I have to agree.
On a side note - I have always been super curious what the inside of a BK2 looks like.
BVal
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On a side note - I have always been super curious what the inside of a BK2 looks like.
BVal
If he busts the bk2 into pieces and posts the pics as a sacrifice to the BCAPL, I'll FedEx him my break cue. My break cue is an under-the-radar custom... a production modded-up with a special joint and tip. Well, he can tear off the phenolic tip and put a water buffalo or something. My cue is prob worth $100 and I guarantee it breaks better than bk2, bk3, bk-whatevers.
Break cues are so gimmicky it's a joke.
Guys, this is serious.....this rule change is gonna cost the BCAPGAXNFL millions of dollars.....even worse, it just might enrage manbearpig....I just spoke with trapperkeeper, and he is pissed...:angry:
Good Post Dave :smile:
I will have to admit, I have an original BK.(bought it for $200 :embarrassed2
It doesnt break any better than my cheapy break cue I sold to buy it.Honestly, I bought into the idea that I wanted what was popular.
I SEE ABSOLUTELY NO DIFFERENCE in how I break. :smile:
BTW, anyone want to buy an orginal BK.
The BCAPL may have taken away the hardest tips, but at least they let me rack my own balls, which is a way bigger help to my break than a tip could ever be.
Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to break with my "canvas resin" tip. I can control the cue ball just fine with it, and it doesn't require any maintenance. Plus it's not loud like other phenolics. I will keep using it where I can, and find some other solution to be in compliance for rare events where I'm not allowed to use phenolic. In the end, it is not the most important element in my break.
I would rather let you chose my break cue and have me rack the balls than for me to chose my break cue and have you rack the balls.
By the way, what's up with that video? You make 4 balls, but lose the cue ball. You also lose the cue ball in all the breaks in your BreakRAK video. So where is this great break of yours with the BK2? Surely you don't claim that 4 balls is typical 9-ball break for you. I'd be way more impressed if you posted a video of several breaks in a row where you hit the rack hard and stopped the cue ball in the center of the table, even if nothing dropped on any of them.
Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer to break with my "canvas resin" tip. I can control the cue ball just fine with it, and it doesn't require any maintenance. Plus it's not loud like other phenolics. I will keep using it where I can, and find some other solution to be in compliance for rare events where I'm not allowed to use phenolic. In the end, it is not the most important element in my break.
I would rather let you chose my break cue and have me rack the balls than for me to chose my break cue and have you rack the balls.
By the way, what's up with that video? You make 4 balls, but lose the cue ball. You also lose the cue ball in all the breaks in your BreakRAK video. So where is this great break of yours with the BK2? Surely you don't claim that 4 balls is typical 9-ball break for you. I'd be way more impressed if you posted a video of several breaks in a row where you hit the rack hard and stopped the cue ball in the center of the table, even if nothing dropped on any of them.
Obviously, the BCAPL ruling would have gone down better a few years ago before phenolic tipped break cues got into so many hands, but you have to start somewhere. They had to put a brake on the ingenuity of people trying to make a buck selling new types of equipment - the arms race, as I think of it. We've gone from leather to super hard leather to phenolic to ball-busting G10. Where was it supposed to stop? They had to do something, and fewer people will be upset now than a few years from now.
To Mark Griffin - Thank you for having the guts to suffer the slings and arrows. There is no doubt in my mind you have done the right thing. And, while I'm at it, thank you for all you have done for pool.
To Mark Griffin - Thank you for having the guts to suffer the slings and arrows. There is no doubt in my mind you have done the right thing. And, while I'm at it, thank you for all you have done for pool.
Again, no one reads. When I posted the video I clearly state that in the video I was breaking with my old x breaker.
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Oh yeah. Sorry, I forgot; I read that post last night before going to bed. My reading comprehension may not have been the best at that hour.
To be fair, you, as well, missed the point of my statement... which was... you posted the video to show Mark how hard you worked on your break, but yet the video didn't demonstrate a good break.
No I got the point you were trying to make. I didn't miss it. I know that the video actually does show that I've worked hard on my break regardless of whether or not it was perfect. I'm not going to argue on an opinion of whether it was "good" or not. My opinion is it was good but not great and I think one can tell that I've worked hard on it.
If it is true that you've worked so hard on your break, then you will probably be able to adjust to a leather tip more easily than you expect to. IMO, the adjustment needed to go from breaking with phenolic to breaking with leather is less than the adjustment needed to go from breaking in big table 9-ball to breaking in bar box 8-ball.
