Can you transfer side spin to an OB?
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I'm talking about shots that go straight into a rail
Like 90 degrees.
Lou Figueroa
Just like my video in the original post.:thumbup:
OK, I get it. You and the udder guy are just trolling.
Have fun.
Lou Figueroa
has seen
this act
before
OK my verbage is wrong. I can only see putting actual top or bottom on an OB for a very short period of time.
Running english to me would be inside or expanding the angles off the rail.
In the video it looks to me like the ball is traveling into the rail with an angle to come inside the actual rebound angle. I dont believe TOP would cause the rebound angle
no that is not true I am attempting to correlate what I know with Dr Dave's video evidence.
and I have done so to my own satisfaction.
if no one else gets that it's fine by me..
How can you still believe this after seeing all of the visual evidence and shot examples provided? I assume you are not joking, but I am beginning to wonder. If you really still believe the CB cannot transfer spin to an OB, please look at (completely, and with an open mind) all of the videos and other resources linked here:
I recently improved the document to include more links and some of the good posts provided by others. If you or others still don't believe the CB can transfer spin to the OB after viewing all of these resources, then I think we should just leave the poor dead beaten horse for the flies.
Please
Dave
Dr Dave,
I'm surprised that you disagree with my conclusions I put in significant time and testing here..
it all seems very reasonable to me.
I learned quite a bit from this exercise..
softshot:I'm talking about shots that go straight into a rail
Like 90 degrees.
Lou Figueroa
Just like my video in the original post.
No, not like that at all. I could see that those shots didn't go straight into the rail, and even if they did there's no way with that shot setup to be sure that they did, so it's worthless as a "test" or "demonstration" - it didn't test or demonstrate anything.
What your video demonstrates is that you don't know good evidence from bad. Some of the shots diagrammed in this thread and some of the videos shown in this thread are good evidence, but you don't seem to know which ones they are.
pj
chgo
There is no arguing with the the unintelligent, or with trolls. The unintelligent simply don't have the mental capacity to see reason and facts. The trolls simply don't want to. I am not completely sure which of the two we have here, but for whatever their own personal reasons if they still don't get it after all of the irrefutable evidence that has been offered, there's nothing more you can do and I agree with some others in that it's time leave them to their own ignorance and misconceptions...
Surprising (and depressing) as it may be, I believe they're sincere. Of course, once they realize how loudly wrong they've been they might claim they were trolling...
pj
chgo
Not when the ball goes into the rail at 90 degrees.
This is simply wrong. In fact, you need either a little running english or a little follow to achieve equal in equal out.
I'm afraid you're up to your neck in a subject that you only know a little about.
No, you obviously don't.
pj
chgo
what is depressing..is you (and many others) are not even attempting to grasp what I am trying to communicate. you are just trying to win an argument.
assuming you already know is the biggest obstacle to learning.
I know this because I was guilty of it myself in the past. the last time this argument came up I was on your side..
But I LEARNED more about the subject and altered my position.
It appears that YOUR ego can't stand to lose an argument.. so you argue instead of learn ( Learn; incorporating new knowledge with what you already know to gain a greater understanding)
This is not the only thread or only subject where your ego precludes your ability to gain new knowledge
Winning the argument doesn't make you right.
What you're trying to communicate isn't rocket surgery, dude. It's just wrong. Get over yourself.
pj
chgo
I think the definitions of "throw" and "spin transfer" are quite clear (e.g., see my online glossary). At times, you have suggested that a CB cannot transfer spin to the OB. I hope you now realize that it can. Then you seem to suggest that the transferred spin doesn't last long enough to make any difference in a real shot. Well, the many shot examples linked and shown here prove otherwise. It turns out that sidespin is quite persistent and wears off very slowly. Even a small amount of sidespin can persist across a table, especially for faster shots.
I'm glad you have learned from this "exercise." I hope your learning continues.
Regards,
Dave
I am not saying that no spin is transferred..
I am saying that you cannot transfer enough spin to create continuing persistent side spin on an Object Ball that will linger as SIDE spin for any significant distance.
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Thank you for making this clear. I don't think this was totally clear earlier.
This is not correct. The many examples and videos here prove otherwise.
Regards,
Dave
PS: I don't think I can add anything else to this discussion, so I won't. I hope you don't take this the wrong way.
Are you saying that you can hit the cue ball dead center into the object ball's dead center and using only follow or draw you can make the object ball's rebound angle change from dead straight?
I'd like to learn how this is done. Please post a video of this.
I don't (and I don't think others do) continue to disagree with them just to bust their chops - I do it for other readers who may not know the right answer and can be swayed by the loud insistence of those who don't know what they don't know.
Many people read this forum (many more than post here) trying to learn about pool. AzB is virtually the only place of its kind now, and it can be a great resource for everybody interested in pool, but it's only as good as what's posted here. I'll keep trying to discourage the careless spreading of misinformation, even if it means discouraging some from posting at all. If this becomes just another chat room we've squandered an opportunity.
pj
chgo
I really don't see what you are trying to prove with this thread. If I can hit a cross corner bank in one pocket by hitting the object ball off center with spin....JIMMY -CRACK- CORN
I didn't say that at all
You can use side spin to THROW the OB on an angular course to the rail
and whatever spin you can transfer to the OB becomes follow almost instantly under nearly all conditions...
I think that Throw is greatly underestimated and not nearly as well understood as many would lead you to believe...
but regardless.. I'm done trying to explain my point..the people who get it... get it..