Zimbabwe urges sale of stockpile of seized elephant ivory

"Zimbabwe’s estimated 100,000 elephants are double the carrying capacity of its national parks. The overcrowded elephants are destroying the trees and shrubs that are vital for them and other wildlife, say parks officials."

So isn't this the point at which governments OK "population control hunting" to keep the population levels even to the supporting environment?

There is a pretty interesting moral and legal issue here, the ivory is there, it's already taken off the elephants. If it's not used, it's like killing a deer for food then just tossing it instead of using it. If it's used, it shows other people that selling ivory is OK, in some cases, which can lead to more poaching. And if they sell it legally, how are ivory objects going to be controlled now? You'd need hard to forge documents with everything.
 
hang-the-9 said:
"Zimbabwe’s estimated 100,000 elephants are double the carrying capacity of its national parks. The overcrowded elephants are destroying the trees and shrubs that are vital for them and other wildlife, say parks officials."

So isn't this the point at which governments OK "population control hunting" to keep the population levels even to the supporting environment?

There is a pretty interesting moral and legal issue here, the ivory is there, it's already taken off the elephants. If it's not used, it's like killing a deer for food then just tossing it instead of using it. If it's used, it shows other people that selling ivory is OK, in some cases, which can lead to more poaching. And if they sell it legally, how are ivory objects going to be controlled now? You'd need hard to forge documents with everything.
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Awful, just rotten
 
I've always found it interesting how some groups claim elephants are being killed off at an all time high rate .
My take away is those claims are far from the truth .
For instance a elephant hunt in Africa will cost roughly $ 30,000.00 with no guarantee of harvesting one , if you do the majority of it is given to a nearby village a win for them since 1 they didn't have to hunt one down and kill it and a portion of the above mentioned money also goes to the village .
2 the villagers don't have to worry about getting killed while trying to poach a elephant ha ha
Hippos kill more people in Africa than any other animal .
 
hang-the-9 said:
"Zimbabwe’s estimated 100,000 elephants are double the carrying capacity of its national parks. The overcrowded elephants are destroying the trees and shrubs that are vital for them and other wildlife, say parks officials."

So isn't this the point at which governments OK "population control hunting" to keep the population levels even to the supporting environment?

There is a pretty interesting moral and legal issue here, the ivory is there, it's already taken off the elephants. If it's not used, it's like killing a deer for food then just tossing it instead of using it. If it's used, it shows other people that selling ivory is OK, in some cases, which can lead to more poaching. And if they sell it legally, how are ivory objects going to be controlled now? You'd need hard to forge documents with everything.
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If selling tons of the ivory satisfies the market for a long time , then you would have prevented poaching .
Problem is , sales is ivory in many countries are already illegal .
So, who buys them ?
 
JoeyInCali said:
If selling tons of the ivory satisfies the market for a long time , then you would have prevented poaching .
Problem is , sales is ivory in many countries are already illegal .
So, who buys them ?
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Once again, simple supply and demand in effect.

Flood the market with supply, the price goes down as the rarity decreases and the incentive to poach is reduced dramatically.
 
Sell the ivory. Get rid of ivory bans and instead focus on combating the poaching.

Sending something underground to the black market is never the right answer. There are people killing elephants and smuggling ivory. While there are hundreds of thousands of pounds of ivory from already dead animals just laying around.

And elephants do not live forever even if they avoid poachers. Why let the ivory go to waste when it’s one of the special treats of the natural world? People are willing to pay for it and that money can be used to help manage the situation, same as trophy hunting payments.
 
David in FL said:
Once again, simple supply and demand in effect.

Flood the market with supply, the price goes down as the rarity decreases and the incentive to poach is reduced dramatically.
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ivory is not needed. we can make plastic that looks just like ivory. Advocating for countries to legalize ivory is extremely short sighted and cruel. We, as a world, need to be moving the other way. I don`t know about anyone else but I am going to be sorry when the elephants are all gone. This is not simple supply and demand, more like right, wrong and greed.
 
Yes poolbum people kill more than hippos in Africa .

Thunder thighs I'm going to have buttered popcorn and then fall off the wagon and have a Dr Pepper with it ha ha

I agree can the governing body of the African countries with the surplus of ivory and rhino horns be trusted with any money raised by sales of said items , it will depend on who's in office or control if and when the sale occurs and which faction is in power .

Sammy I feel there will be plenty of elephants around longer than you or I will be here to see them .
 
sammylane12 said:
ivory is not needed. we can make plastic that looks just like ivory. Advocating for countries to legalize ivory is extremely short sighted and cruel. We, as a world, need to be moving the other way. I don`t know about anyone else but I am going to be sorry when the elephants are all gone. This is not simple supply and demand, more like right, wrong and greed.
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You realize that elephants die natural deaths, right?

Do you understand why people poach? Because there’s profit in it. There’s profit in it because ivory as a commodity is relatively scarce. Take away that scarcity and the price point for ivory drops dramatically. So does the profit derived from poaching. When you remove most of the incentive to poach, the poaching drops dramatically.
 
David in FL said:
You realize that elephants die natural deaths, right?

Do you understand why people poach? Because there’s profit in it. There’s profit in it because ivory as a commodity is relatively scarce. Take away that scarcity and the price point for ivory drops dramatically. So does the profit derived from poaching. When you remove most of the incentive to poach, the poaching drops dramatically.
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Ive said this for years... have the goverments flood the market with the seized ivory at a way cheaper price. Then have that "official government sold ivory" certified similar to how pre-ban ivory is now in case it is resold later and identifiable from illegally poached ivory.

Then take the money made and help the schools, water, elephant control, or whatever said 3rd world country needs.
 
evergruven said:
that's a lot of ferrules, etc.
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Usually they burn the stockpiles of ivory in Zim. The Parks dept(government) collects loads of ivory and there are wear houses if it all over the place. There’s no shortage of ivory in Zim. I’ve spent lots of time there, have a friend in the safari biz and know lots about ivory.

Most of it is collected from dead elephants they come across, some from illegal poachers(the fun part is it’s legal to shoot ivory poachers) snare poachers you can’t shoot. They are trapping for something to eat. The armed poachers are shooting jumbos and rhino-they need to be shot.

Anyways, that’s all I’m going to write about this topic. Too many emotional people.

Later
Eric<——-loves elephant hunting
 
hang-the-9 said:
"Zimbabwe’s estimated 100,000 elephants are double the carrying capacity of its national parks. The overcrowded elephants are destroying the trees and shrubs that are vital for them and other wildlife, say parks officials."
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If Zimbabwe had the population it had in 1980, here would be plenty of room for the elephants.
 
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