In fact, since the breaks in the videos suggest that you're doing fine in the power department, but are lacking a little in control, the leather tip may actually improve your break.
The same could be said of my jumps (and perhaps my breaks too), and the BCAPL rule will ultimately lead to me switching to a leather jump tip even though it's not required.
Luxury,
Stick to what you're great at - according to your own post, it's marketing and sales.
One thing we all know what you're not good at is ... giving warning - ha! LOL. Maybe, it wasn't threatening enough, or scary enough or just didn't make any sense
You should had applied your marketing skills to make the warning more serious and then maybe BCAPL would had jumped!One thing for sure, it's a good thing you're not trying to become a real player! Yeah, with that certain CEO on tilt...
Oh, next time, don't take it so hard when someone doesn't take your warning seriously... really it's not worth it!
S.
interesting
You say that you worked very hard on your break, and you say that your good break is dependant on your cue (or at least implied that it would be severly diminished by not using it)..
. These sound like opposite statements to me.
Also the video example you posted as evidence of said great break was accomplished with a DIFFERENT cue than the one you are so upset about not being able to use.
This means that you worked hard at your break, THEN changed to another break cue
. Obviously there was some adjustments made, and you were able to move on. Yet you STILL claim to have a fantastic break ( even with this new cue).
You have already proven that not only is it possible to overcome this earth shattering handicap, but that you personally have done it yourself. Do it again, and have even more confidence in your ability.
There are always rules on equipment in any formal play. Just because I spent countless hours perfecting my techniques with my 32 ounce solid metal cue with no tip and a 3 inch 8 oz cue ball, DOES NOT give me any standing to expect to use it in formal competition.
It is no secret what the rules on equipment are. If players do not educate themselves on the rules, it is no ones fault but ther own. If they show up in sandals and cutoff shorts because they did not know there was a dress code, they will not be allowed to play. It is the players' responsibility to find out these things that are clearly stated if they choose to look.
Also, I have not heard a peep from "the masses" against the rule change. Any time ANYTHING changes , people will complain. Then most will get over it and move on ( as you will do at some point). I know, I have done it too.
I like my BK2, and would prefer to use it over a leather tipped break cue. I play in the APA, and I hate the rules of the APA. I do not show up every week complaining about their silly rules, like I am so suprised about it. I know the rules, and I play anyway. I would much rather play BCA rules, but I still manage to adapt and play fine anyway. My opponenet and I are both subject to the same rules.
It is like when someone keeps complaining about the table or the playing conditions. I am like "did the table change when it became your turn?". We are both playing on the same table. We have to contend with the exact same situation. Pool is a game of adjustments. It would be VERY unfair if they said that YOU were the only one not allowed to use a phenolic tip. Otherwise it is a fair rule, that they are well within their right to make.
Somehow, I do not feel that you are genuinely concerned about the BCAPL 's bottom line and profitabliity. If they proved that they could make more money by requiring every player to play with a brand X cue and specific brand of chalk, would you be okay with that as long as they were making more money?
Jw
You say that you worked very hard on your break, and you say that your good break is dependant on your cue (or at least implied that it would be severly diminished by not using it)..
. These sound like opposite statements to me.Also the video example you posted as evidence of said great break was accomplished with a DIFFERENT cue than the one you are so upset about not being able to use.
This means that you worked hard at your break, THEN changed to another break cue
. Obviously there was some adjustments made, and you were able to move on. Yet you STILL claim to have a fantastic break ( even with this new cue).You have already proven that not only is it possible to overcome this earth shattering handicap, but that you personally have done it yourself. Do it again, and have even more confidence in your ability.
There are always rules on equipment in any formal play. Just because I spent countless hours perfecting my techniques with my 32 ounce solid metal cue with no tip and a 3 inch 8 oz cue ball, DOES NOT give me any standing to expect to use it in formal competition.
It is no secret what the rules on equipment are. If players do not educate themselves on the rules, it is no ones fault but ther own. If they show up in sandals and cutoff shorts because they did not know there was a dress code, they will not be allowed to play. It is the players' responsibility to find out these things that are clearly stated if they choose to look.
Also, I have not heard a peep from "the masses" against the rule change. Any time ANYTHING changes , people will complain. Then most will get over it and move on ( as you will do at some point). I know, I have done it too.
