Free Pool Lessons! With Shanelle Loraine, Wayne Catledge & More at Corner Pockets,FL

Blackjack said:
Not for me, but I am not the only one that teaches in Orlando and the surrounding area. I think that when it is offered for free, it cheapens the value and damages the market for instruction.

I know all of the people involved in this effort, to include the room owner, and I know that they are not doing this maliciously to damage anybody or their business. They honestly want to help players and draw players into this room.

Wayne is a great person, a great player, and he has a wealth of knowledge that can assist many players if they show up to listen and to learn.

Michell is friend of mine also, a great player, and very qualified to teach players of all levels.

I've never seen Shanelle teach. I really don't know her, so I can't comment either way. If she is a beginning instructor, this a great way to learn. Being around Wayne and Charlie and watching and listening will also be a plus for her.

Charlie is world class player, and IMO a world class instructor also. Anyone that think that they won't learn something from Charlie is kidding themselves. If he's giving free lessons, there should be a line forming in the parking lot.

The only problem I see, is that the free lessons will send out the message that others (including myself) are charging excessively. I don't know how much others charge for lessons - but I'm pretty sure its not free. The "free" part is the part that surprised me. I can't compete with that, then again I never teach at this pool hall. I play there often, but my classes are held elsewhere.

Is this going to damage anybody? I'm not sure. My market is with books, video evaluation, coaching, etc - and I really don't work with many beginner or intermediate players. I am more geared for the advanced players, regional tour players, the mental game, etc. The affect it will have on me is minimal to non-existent, but I think it will affect the BCA instructors in this area. Just remember, its one night a week - Tuesday at one particular pool hall.

Its not gonna hurt me.

The idea is to have player have access to the pros, and to generate business for Corner Pockets. Corner Pocket is a beautiful pool room, but it has struggled. Its great to see people showing interest in trying to keep a great room open for business.

The free part - well I don't really agree with it. Like I said, I completely expect at the next 9 ball course I teach, I will have some smart ass interrupt me to tell my students that they can get the same (or better) instruction for free down at Corner Pockets. There's nothing I can do about that.

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David, you went from the prophet of doom to a diplomat. You know that those "lessons" {said with a great deal of laughter} will help you in the long run. I just hope those tortured souls dont regress so far backwards you can bring them back to the dark side.

Voodoo~~~not known for his diplomacy:thumbup:
 
Hmmmm.....seems to be some misunderstanding here.

First - NOBODY on this thread wishes anything but the best of business for the pool hall.

Second - NOBODY is seriously worried about this being for free. Blackjack has given away free more knowledge of basics, intermediate and advance pool playing than Charlie will, ever.

Third - believe it or not, NOBODY on this thread wishes anything but the best for Shanelle.There is some disagreement on her playing potential. I hope one day she decides to not allow herself to be sexually exploited by others and hope that she has kept a running record of any sexual harrassment she may have encountered while associated with DP. (is this explicit enough without me actually making any comment on CW?)

I'll just say that as a man who genuinely respects women I'd never go to this even to see the lovely Ms. Shanelle. I also highly suggest any women attending not give out their address and that they keep their keys close.

Have a nice day! :smile:
 
UrackmIcrackm said:
The one word that comes to mind when I read your post is - Absurd.

I could justify the absurdity with many examples and explanations but its not worth it. From previous posts you've made on the subject, you have your way of thinking and I have mine. I will take a moment to point out one thing. Due to the way she dresses, there are some folks out there that are not aware of the magnitude of the assets Ms Corr has. Her assets could probably spot Shanelles assets just as much weight as Ms Corrs game could spot Ms Lorraines. The difference (besides the obvious pool playing ability) is that Ms Corr has more class and uses her skills to get noticed in the pool world instead of using her assets to get noticed and to hide her lack of skills. Outside of that point, I'm going to agree to disagree with your train of thought on Ms Lorraines lack of clothing.
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Karen Corr looks really stuffy as she is playing. Really lethargic looking. So you think women shouldn't show cleavage and I think it's perfectly acceptable. No biggie.
 
My point in my statement is simply if all the people mentioned in this post are supporting the sport or game of pool, then quit all the hateing that's going on and applaud the effort. If a person goes to the event and what is being taught is below their current abilities then so what, it's not as if you were paying for the instruction to begin with.

