Has any one else improved their draw stroke by SHORTENING up the back hand grip. I had suddenly lost my stroke after stopping playing for a while and found after shortening up not only was my stroke much more consistent and powerful but I was playing out of my mind.
Draw stroke
- Thread starter erikido
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Probably should go to the instructors for this but.
Its been my experience and was taught to choke up for extreme spin. The problem I see is that to draw the full length of the table you need to have more power than what you can get choked up. If you try to generate enough power choked up you'll probably have other problems pop up. I use it sparingly only on light delicate spin shots.
I'd guess you're having a problem contacting the CB where you think its hitting and work on those drills, but keep the choke in your arsenal.
Its been my experience and was taught to choke up for extreme spin. The problem I see is that to draw the full length of the table you need to have more power than what you can get choked up. If you try to generate enough power choked up you'll probably have other problems pop up. I use it sparingly only on light delicate spin shots.
I'd guess you're having a problem contacting the CB where you think its hitting and work on those drills, but keep the choke in your arsenal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_plsd-1TNNw
Here's a good daw stroke
Here's a good daw stroke
I would lean against choking up on the cue when you're drawing long or drawing hard, and here's why. If all you're doing is choking up on the cue, not changing your bridge length or anything, you'll probably have your hand further up on the cue without any other adjustment. And that will make your forearm non-perpendicular to the floor. When you follow thru to the cue ball, you'll already be past perpendicular. Then you have to worry about your cue tip coming up because of this.
Depends on what you mean by choking up on the cue. If the result is shortening the length of your bridge, then it's worth trying. A shorter bridge will allow you to control your power better.
If on the other hand you mean, bringing your hand past 90 degrees from your elbow, then no.
If on the other hand you mean, bringing your hand past 90 degrees from your elbow, then no.
It may be that you just corrected a flaw that was there all along. It's not that you are now using a "short" back hand grip, it's that you had it too long before and now it's "normal" (which is different for everyone).
I will have to get in front of the table to be sure but I don't think I alter that hand at all for draw... it should be just another shot and need no special preparation except maybe a little more mental focus on making sure the tip hits where you want.
I will have to get in front of the table to be sure but I don't think I alter that hand at all for draw... it should be just another shot and need no special preparation except maybe a little more mental focus on making sure the tip hits where you want.
Moving your grip hand forward makes the tip move downward sooner so you hit lower on the cue ball. It probably means you weren't hitting where you intended to before.
pj
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pj
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Cameron,
Try it out. I just hit several balls center left and right I get a full 1/2 diamond more spread on the short rail. Hitting down the length with draw and the OB in the center and the CB a diamond away I get nearly a diamond further on the rebound off the short. All shots are at sub moderate speed and 3C table.
Maybe something else going on that I can't see?
Try it out. I just hit several balls center left and right I get a full 1/2 diamond more spread on the short rail. Hitting down the length with draw and the OB in the center and the CB a diamond away I get nearly a diamond further on the rebound off the short. All shots are at sub moderate speed and 3C table.
Maybe something else going on that I can't see?
More grist for the mill - from Mike Page Fargo Billiards
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqqakiKbhHI&feature=channel_page
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqqakiKbhHI&feature=channel_page
Interesting, I had not thought about that. I initially thought it had something to do with a previous flaw in my stroke as previously stated. And to clarify I was not stating that I only did this on the draw shot. Just that doing it helped out in my draw stroke as well. Again, I thought it had more to do with having more control over my power than anything.
Not necessarily. You can choke way up on the cue and still have your shooting forearm perpendicular to the ground when you are at the cue ball. It's simply a matter of adjusting the length of your bridge arm by bending it more (if you don't want to adjust bridge length) or adjusting your bridge length.
I find that shortening up the bridge hand by a couple inches makes it significantly easier to draw. Just my results.
That's true, and then it would either:
1. make no difference
or
2. shorten your backswing (if you shorten your bridge so it's less than your previous backswing). Shortening your backswing could help you hit the CB more accurately, which could help you get better draw.
To see what's what, I suggest shortening the backswing without moving the grip hand (it isn't necessary) to see if you get the same improvement.
pj
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After admittedly limited experimentation, I've found that moving my grip hand back on the cue yields more draw distance. The cueball is struck before the elbow reaches the 90-degree position. There's some theoretical justification for why this might be true.
If the angle at which the arm passes from acceleration to deceleration occurs at about 90 degrees, then as you indicate, choking up while at the same time keeping the bridge length fixed is probably the worst thing you can do.
Jim
Maybe it's my imagination or maybe there's something else going on like I said. I believe that I'm pretty proficient at hitting the CB where I intend. I'm very accurate at clocking the CB playing 3 Cushion and use the clock extensively.
The Mike Page lecture mentions cue speed and how low the CB is actually hit. If Mike is absolutely correct and I have no reason for doubt. The flaw in my theory must be higher cue speed without feeling it.
May just have to my own keep my wives stales to myself. Wish I bring the National 3C Champ back that taught me this and talk about it again.
The Mike Page lecture mentions cue speed and how low the CB is actually hit. If Mike is absolutely correct and I have no reason for doubt. The flaw in my theory must be higher cue speed without feeling it.
May just have to my own keep my wives stales to myself. Wish I bring the National 3C Champ back that taught me this and talk about it again.
The only difference is you are holding the cue closer to its balance point. Some people feel like that gives them more control.