No one knows what Yapp was thinking in the moment except Yapp himself (sometimes I am not even sure what I am thinking on such close shots).
In any case, Cornerman told us what Yapp said about why he reacted as he did. Sounds plausible to me. Cornerman's explanation also sounds plausible to me.
Hard for me to believe Yapp is lying.
Raises the question: Should refs based calls on physics. Marcel has done that, with some controversial results.
I am fine with humans making the call, even if it means some mistakes.
People can convince themselves of anything and not necessarily be lying. Just be at the scene of an accident. A guy runs a red light and eight people witness it and he says he didn't.
In baseball we now have the instant replay and umpires get overruled. I remember years ago before instant replays, seeing an umpire on the Johnny Carson show. Carson asked him did you ever make a wrong call? His answer was no. Once i makes the call that's what it is.
I also prefer the human element in pool. I like the idea of just racking the balls not using a template. There needs to be a certain randomness to the game. We don't need it to turn into a video game.
As far as Yapp, he didn't need the referee to tell him if it was good or not, he is in the best position to know. His immediate reaction is that of somebody who knows they just screwed up, then turns to the referee hoping he gets a favorable call.
The referee was actually in probably the wrong position to make the call. She should have been on that other side of the table right over the shot, not standing behind him.
It was just too much at stake both money and title to have been so casual about it. I don't think there was a camera on her when she acknowledged the call. I would like that a chance to see her and read her body language.
But now he won again with a foul in the final rack.
I don't know whats up with Yapp and winning the final rack on a foul, however this one isn't his fault - he knew its a foul, he waited for the ref to call it, the ref was just so bad that she didn't know how to distinguish a foul/good shot in pocket billiards when balls are close, just like that other referee dude I forgot his name where he squints too hard to try & see which ball is hit first, thats not how to determine a foul in pool...EVER
The way to tell if its a foul or not is by the cueball reaction, very very very simple. You don't need to squint, you dont need to see both balls and eye-ball it to see which was hit first. It is very easy if you have pool knowledge, just look at the cueball and from a mile away you can see if its a foul or not (That goes for any two closely balls, or also a ball & rail very closely together) check the cueball reaction and you would know.
In a million years if he hit the 8ball first the cueball would NEVER follow the 8ball in its direction, literally you can see the whity going after the 8ball which indicates he hit the pueple first, if you hit the 8ball first then the purple 2nd then the cueball would react differently either going in between both balls (direction wise) or following the purple in its direction.
No need to zoom in, no need to squint, and for viewers with no knowledge about pool please dont try to zoom in, thats not how you determine this.
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(I don't know if i stamped it correctly, its the last shot of the match).
P.S. I love Yapp please don't get me wrong. Grats to him for winning the tournament, very well deserved, this time it's the ref fault. I know i mentioned this but look at his face when the 8ball was going to the pocket, he was waiting for the foul call he stared at the ref....also FSR knew its a fault but he's such a gentelmen and followed by what the ref called & went on with it as the crowd kept cheering, he didn't want to ruin the moment for Yapp, FSR is such a nice guy.
Pretty sure he retired from cue making. I sold the two I had. Not knocking, but that cue doesn’t look like a 1600 one. Don’t get me wrong, it is a nice butterfly cue. One of mine was a butterfly with some nice burl. Not 1600. I actually don’t remember what I sold mine for but the two together were well short of 1600. Good cues but I don’t think the market is huge. Maybe with him not making them the value will go up. I dunno. I would probably keep it. And look for a chance to play billiards with it.
Not sure slo mo is relevant. Refs and players seldom have the advantage of slo mo in most pool matches. Not sure whether Predator even had instant replay available, as MR sometimes does on its TV table. Even then, the camera might not be at the right angle.
Unless pool becomes big, and Eagle Eye type technology is used, pool will never have the same advantage of instant replay or some such as other sports do.
I agree slow mo shouldn't be used in games. Where the balls go is enough. And if it's too close to call, don't call a damn thing. I just mentioned the slow mo cuz cornerman said he wasn't so sure anymore it was a bad hit. It was.
Unfortunately my Mother and Step Father separated shortly before both passed within a week of each other, The cue was left with a direct family member of his. I tried to tell them the value of 5-6 cues that they inherited, pre date SW, the Bludworth and the Gus in the picture along with 3-4 $1K to $1.5K cues. The other cues were mine when the pic was taken, given the specific cues in the picture someone not somewhat educated in cues would likely assume the Gus and the plain SW were the least valuable of the bunch, and his other cues that they received were fancier. I tried to tell them which were worth what and offered to purchase them. The Bludworth is actually my cue that I offered to purchase from them. I think they thought I was trying to rob them or something. This was 4-5 years ago my offer was $8000 Gus, $2500 for the SW, $600 for my Bludworth and another cue I don't remember who made it, but it was nice $1500. The step father and I were the only in the family that even played pool and we shared a decent cue collection 50ish custom cues he helped me with a little company I had in the 90's (Colby Cues). Both sold off our collection for the most part but I doubt that I will ever see his cues again. It's a shame but someone might find a good deal on some nice cues or they might pop up in a yard sale. So enough of my personal rant. I guess this is a good example of where "you wouldn't believe what I got for $300" stories can come from. I felt at the time that my offer was very gracious, cues have jumped recently in price quite a bit but 5 years ago I thought the offer was more than fair and bare in mind I was a dealer for years I seldom ever pay retail for a cue but the customs are a little different.
Sorry I lost my mind and rambled along, I agree I wouldn't ship it anywhere, if it were mine. Truth is if it was mine. I would be playing with it. That would be fitting for the cue given the relationship he and I had for 40 years.
I'd have to go with Kim Davenport too. Can't believe he didn't have a major. Stroke like a wild bronco tho.
A player I loved to watch play that never won anything big was Larry Nevel. He had a top tier stroke, just didn't have the full game to match it yet before his untimely passing. One of the best strokes ever imo.
Unfortunately my Mother and Step Father separated shortly before both passed within a week of each other, The cue was left with a direct family member of his. I tried to tell them the value of 5-6 cues that they inherited, pre date SW, the Bludworth and the Gus in the picture along with 3-4 $1K to $1.5K cues. The other cues were mine when the pic was taken, given the specific cues in the picture someone not somewhat educated in cues would likely assume the Gus and the plain SW were the least valuable of the bunch, and his other cues that they received were fancier. I tried to tell them which were worth what and offered to purchase them. The Bludworth is actually my cue that I offered to purchase from them. I think they thought I was trying to rob them or something. This was 4-5 years ago my offer was $8000 Gus, $2500 for the SW, $600 for my Bludworth and another cue I don't remember who made it, but it was nice $1500. The step father and I were the only in the family that even played pool and we shared a decent cue collection 50ish custom cues he helped me with a little company I had in the 90's (Colby Cues). Both sold off our collection for the most part but I doubt that I will ever see his cues again. It's a shame but someone might find a good deal on some nice cues or they might pop up in a yard sale. So enough of my personal rant. I guess this is a good example of where "you wouldn't believe what I got for $300" stories can come from. I felt at the time that my offer was very gracious, cues have jumped recently in price quite a bit but 5 years ago I thought the offer was more than fair and bare in mind I was a dealer for years I seldom ever pay retail for a cue but the customs are a little different.
Not sure slo mo is relevant. Refs and players seldom have the advantage of slo mo in most pool matches. Not sure whether Predator even had instant replay available, as MR sometimes does on its TV table. Even then, the camera might not be at the right angle.
Unless pool becomes big, and Eagle Eye type technology is used, pool will never have the same advantage of instant replay or some such as other sports do.