I like my BK2, and would prefer to use it over a leather tipped break cue. I play in the APA, and I hate the rules of the APA. I do not show up every week complaining about their silly rules, like I am so suprised about it. I know the rules, and I play anyway. I would much rather play BCA rules, but I still manage to adapt and play fine anyway. My opponenet and I are both subject to the same rules.
It is like when someone keeps complaining about the table or the playing conditions. I am like "did the table change when it became your turn?". We are both playing on the same table. We have to contend with the exact same situation. Pool is a game of adjustments. It would be VERY unfair if they said that YOU were the only one not allowed to use a phenolic tip. Otherwise it is a fair rule, that they are well within their right to make.
Somehow, I do not feel that you are genuinely concerned about the BCAPL 's bottom line and profitabliity. If they proved that they could make more money by requiring every player to play with a brand X cue and specific brand of chalk, would you be okay with that as long as they were making more money?
Jw
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Your example doesn't make sense. Your ficticious 32 ounce cue and 3 inch cue ball were never legal. The phenolic tips have been legal for a number of years, with no problems. The BCAPL has decided to change what is legal, without any consideration for their members who were using this previous legal equipment.
I'm sure, if the BCAPL changed the rules, making your favorite playing cue, of the last ten years, illegal, you would be on the other side of this argument.
That YOU were aware of.
Again it is really not that big of a deal. You just have to break with a leather tip. Just like every other single BCAPL player that plays in the regionals and nationals.
That is the rule - now it is your choice on what you want to do.
Is your favorite playing your your pehnolic tipped break cue? If not then I don't understand the comparison.
BVal
The comparison is that players are being forced, for no good reason, to stop using a piece of equipment that has been legal for years and is sitll legal in other organizations.
I would still like to see the proof that the phenolic tips were damaging cue balls. As I have said before, I have seen cue balls damaged in a number of ways, but never by being hit with a phenolic tip. I contend that there is more force involved in the collision of the cue ball with the head ball on the rack than there is between the cue tip and the cue ball.
BTW, we all know that room owners complain about every little thing, but I have never heard one complain about cue balls being damaged from phenolic tips. Frankly, I don't believe it happens.
I was merely responding to the argument that countless hours of practice with a piece of equipment justifies it somehow. It was a direct response to a paticular set of reasoning, and in THAT context it was an applicable example.
I did say that I do own, use and prefer the same exact cue (BK2). So, yes, I am still on the same side of the argument- and NOT in a hypothetical way.
Okay, then take the break box for some of the pro tournaments. They made a rule change that it WAS legal to break from anywhere behind the headstring, and then all of a sudden it was NOT. I think that is more of an adjustment than this example. This was limiting not just the equipment used, but the whole dynamic of the break shot. Not everyone was happy about that either. What happened? The players adjusted.
Let me say, I would rather use my BK2 in any competitive situation. I HAVE played at national BCA events. If it were soley MY decision, I would allow the use of phenolic tips. I am only saying that it is their right to make the change, and it is the players responsibility to know the rules and what the legal specs are when choosing to play in ANY organized event of any kind.
You have to be able to adjust to play the game well. It is like blaming the table for poor play. "Well, on MY table, I would have won!" does not really carry any weight with me. What I really like about such players is that when things are going bad for them it is always the equipment, but if things turn around for them, they still take all the credit! I tell them "If you are going to blame the table for all your losses, then you should give all the credit to the table when you win" They never seem to get it. You can't have it both ways. You do not get to take all the credit without ANY responsibilty.
If the cue is really what determines who the winner will be, then why bother playing the tournamnet at all. Just have everyone open their cue case and see who should win based on that. "Okay , well it looks like Joe is the winner. You guys obviously don't stand a chance, I mean look at that cue he has!" Talk about the BCA saving some real money! They could skip the whole tournamnet! No balls, cloth OR even tables! That would cut their costs way down!
Jw
Well it looks like this ruling will remain a mystery to me. Making countless broke players pay money for new equipment and lose there favorite stick which they now feel they wasted hundereds on should only be done for a very very good reason.
Mike said it's NOT about the cost of replacing balls or cloth it's about damaging equipment. I don't get that. Probably never will. A lot of people agree with me but a lot also feel I've tainted the forum and I agree so I apologize for that and won't debate anymore regardless of how passionate I feel about it.
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Mike said it's NOT about the cost of replacing balls or cloth it's about damaging equipment. I don't get that. Probably never will. A lot of people agree with me but a lot also feel I've tainted the forum and I agree so I apologize for that and won't debate anymore regardless of how passionate I feel about it.
Guaranteed last post in this thread from me. You are welcome.