Your Break Speed

I agree with the basics of your first post

Andrew,

I do basically agree with what you are saying in your posts. Cueball speed, mass, and the amount of the energy from the cueball that is transferred to the rack determine how hard the break is, not the energy the shooter uses to start the cueball since much of that energy can be wasted in various ways.

My post only pointed out that they weren't always measuring all of the motion or inertia with a radar gun.

You need to commentate for the IPT. One of the things I found hilarious was the idea that Corr's lighter break that was making a ball most of the time was not as good as Archer's harder break that wasn't making any balls and was handing a nice open table over to Corr, effectively setting up her runs. Someone that realizes that hard does not absolutely equate to good and softer to bad when referring to breaks would be a nice change.

Hu

Andrew Manning said:
Certainly there are good breaks and bad breaks, and that's not the same things as hard breaks and soft breaks. There are breaks where a lot of balls go in, and that's not necessarily the same thing as hard breaks. But the poster I was replying to was trying to make a distinction between fast breaks and hard breaks, and given the same balls and the same fullness of hit on the 1, there is no distinction; hard and fast mean exactly the same thing.

-Andrew
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ShootingArts said:
Andrew,

I do basically agree with what you are saying in your posts. Cueball speed, mass, and the amount of the energy from the cueball that is transferred to the rack determine how hard the break is, not the energy the shooter uses to start the cueball since much of that energy can be wasted in various ways.

My post only pointed out that they weren't always measuring all of the motion or inertia with a radar gun.

You need to commentate for the IPT. One of the things I found hilarious was the idea that Corr's lighter break that was making a ball most of the time was not as good as Archer's harder break that wasn't making any balls and was handing a nice open table over to Corr, effectively setting up her runs. Someone that realizes that hard does not absolutely equate to good and softer to bad when referring to breaks would be a nice change.

Hu
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I'm with you and Andrew as well.

There definately is a big difference between a fast break and a good (effective) break. The few times I've clocked my break, I've hit it pretty fast. I've hit a 30.2 at Valley Forge a few years back. The problem is, I can only break around 22-23 MPH and hit the 1 ball accurately to spread the rack and park the CB. Even at 22-23 MPH, I don't park the CB as well as the top players. At full speed, the CB iws all over the place.


Eric
 
24 - 25 mph consistantly...

The Predator booth at the SBE in March had the laser set up to measure break speeds while promoting the BK2. I was hitting 24 - 25 mph consistantly w/ real good cue ball cotrol. The part that was interesting to me was that they had a C cell battery that they were setting up behind the Break Rak. It showed how much of your power was transferred into the rack. Typically the battery was set up 2 - 3 inches behind the Break Rak and if you knocked over the battery you were getting good tansfer of power from the cue ball to the Rak. W/ out me knowing as I was swinging away the gentleman at the booth as he was setting the battery back up for me he kept moving it farther and farther away from the Rak. When I started to not knock over the battery I said "I must be getting tired." That was when he told me he had been moving the battery farther away on each attempt. I'm not sure how far away I ended up from the Rak. But he did say that I was at least 1 inch farther away from the Rak than any one else had been able to topple the battery. Thus transferring alot of power / energy from cue ball to the Rak. I was 4 - 5 mph under the fastest break but near the end of day three I was getting the best transfer w/ the best control.

I'll take that... I saw guys send the cue ball off the table at 19 mph. I saw two guys hit it 27 - 29 mph and not topple the battery in the original position. I would say from what I saw 85% of the attempts were 20 mph or under, 10% were just over 20 mph but had ZERO control, and 5% were over 20 mph w/ medium to excellent control.
 
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Here is a little factoid, if you want a fast smashing break, use a lighter cue. I use about a 16oz for my break stick. Easier to control (for me at least), and a lighter stick accelerates faster. I've never been clocked, but if anyone has the ability readily available break hard, and then drop the weight bold out of your stick. It takes a little bit to get used to the balance transfer, but it also weighs your stick forward a little more (i.e. jump stick).

Chris
 
Break speeds at ACS

My best speed was 24.9 .Mostly around high 23s to mid 24s so im happy.Watched Jessie on many different times break in the 30,31 range and once a 32 if i remember rite. Did this with the cue the booth had .Damn sporty i think.
 
It's George said:
some times a fast break doesn't mean how hard u hit the cue ball but how fast ur arm swings the break cue..
u may have a very fast but low impact break..
on the other hand u may have a average speed but a very powerful impact break..JMO :)
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guys,
what i meant was that how fast ur cue ball travels doesn't equal to how much energy u put in..a more effective transfer of energy with accuracy kind of break would be better than a more powerful but wrong transfer of energy kind of break..
lotsa time u see ppl trying to break as if they're trying to smash the table but their breaks don't look powerful..
apart from this, is there really a difference when u break at 50mph compared to 10mph?the balls still scatter, still pot but maybe the placement for the remaining balls r different?
i will have nothing to say if a faster break assures that more balls will pot..every1 would have a break acceleration like that of the Mustang if that's the case
 
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