jay helfert said:

That spot was Daisy Mae's, the best bar table action joint of all time! One time "Navy Gary" Serville and I got Charlie stuck bad giving him the Eight Ball, for a couple of thousand. He put up the title to his Chevy II against $400 and Gary beat him again. When the bartender went to hand the title to me, Charlie grabbed it out of his hands. He demanded we play one more set for the same title. I said no deal and he starting acting crazy, picking up a bar table waist high with one hand. I was damn scared and even though I had my little .25 on me I knew it wouldn't help me or stop him. Gary said okay, he'll play him again, but only once more. He took me aside and told me to start my car and pull around the front and honk my horn once. I waited until they had put their cues back together and flipped for the first break, and slipped out the back door to my car. I pulled my Vette around close to the front door and honked once. Gary came running out cue in hand. He jumped in and said Let's Go! I squealed out of there and saw Charlie come running outside with a couple of other guys in my rear view mirror. They had no chance to catch us, and didn't even try. The next time I saw Charlie was months later at Hard Times in Costa Mesa. He didn't say a word to me, as if it had never happened.

We got away with the money that time. The crazy thing is that a week or so later Gary calls me and asks if I want to go back and gamble with Charlie again. I said no thanks. So Gary takes some other guys with him and goes back and beats Charlie out of even more money. This time there was no fight or threats of violence. I think one of the guys with Gary was a real tush hog and killer! Like Island Drive says above those were wild times for all of us. It was all about the action, and taking a risk was just part of the deal. My biggest score ever in a bar was when I played the President of a local Biker gang and beat him out of a few thousand plus his Harley. This was a guy who was probably the most dangerous man in all of Santa Barbara County. And I got paid in full ($1,000) to get back the title to his Harley. A couple of weeks later that same guy was on the front page of the Santa Barbara News Press in the biggest drug bust ever in that area. They found tens of thousands in drugs and a Thompson sub machinegun! There is more to this story but you'll have to read about it in Pool Wars.

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jimmyg said:

While he and his buddies feast on filet mignon, caviar, and champagne...Fkn hypocrites are all the same.

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APA Operator said:

It is 100% about media, image, and protecting the brand (think Cleveland Indians). It is 0% about some adult in a bar being offended. A single off-color name can cost you customers and sponsors, so the rules are a bit strict. Stricter at the national level than at the local level, because that's where big sponsors come from. APA allows each individual LO to be as loose or as strict as they want. I've ratcheted it down in my area quite a bit in the rise of social media, but it started when the newspapers would no longer publish my standings (yes, we used to get the standings published weekly) because of some of the team names. Another big concern is how the team name sounds when read aloud, not whether one "gets it" when reading the name somewhere. It has become a game of seeing what you can get away with, without consideration for what "getting away with" it just once might cost the organization.

The list is long and grows every year, and not every rejected name is on the list. It can't possibly be all-inclusive, a point that confuses teams every year ("it's not on the list, so it should be ok, right?").

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