they are not filled with 700 players. but 599 money ones are populated with 650 or 630 players. that were able to keep their rating lower than it should be, by winning only by a game or two or even losing in smaller inconsequential tournaments to them.

all systems are able to be compromised. it is a fact of things. we have to live with that.

and a t.d. can make rules to help with it such as when a stranger enters a money tournament he has to add say 50 points to his rating even if it knocks him out of playing.

Updated to open to a trade for a 12.4 Revo.

GideonF said:

Is there somewhere that shows who the various teams are? The draw just tells me the country.

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Yes

jay helfert said:

You said he was dumb, ignorant and less talented. That speaks to charactor imo.

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Mr. Helfert…….me thinks you inserted your foot in mouth and don’t know how to remove it.

I never wrote that, implied it or referred to his character, intelligence or integrity. You some
how felt it necessary to defend Al & criticize me. That would normally be just routine around
these parts but this time you really are inventing a scenario that never occurred except in
your estimation. Well, usually you get it right on most topics and threads but this time you
missed the mark miserably. Nonetheless, I’ll let others judge your comments and reaction.

Rocket354 said:

Shasha Liu vs Tkach, and Jasmin vs Siming Chen (!!) in rd 1!

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how does that happen? all four are seeded, surely? maybe not siming

also chezka vs zhang is a bit tough. feels like this wouldn't happen in a men's tournament. an oversight probably

Is there somewhere that shows who the various teams are? The draw just tells me the country.

garczar said:

Gaming the system is far easier to say than actually pull off. I agree here. This reminds of an incident in Tulsa where one of the top players and a TD were both banned for trying this. He consistently had bad performances and the TD would just look the other way. Another story, funny as shit actually, was another Tulsa player who took months to knock his FR down for a big event in Florida. This nit went down there and went two-n-out. You can't make this shit up.

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I agree that people try. I know a few. But I have yet to see convincing evidence that 600 and under tournaments are somehow filled with 700-speed players. That seems a very expensive and exhausting way to feel like you've hoodwinked someone.

Coos Cues said:

If you're a 605 ten points is all you need in todays tournament environment.

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And for everyone else?

The post I was responding to said "Fargo is one of the easiest systems to manipulate." How is constantly balancing money in vs out, and losing games convincingly against poor players, and then playing well against good players, all for 10 points, but only for the few people on the cusp of a cutoff, "easy to manipulate?"

Mensabum said:

What can I say. Creature of habit and all that...mostly bad ones.

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Holy Moley, not another one!! Already??
Slow down, play a set with someone, enjoy your special day!


Will Prout

nine_ball6970 said:

It all comes down to the math. Say we both play 100 games vs an established 500 player. I am an established 700. you are unestablished. I win 81-19. You win 79-21. Would you say that you and I play about even?

A 600 would win say 66-34 against the same 500 above. He should also lose 66-34 vs either me or you on average. The math does work well over big enough samples.

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Not in the example of a 599 playing a 599 or less all the time.......I have to disagree.......You get way too many opportunities against the lower rated players....You may get your FARGO to 700 by winning game after game from them selling out..........But I will take the 700 all day that got his FARGO to 700 playing against other 700s.

Kind of a mute point though in reality for AZ........Most likely you are not going to get there that way in AZ .....since they cap quite a few regular tournaments....And the chip tournaments are so heavily favored for the lower rated players.....Once you get over 600...you are pretty much forced to play the big dogs.

Shasha Liu vs Tkach, and Jasmin vs Siming Chen (!!) in rd 1!

Rocket354 said:

Can you explain this?

I get how dropping a few games to low-ranked players can drop your rating a few points. But, usually those games are in tournaments or leagues, so it costs the sandbagger money. Plus, whenever they play their true speed, their rating will rise again.

I'm having a hard time understanding how a sandbagger can consistently keep their rating more than 10-15 points below their true rating.

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If you're a 605 ten points is all you need in todays tournament environment.

JAM said:

We're going to have to give each one a nickname to tell them apart. Some say Big Kaci and Little Kaci, but they're both big.

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I say “Big Kaci” and “Not-Quite-as-Big Kaci”.

JAM said:

Colton Peach, the other junior, posted this. A happy ending? I hope so.

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I might be misinterpreting your post, but the other junior that was at the center of the discussion is Colston Harrelson. I don’t know who this Colton Peach kid is.

jimmyg said:

????

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I just wanna know the number.

Mensabum said:

Thanks Jeff!!!
Did you get my new #??

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No never got your new cell number. PM me it need to talk soon