Shenelle Lorraine is an attractive young women that happens to play pool, if she's able to make a living at pool, modeling or as a business person good for her.

In reguards to what Charlie Williams did or didn't do as wrong as it may have been has no bearing on what he's doing at this event or any other that he may be involved in.

As for the other gentleman I have no clue as to who he is, so as for me he'd have to show me some ability before I'd even see what he had to say, and that's not a shot him and no disrespect intended.

As to whether I own a Vick Jersey or not, If I do my support is for the football player and team not for the actions, that the man commited.

I am no man's Judge.

Black Cat
 
Black Cat 5791 said:
Yeah and just for the record we're not in court.

And, also the Judge passes the verdict/judgement.

Black Cat
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Of course, you are right.
But also just for the record next time CW pulls his shit on a woman I consider a friend I WILL frickin judge his a$$ and he'll spend the rest of his life as "Charlene"!:mad:

Have a nice day.:smile:
 
Tbeaux said:
Of course, you are right.
But also just for the record next time CW pulls his shit on a woman I consider a friend I WILL frickin judge his a$$ and he'll spend the rest of his life as "Charlene"!:mad:

Have a nice day.:smile:
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I don't condone any wrong doing by anyone, however the game we all claim we love needs all the help it can get.

Anyone that does wrong will eventually get what they deserve by one means or another.

My only gripe with this whole thread is that it started out mainly bashing someone that I've had the pleasure of meeting and think is a nice person. Reguardless of how pretty they are or what they wear. Most of the world have no idea who any of our top women or men players are reguardless of how good they play.

I've met several of the sport's elite I won't name any names, but for several of them once was enough.

Marketability means a lot, personality means a lot.

So people don't loose sight of what the real goal is.

Play Pool, Be Happy

Black Cat
 
Sweet Marissa said:
No, she can't run two balls much less a rack, therefore she isn't qualified to teach.

$20 says she giggles, bats her eyes, and uses the term "perfect rack" during her "lesson".
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I understand that you have ill feelings towards Charlie for what he allegedly did to you, but why are you hating on Shanelle? What did she do to you?
 
Shanelle's being used as a prop/novelty by "Charlie Wonka and the Dragon Factory".

C'mon, it's a complete and utter joke. It's an embarrassment to the game of pool.
 
poolpro said:
I must have missed something here. It clearly states that it is geared towards beginners and intermediates. It is a free promotion with the possibility of turning casual or non players into fans of the game and maybe more. What could possibly be wrong with this?

I understand that there is a lot of charlie bashing on here. It is well likely deserved, but I do not want to get into the politics of that.


I am just saying why would ANYONE have any problem with somone trying to promote the game to newer players? Other more qualified teachers have been mentioned, but are they teaching for free? To someone who is just starting out, I think this would be a great thing, and who knows? Maybe one of these new players stick with it, and will call up some of these other instructors in the future when they are serious enough to pay for some lessons.

If you can run 3 balls consistantly, and know how to stand at the table properly, you have something to offer a true beginner. Walk into any poolroom and you will see FAR more misinformation and advice that is trying to pass for instruction. This has to be better for the game and new players than that!


I think this is sad. I have seen people try to do something to promote the game, and have people jump all over them. Then a minute later everyone says " Why won't someone do something for the good of the sport?" , and wonder why pool is in such the sad state that it is in.


Where is the downside to this? What am I missing?


Any of the more qualified people willing to schedule a weekly FREE lesson?

Let me know, so I can criticize you mercilessly for having good intentions, and say I know someone who is far more qualified ( but of course won't do it for free).


I remember many years ago, I worked at a pool room in Chicago. There was an older lady who used to put on a group pool seminar. She had prob NEVER run a rack in her life, but she loved the game so much. Her enthusiasm was absolutely contagious. Me and her " students" were glad to have here there. These people had so much fun. They were introduced to a great game in a comfortable and fun atmosphere. She did provide a very good and sound introduction. She did not pass herself off as a highly skilled player either.

I used to teach some lessons out of the room, (beginner and intermediate). Many of these players would seek out more help after their initial introduction.

Who has a problem with trying to get new players to fall in love with this game and get them out into the pool halls? There have been so many closing in my area, I am for ANYTHING that would mean more revenue to a local pool hall. Hopefully, it will be enough to keep the ones I go to open so I can still enjoy the game that I love.



Jw
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Agreed! Too much bias against the guy to see a good thing.
 
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