New jump rule??
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I wouldn't be unhappy if they completely outlawed jumping all together. Never happen obviously, but still.
dave sutton
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allen is old school. its funny to even see him jump. i know he hates it but the game has evolved. change or get out. i know old school pros that refuse to own a jump cue
making this rule would be like saying you can never draw the ball
making this rule would be like saying you can never draw the ball
I played Hopkins when climbing on the table was the norm, I bet not many remember that. Hopkins would be on his knees in the middle of the table. He seemed to love it. As far as jumping, how would you determine what is a hook? Often you just jump half a ball but are not really completely hooked.. It would be a source of constant argument.
My thoughts exactly. I wouldn't think Allens rule request would ever fly. So where would it end. If you miss position and leave a jump that would also be leaving a kick. Both are difficult in there own way.
I rarely play games that require a jump shot, other than an occasional game of Chicago, but to me, if jumping is allowed, then you should be able to do it anytime. Accurate jumping can be tricky enough without being penalized for getting a little out of po.
Just my $0.02
Just my $0.02
Just because Allen Hopkins would like rules to be one way does not mean he's right, just that it's his opinion.
He's probably in favor of that rule because he thinks it will help himself.
I disagree with him, and so do many others.
Jump cues are here to stay, hopefully.
Flex
Mac, I not sure I get this. Why would adopting Hopkins suggestion be a constant source for arguments?
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Oh, I see. It's about forcing someone to shoot in a way which diminishes their chances of making contact with the object ball. Sounds like a rule to punish someone who got a bad roll on one of their shots.
I don't like it.
I'm all for kicking, and usually prefer it to jumping. But there are circumstances where the jump is definitely the superior choice.
Flex
I see no problem with this rule, but like someone else said, where would you draw the line on what is consider'd a hook or not.
Now as for me, I learned to kick at balls because when I was starting up pool, i didnt own a jumpcue and even when i did, it was like watching a monkey trying to play pool lol.
So i put away the jump cue and just learned how to kick at a ball when hooked.
Now as for me, I learned to kick at balls because when I was starting up pool, i didnt own a jumpcue and even when i did, it was like watching a monkey trying to play pool lol.
So i put away the jump cue and just learned how to kick at a ball when hooked.
The guy says you are hooked and can not jump. You say you can see half the ball but would rather jump and make a full ball hit and can jump. Everybody would have an opinion on what constitutes "Hooked".
I guess I'm not seeing the problem with having to draw a line about what is and what is not a hook.
It seems to me the issue would only come up when the shooter wants to execute a jump shot during the course of his own run, since he would be allowed to jump on a leave from an opponent.
I saw the telecast in which Hopkins made that comment and really his statement includes a pretty valid assumption that a player would only wish to execute a jump shot if he is hooked. This, I suppose could be partially or fully hooked. But in any event there really does not need to be an issue as to whether an opponent is "hooked" or not. I'm sure Hopkins would say just make the rule that a player cannot execute a jump shot during the course of his own run, period. No arguments and no debates over whether a "hook" exists. I don't think I've yet seen a situation where a player chose a jump shot when he had full access to the object ball. I wouldn't be surprised if it's ever happened, but come on, it would be very rare.
It seems to me the issue would only come up when the shooter wants to execute a jump shot during the course of his own run, since he would be allowed to jump on a leave from an opponent.
I saw the telecast in which Hopkins made that comment and really his statement includes a pretty valid assumption that a player would only wish to execute a jump shot if he is hooked. This, I suppose could be partially or fully hooked. But in any event there really does not need to be an issue as to whether an opponent is "hooked" or not. I'm sure Hopkins would say just make the rule that a player cannot execute a jump shot during the course of his own run, period. No arguments and no debates over whether a "hook" exists. I don't think I've yet seen a situation where a player chose a jump shot when he had full access to the object ball. I wouldn't be surprised if it's ever happened, but come on, it would be very rare.
The DCC only allows jumping with your playing cue. That tournament does okay.
I believe I've seen a DCC 1 pocket match where Shawn Putnam pulls out his jump cue.