 said:
I like your system and it compliments mine VERY WELL....I would suggest promoting your stuff on the new thread....it'll be fun and I won't be any conflict with me....I'm not here to sell "Aiming Systems",,,my points are all about throwing the ball to create a bigger ZONE....how someone aims, in my opinion is a personal choice...Play Well, CJ
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In "Contact point on the OB, shift and pivot aiming." thread:
cjssecrets4u2 said:
I like your system and it compliments mine VERY WELL....I would suggest promoting your stuff on the new thread....it'll be fun and I won't be any conflict with me....I'm not here to sell "Aiming Systems",,,my points are all about throwing the ball to create a bigger ZONE....how someone aims, in my opinion is a personal choice...Play Well, CJ
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In "CTE discussion !" thread:
cjssecrets4u2 said:
I like your system and it compliments mine VERY WELL....I would suggest promoting your stuff on the new thread....it'll be fun and I won't be any conflict with me....I'm not here to sell "Aiming Systems",,,my points are all about throwing the ball to create a bigger ZONE....how someone aims, in my opinion is a personal choice...Play Well, CJ
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Busy, busy, busy...

Why do we want all these conversations in one thread, CJ?

pj
chgo
 
Patrick Johnson said:
In This thread:

In "Contact point on the OB, shift and pivot aiming." thread:


In "CTE discussion !" thread:

Busy, busy, busy...

Why do we want all these conversations in one thread, CJ?

pj
chgo
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Pat:

I'm glad someone else noticed that, for I was out of touch these past couple days, and as I was catching up on the happenings here, I found myself shaking my head (to remove the morning cobwebs) and saying to myself, "didn't I just see that exact same post in another thread, and perhaps another one before that?"

Especially the "CTE discussion !" thread -- the OP was merely making a playful taunt (no real information or system offered), yet CJ writes, "I like your system and it compliments mine VERY WELL" -- HUH?!?

-Sean
 
sfleinen said:
Pat:

I'm glad someone else noticed that, for I was out of touch these past couple days, and as I was catching up on the happenings here, I found myself shaking my head (to remove the morning cobwebs) and saying to myself, "didn't I just see that exact same post in another thread, and perhaps another one before that?"

Especially the "CTE discussion !" thread -- the OP was merely making a playful taunt (no real information or system offered), yet CJ writes, "I like your system and it compliments mine VERY WELL" -- HUH?!?

-Sean
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The ways of The Pros are mysterious...

pj <- but He has a Plan for each of us
chgo
 
It's really simple. Fractional hits are from the SHOOTER'S perspective. Set up a shot that would be a half ball hit to make the object ball in the right corner. If you hit the rail to your right then you over cut the ball and hit it thinner than a half ball hit. If you hit the rail to your left then you undercut the ball and hit it thicker than a half ball hit.

Using fractional perception you can shift your body to send the cue ball anywhere from a full ball hit to a very thin hit which would be about 1/8th/1/8th. It is very easy to perceive full, 1/4, 1/2 and 3/4 aiming lines between the cue ball and the object ball. And once you can perceive those then you also can adjust off of those lines, slightly thinner, slightly fuller, etc...

Saying that there is no such thing as a half ball hit is the same thing as saying that there is no such thing as a stop shot. Obviously if there is a stop shot then everything that is NOT a stop shot is equally real and a fraction of a 100% full hit.

The object ball is the target, the cue ball is the projectile. For the same reason that targets have circles to determine accuracy object balls go certain directions based on where the cue ball came in from. Given that the cue ball is stationary and the object ball is stationary there is a very limited amount of space that the shooter has to work with in order to hit the object ball at all. However in that space the shooter can only send the cue ball anywhere from a 100% hit to 1% hit on either side of center.

Everything is from the shooter's point of view since that's the only point of view that matters.
 
duckie said:
I'm answering PJ question from the other thread because this post is closer to the subject and this way anyone that wants to take cheap ass pot shots at me that add NOTHING to the thread can do so and not de rail someone's thread.

Not everyone uses those terms. For one Babe Cranfield, at least not in his books. And as I learn pool way back, terms like over and under cut were used mostly.

Just because "everyone" does it, doesn't make it right. I feel to use these terms of thin and thick without the understanding of whats is really happening has is not beneficial to a player in the long term.

Plus, in my aiming world, these terms do not exist. Using the spot on table, I do not concern myself with the OB. The OB only purpose is to provide me a reference for me to pick spot on the table. Once I have that, the OB is no longer used or needed. I just aim for the spot.

A player needs to know what is changing when adjustments are made and not just to hit thin or thicker. Without the background on this, these terms really have little overall value to a person. They make the adjustment but don't know why it works now and not before.

And people wonder why I don't do alot of back and forth, mostly because of assholes that like to take cheap shots for no reason. Classic SDS syndrome. SDS= Small Dick Syndrome.
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Why is it only people with small penises are said to have a problem? I am tired of people with small appendages getting picked on. I have many friends with small penises.....I guess...based on the size of their cars, houses and yachts... Really can't we keep these discussions going without any bigoted comments about a person's assumed genitalia size?

:-)

As Ralphie May says, the average vagina can only accept about 6-7 inches so have fun with your four inches of dry penis guys with big ones.

I can confidently say that there is no fractional aiming in sex. You had better be aiming for a center to center shot or someone is going to be hurting. A pivot to center is a 100% requirement in that activity.
 
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