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Cynergy shaft issues

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Bavafongoul said:
If the manufacturer claims tolerances of X but the CF shaft you get exceeds what the manufacturer represents, that would seem to fall under the guise of a warranty issue.
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Where do you see the manufacturer's stated tolerance for their shaft? You nor I know if it's within tolerance as it's not stated unless I missed it somewhere. All I'm saying is that 0.09mm is very small indeed. To the point that it's probably well within the acceptable tolerance of CF. No material is perfect. No mass produced product is perfect. No blank is perfect, be it metal, CF, wood, plastic, glass, etc.

Bavafongoul said:
When the manufacturer says the CF shafts are built not to vary in taper but the shaft does, the manufacturer has an obligation to repair or replace the shaft to the tolerances they stated in writing. If that isn’t a defect under the manufacturer warranty, then what is it other than an oops? All you are doing is making the manufacturer back up what they promised and failed to deliver. Let’s see how others feel because all the shaft CF shaft owner would be doing is insisting the shaft builder fulfill what they stated their product would be dimensionally. I think I’m right but you don’t.
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They say the taper doesn't vary, but in reality when dealing with real world tangible objects there is nothing that is perfect. That's why we have tolerances. They tell us if a product is within spec. Nothing is perfect, but tolerance tells us if it's "close enough" to perfect. They don't state a tolerance, so you nor I can say it's bad or good. Them saying the taper doesn't vary is marketing. If you take a microscope and zoom in 1000x CF will probably look like sandpaper. All those little peaks and valleys are variations in taper. This sounds silly but I'm just taking it to it's logical conclusion. Unless magic is real and they conjured the shaft into being with a 1000 year old wizard and the sacrifice of 10 virgins, no shaft is perfect. Real tangible objects are not perfect.
Bavafongoul said:
Just like Kielwood, maybe you have a bit more to learn and maybe shouldn’t be so quick to judge because the CF shaft being discussed was not built to the manufacturers written specifications how their shafts are built within strict tolerances that the manufacturer failed to do with the shaft in question. That falls within warranty or at least IMO.
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As far as I am aware, the manufacturer did not state their specifications and tolerances, so there's no way you or I could prove if it's good or bad. 0.09mm is minuscule and is most likely within spec.

Could it be made with more precision? Sure. But you're not going to find NASA level precision on a consumer product churned out by the thousands. It's unrealistic. Say for giggles that Predator makes 100 shafts in a day. If they were held to a silly tolerance like +-0.001mm, they could make 5 a day. It could be done, but each shaft may cost $4000. No one would buy them and they would soon go out of business. Would 20 people in the world buy them over a year period? Maybe, but they will make nowhere near as much money as if they produced 100 shafts every day and sold them for $400.

Precision costs big money, both to manufacture and inspect. The consumer pays for that, and they are only willing to pay so much for a given product. This is how everything is manufactured.
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1990s 9-ball McCready vs. Paez

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JAM said:
I posted in this thread last night to address some untruths about Keith, but ended up deleting my comments. I guess that’s part of the thicker skin I’m still working on when it comes to anything about Keith McCready.

On a brighter note, this thread has actually sparked some fuel and food for thought for me on a pool project I’ve been meaning to finish. I hadn’t realized until recently just how different the game was back in the ’70s, during Keith’s prime, compared to today. The rule change with the two-shot/push-out really impacted 9-ball, and Keith always said it completely changed his game. By the ’90s, tournament pool had taken more of a back seat in his life. During that time he worked at Tanya Tucker’s quarter horse ranch, got to know horse trainers, and even matched up with a few celebrities like Red Foxx, Kiefer Sutherland, one of the stars from Mission Impossible, and Willie Nelson, to name a few.

Throughout his career, Keith still notched wins over legends like Alex Pagulayan, Niels Feijen, Larry Hubbard, Kid Delicious, Shane VanBoening, Santos Sambajon, Mike Sigel, Francisco Bustamante, Efren Reyes, Earl Strickland, Buddy Hall, Ronnie Alcano, Kim Davenport, Jose Parica, and others. But pool was never quite the same for him after the changes. As we all know, short races in 9-ball add an element of luck, and the equipment today is worlds apart from the ’70s, with jump cues, break cues, carbon shafts, faster cloth, and different rules.

When I met Keith in the early 2000s, he still had a little “lightning in the jug” and those flashes of brilliance that made him so exciting to watch. It was a thrill for me, though I never saw him in his true prime, which by all accounts was the ’70s, not the ’90s, when his Accu-Stats match with Paez was filmed.

For me, AzBilliards has been such a great resource, packed with history and stories you won’t find anywhere else. While I follow today’s international pool superstars much more closely than Keith does, I’ve also grown to love snooker in recent years.

In the autumn of our lives, we're just trying to stay healthy and enjoy life to the fullest, outside of pool.

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How Common Is This?

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lfigueroa said:
As some (many) know, I'm writing a book and something happen to me this past weekend that I would want to address in said book.

It is something that has happened to me in the past but was particularly dramatic/traumatic this past weekend. I've been playing pretty good, consistent, high level for me, and then this past weekend -- for one session -- my game fell completely and totally off the cliff. Could not see the angles, could not judge CB speed accurately, and my banks went into the toilet, (sigh). My game was a wreck.

So my question is, though I know we all have our ups and down: do you occasionally walk into the PR, get into a game, and without prior warning, have your skills evaporate? Yes, I know they eventually come back. But do you occassionally suffer a fugue state in which it appears you've never played pool before?

Lou Figueroa
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Might mean something or nothing. Years ago I was about to quit. My playing dropped off due to what seemed like a mental problem. At times it was like I could not see any angles and the lights were flickering . I owned a pool room at the time and had been playing the best my life. Running hundreds and beating most anyone I played before this happened.

After seeing doctors and being examined there seemed to be nothing wrong. I won't go into how I discovered what it was but it was diet soda. The artificial sweetener has an effect on some people and I was one of them. After quiting all sodas within a few weeks it was gone and never happened again. I even had had a single car accident from what was like a brain fog.
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