Please help - Cushions way to fast !

chevybob20 said:
Do you know if the rail hieght has to be shimmed on a Gold Crown? I am not a table mechanic and have no aspirations to be one. But, I am curious to know what has gone wrong with these tables. ALL of them in that room play the same way and have the low rail height. I have never played on Gold Crowns that play this way except for this room.
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No Gold Crown from a factory condition plays low at the cushions right from the start, that only happens when someone's hands replace the cushions incorrectly or does something else wrong AFTER the fact. I've never disliked Gold Crowns, only the work that has been done on them by someone that doesn't know what they're doing:grin:

Glen
 
Thank you for the response. I was hoping that that wasn't the case. Sad to see beautiful tables handled that way. Keep up your cruisade to improve pool table mechanics. Players DO appreciate it.
 
sausage said:
what say you, "kind" gentlemen?
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Well, i would say don't believe everything thing you see on the internet.
You sarcastically call this guy a "pro" yet you posted this guys video to a member asking for advice!!! What say you?
 
sausage said:
i've owned three tables, a 9' gold crown, a cheapie one piecer i got for free and sold for $450, and most recently a brunswick, ventrua II pro. when i redid the rails on my gold crown, AND my Ventura, i noticed that the work done by the professional, allowed the cloth to bunch up at the pockets slightly. there is a recessed area into which the cloth "fits" so that the rails are flush with the table but it isn't recessed quite enough. there is almost always some material that isn't flush in that recess AND few people take the extra time to cut the excess off exactly in the recess. as a result, it's quite a chore to get the rails totally flush with the table. few "mechanics" spend that extra time to do so. i didn't..... neither did this pro:
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A REAL pool table would have the rail bolts going through the slate and not a wooden frame work:D and could you please define what a "PROfessional Mechanic" is, just because you pay someone to do something, that does NOT make them a Professional!

Glen
 
sausage said:
i've never heard of someone complaining that their cushions were too fast...... the only way the rails can be too low is if they were improperly installed. that's difficult to do and would be visually noticeable because the top of the cushion wouldn't be flush with the rail. before you start screwing around "jacking up" your rails you should measure them first to compare with the other tables. furthermore: all rails have a couple layers of cloth underneath already because of the "scrunching" of the cloth at the ends. i did my best to minimize this because i wanted fast rails.
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Ever heard of someone re-sawing the face of the sub-rail to a lower bevel before installing new cushions?:D therefore creating the low rail height problem, even though the cushions have been replaced with new factory original cushions?:D
 
scruffy1 said:
Well, i would say don't believe everything thing you see on the internet.
You sarcastically call this guy a "pro" yet you posted this guys video to a member asking for advice!!! What say you?
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you misread my post.
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not one of you has spoken to THE ISSUES i presented.

#1. the cloth bunching at the pockets which raises the rails slightly.
#2. rails too fast

you give advice on how to solve a problem ie: rails too fast, that has yet to be defined, but you pros insist that he "raise his rails" by cramming cloth underneath.

unless the rails are molded improperly, they will be EXACTLY the same height as the original rails UNLESS, they are glued on improperly, in which case you'd be able to see it even with the felt on.
 
Ever heard of someone re-sawing the face of the sub-rail to a lower bevel before installing new cushions?
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yeah, sure... and it's likely that this was done ON ALL THE TABLES IN QUESTION, right? you simply will not address my issues will you?
 
mair23 said:
Dear Mechanics,

i am a pool hall owner from Europe, and have 11 year old Brunswick Centurion Tables.
I bought them new from an official Brunswick Dealer over here.
They were perfect for about 7 to 8 years, until the cushions start to went down.
O.k., no problem, lets start and make new cushions.
And since that time (app. 3 years ago) i have troubles all around.

I go crazy playing on my own tables, because the balls coming out faster then they are going in (feels like).
They are way to fast, and in case of that even the angles the balls came out of the cushion are way to short all the time.
You can believe me as a relativly good player that it is terrible.
2 cushion or 3 cushion positions drive me crazy because white is doing things you can not imagine.

