Rail Rubber

[mr8ball]

If you had a table and it had K 55 rubber on it and you changed it all over to K 66 would it hurt anything? How would the table play, Better or worse? Last one, What is the going price to change the rail rubber and cover them and put it back together? Not covering the table just the rails. Thanks in advance,

 

[Dartman]

If you had a table and it had K 55 rubber on it and you changed it all over to K 66 would it hurt anything? How would the table play, Better or worse? Last one, What is the going price to change the rail rubber and cover them and put it back together? Not covering the table just the rails. Thanks in advance,

You'll effectively change the cushion nose height and the playfield dimensions at the same time.
Not recommended.

The going rate is a lot for labor plus the cost of cushions, facings and a rail cloth set.

 

[PoolTable911]

If you had a table and it had K 55 rubber on it and you changed it all over to K 66 would it hurt anything? How would the table play, Better or worse? Last one, What is the going price to change the rail rubber and cover them and put it back together? Not covering the table just the rails. Thanks in advance,

It will effect the table in a couple of ways. The nose height will be incorrect and the inside playing dimension will no longer be 50" x 100" but 50 1/4" x 100 1/4".

 

[mr8ball]

You'll effectively change the cushion nose height and the playfield dimensions at the same time.
Not recommended.

The going rate is a lot for labor plus the cost of cushions, facings and a rail cloth set.

What is the going labor rate for doing this? I have the cost of supplies. Thanks again

 

[Donny Wessels]

why do you want this done? the proper way the to do a job like this is to add wood the the bevel part of the subrail and change the angle and compensate to the playing field. This is too advanced for me, but Glen Hancock or Mark Gregory would be guys to call for this. Guessing $750 labor

 

[Dartman]

What is the going labor rate for doing this? I have the cost of supplies. Thanks again

You should contact Ernesto - I recall from this forum that doing the 55 to 66 switch is one of his specialties.
Glen could give you more details on that thread.

I'd guess most of the experienced mechs here are curious to why you'd want to do this and most wouldn't
touch the job. Maybe you could enlighten us.

 

[mr8ball]

I have been doing tables for about 15 years now. Mostly beds and rails covering. I have set up a few from scratch. I have only replaced the rubber a few times with no problems. I was just checking to see if I was in line with my pricing on this job. (250 labor) All of the rubber on 2 of the tables I am doing has gotten real hard and the ball will not come off like they are suppose to. I ordered the rubber (K55) and it came in wrong and it just got me to thinking about what would happen if I had changed it from K 55 to K66. Can anyone tell me what makes the rubber go bad? I have done tables and went back to do it again and find that the rubber is all of a sudden got as hard as a brick. What will cause this? I can always learn new things only if i ask right. Thanks for all the advice.

 

[realkingcobra]

I have been doing tables for about 15 years now. Mostly beds and rails covering. I have set up a few from scratch. I have only replaced the rubber a few times with no problems. I was just checking to see if I was in line with my pricing on this job. (250 labor) All of the rubber on 2 of the tables I am doing has gotten real hard and the ball will not come off like they are suppose to. I ordered the rubber (K55) and it came in wrong and it just got me to thinking about what would happen if I had changed it from K 55 to K66. Can anyone tell me what makes the rubber go bad? I have done tables and went back to do it again and find that the rubber is all of a sudden got as hard as a brick. What will cause this? I can always learn new things only if i ask right. Thanks for all the advice.

With out doing a sub-rail modifacation the K66 cushions on a K55 profile sub-rail is going to put the nose of the cushions at 1 9/16" which is going to make the rails play dead. So it was wrong of who ever sent you the cushions in the first place, but it would be wrong again to take them same cushions and install them on rails designed for K55 cushions, so...2 wrongs won't make it right...not even for $250.00

Glen

 

[mr8ball]

With out doing a sub-rail modifacation the K66 cushions on a K55 profile sub-rail is going to put the nose of the cushions at 1 9/16" which is going to make the rails play dead. So it was wrong of who ever sent you the cushions in the first place, but it would be wrong again to take them same cushions and install them on rails designed for K55 cushions, so...2 wrongs won't make it right...not even for $250.00

Glen

This is true, I have the right rubber coming and i knew it would have to mess up things. I was just checking to see if anyone had ever done this. I knew someone on here would know. What kind of glue do you guys use for this? Thanks again for all the advice

 

[Dartman]

I have been doing tables for about 15 years now. Mostly beds and rails covering. I have set up a few from scratch. I have only replaced the rubber a few times with no problems. I was just checking to see if I was in line with my pricing on this job. (250 labor) All of the rubber on 2 of the tables I am doing has gotten real hard and the ball will not come off like they are suppose to. I ordered the rubber (K55) and it came in wrong and it just got me to thinking about what would happen if I had changed it from K 55 to K66. Can anyone tell me what makes the rubber go bad? I have done tables and went back to do it again and find that the rubber is all of a sudden got as hard as a brick. What will cause this? I can always learn new things only if i ask right. Thanks for all the advice.

You should have returned the cushions for the correct profile and not considered using them at all..
Don't know where you got them but there are a lot of cheapass cushions on the market which is part of the "go bad" problem.

You want to use 3M-10 Scotchgrip which is the preferred contact adhesive for cushion work.