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maha · Mar 24, 2026

looks great and likely will play well with big pockets for your home. nice wood and 6 legs is the ticket to quality for older tables.
might have been worked on in the past. so who cares.
i would put a grand into it getting it set up if needed.

unless you are one of those that has to have tight pockets and super fast cloth to test your self. then go get a diamond.

Black-Balled · Mar 24, 2026

garczar said:
WTF. This whole shitshow started with a 'NINE BALL' pushout but now you're talking about 8ball. What rules are u looking at btw? WPA rule 3.3 has nothing to do here.

loggerhead12 · Mar 24, 2026

SBC said:
Break closer to center ....start 1 diamond in from side rail. Alter where you contact the 1.

^^^^^^ This.

And you'll have to adjust a little on each table to zero in the spot to place the cue ball.

iusedtoberich · Mar 24, 2026

ddeuce said:
I tried it today on my table without the magic rack and I'm much less likely to make the wing ball. I'm racking it pretty tight. I don't see any gaps, but there definitely seems to be a difference. We'll see. I'll keep trying it with and without. I'll probably take the magic rack and try it on the 7ft table too.

Magic rack vs triangle rack is a world of difference. Its the whole reason the pro game came up with a bunch of goofy break rules the past 15 years, because it was too easy to make the corner ball on the break.

terryhanna · Mar 24, 2026

jax_joe said:
Have an early list yet for those signed up in the 1P?

maha · Mar 24, 2026

all tables are different as to what they do on the break. you have to watch and learn rather than hit hard and turn around.
most tables the wing ball does not go. if it did all the time the rules would change again.

Bob Jewett · Mar 24, 2026

BasementDweller said:
I love watching and listening to the old matches, but they were all over the place on the science stuff. In fairness, most of them had a working knowledge of what was going on. ...

For deflection/squirt, there was no good theory until about 2000. By good, I mean able to make useful predictions and explanations of the underlying mechanics. People, including me, were just guessing.

Deflection and back-hand compensation were known before 1840.

maha · Mar 24, 2026

you could shoot it in as trying to get it close or maybe in the jaws.

so then its is ball in hand if under those rules, or the opponent could give it back to you as ball in hand.

Jerry R · Mar 24, 2026

About 8-10 years ago I bought a signed shaft that Earl used back in the day from Diane Hoppe. When I first looked at it, I was pretty amazed because it looked like it'd been through hell. Best I could tell is it had been sanded down a LOT in an attempt to re-taper it.
Fall of 2020 SVB had a little Pro-Am event in Tea, SD. He got Earl, Billy and Corey to come to it. I sat with Earl for over an hour between rounds and at one point I asked him about the shaft. He laughed a little and said those shafts were almost "unplayable". He used to sit in his hotel room with sandpaper and work them over for hours. He sanded through to the wood on most of the one I have., but it's mostly on one side of the shaft. I don't know if the coating was uneven or he was just that far off on the sanding. Who knows, maybe this is the shaft from that video and he was rotating to one side, so he didn't get splinters in his bridge hand....lol

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