I hope some of you could have an idea why that happens, with all the new cushions we put on.
All made by the Brunswick Dealer, and all looks great - Height, Cloth etc.

best regards,
Erich
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First impression -
When you replace 11 year old cushions with new cushions they "should" be fast and noticeably different then the old cushions.
Your measurement of 1.43" is the same as 1 7/16" so nose height is correct however you should check that this measurement
is consistent all the way down the rails.
I'll presume the cue balls are 2 1/4 and not 2 3/8, the cushions weren't stretched and the rail cloth was installed correctly.
 
When you replace 11 year old cushions with new cushions they "should" be fast and noticeably different then the old cushions.
Your measurement of 1.43" is the same as 1 7/16" so nose height is correct however you should check that this measurement
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exactly.... if it ain't broke, don't fix it. enjoy your fast rails :wink:
 
ok, well before you do all that if you haven't already I will tell you what I do. I have dif size balls, snooker , pool and billiards. This is an easy way to help identify problems. Of course thats just my humble opinion. I hope you gather the rest.
 
sausage said:
you misread my post.
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not one of you has spoken to THE ISSUES i presented.

#1. the cloth bunching at the pockets which raises the rails slightly.
#2. rails too fast

you give advice on how to solve a problem ie: rails too fast, that has yet to be defined, but you pros insist that he "raise his rails" by cramming cloth underneath.

unless the rails are molded improperly, they will be EXACTLY the same height as the original rails UNLESS, they are glued on improperly, in which case you'd be able to see it even with the felt on.
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I don't know what kind of experience you have working as a mechanic, but where I come from, bunching cloth up under the rails as you like to put it does raise the height of the rails, and in return...slows down the speed of the balls coming off the cushions....it's NOT the other way around, and yes I've talked to the owner....and yes ALL the tables had the cushions replaced...at the same time, except ONE table...which plays correctly....now why is that???? You seem to think you know a lot, so speak up and answer that!!!

Glen
 
sausage said:
yeah, sure... and it's likely that this was done ON ALL THE TABLES IN QUESTION, right? you simply will not address my issues will you?
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Further more, I gave the OP the advice to change the height on "ONE" table to see the difference it made when compared to all the other tables, not to raise the height of ALLLLLLLLLLLLLL the tables! Are you another "Mechanic" that can't read? but sure likes to argue! As far as "addressing" YOUR issues....who the hell are YOU? Because you're not the OP, and I don't see you giving advice to solve the OP question, but you don't fail to run your lips about..."if it ain't broke, don't fix it"...the OP SAID he wasn't happy with the way the tables play...didn't he? So, are you saying it's just his imagination, and that HE don't know what he's talking about, and that he should just ignore what he feels, and that is that his tables play to fast....according to YOU?

Glen
 
realkingcobra said:
Further more, I gave the OP the advice to change the height on "ONE" table to see the difference it made when compared to all the other tables, ...
Glen
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I agree with your advice however he stated the nose height was 1.43" (1 7/16) which as you know is dead-on.
Adding 2 slices of cloth will most certainly slow down the rail action but just seems like something else is the problem.
Of course if OP is happy with this fix then so be it.
 
Dartman said:
I agree with your advice however he stated the nose height was 1.43" (1 7/16) which as you know is dead-on.
Adding 2 slices of cloth will most certainly slow down the rail action but just seems like something else is the problem.
Of course if OP is happy with this fix then so be it.
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I hear ya Rick, but if he's not happy with the speed of the cushions being to fast, and I know he stated the cushion nose height, but without being there to check it myself, all I can say is slow one table down and see if it plays more like what he wants, and if it does, then he knows what to do to change the other tables to play the same. I don't understand how the cushions can be that fast either with a correct nose height, but who knows:confused:

Glen
 
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