Everbody at Buffalo Billiards thought it was funny......

c'mon Joey - easiest solution - run the first rack and then ask your opponent if he/she wants to chop....

have a couple of adult beverages with your winnings, and ask the TD to play some :wink:
 
Joey. it's good to see that you take these type of tournaments for what they are. Just a way to get out and socialize with friends. Be honored that they regard your game so well as to put such a large handicap on you.
Sounds like they could just bar you and be done with it.

I used to play in tournaments where they put a bounty on me. I considered it an honor that they did that. However I believe that the bounty made some of my matches easier for me because of the added pressure put on my opponents.

When I play these tournaments I don't always go for the throat, I will allow them to shoot and if they win, more power to them, They are the ones that keep these tournaments going. I save my intensive efforts for the larger tournaments with top notch opponents.

P.S. sounds like I need a huge spot from you
 
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I am mad as hell that I don't have the heart to take advantage of any migrant workers. :grin:



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which has nothing to do with this thread but ok.

Joey is a good guy and yes, we've met. I consider him a friend and wasn't meaning to get into an argument, just stating my opinion since I've had the pleasure/displeasure of putting on and running handicap tourneys before. You are kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. The better players are gonna say that they have to give up too much and the worse players are gonna say that they don't get enough weight, that's just how it is.
 
corvette1340 said:
which has nothing to do with this thread but ok.

Joey is a good guy and yes, we've met. I consider him a friend and wasn't meaning to get into an argument, just stating my opinion since I've had the pleasure/displeasure of putting on and running handicap tourneys before. You are kind of damned if you do, damned if you don't. The better players are gonna say that they have to give up too much and the worse players are gonna say that they don't get enough weight, that's just how it is.
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I feel ya vette.....I'm one of the worse players but really dislike getting a buncha weight. I wish more of the "lesser" players would just sack up and take it for what it is - a learning experience. I'd be happy with the format of my league...loser breaks, that way the lesser player can't say they didn't get an opportunity. :cool:
 
I went out one night to a local handi-capped tournament. I hadn't played in nearly five years. I played extremely well considering the long lay-off. I managed to get to the finals despite giving up a ton of weight.

My opponent in the finals was getting a spot of ten games to four and all the breaks.

He soft broke on me the first break and didn't pocket a ball. I ran out on him.

The next rack he broke like King Kong but failed to make a ball. I ran out again.

At this point my opponent told me I was a professional player and I shouldn't be allowed to play in the tournament. I told my opponent, "You suck and need all this weight just to play in the tournament. You shouldn't be allowed to play until you get good enough to play."

I"ve given out huge amounts of weight in handi-capped events.

I played a woman one evening 11-3. She won the first two games. I won the next eleven. She could really play. Some of these tournament directors think they are cute and they love to punish better players. They didn't punish Larry Bird, Micheal Jordan or Nolan Ryan for being so much better than the rest of the people they played against. Unfortunately pool players get punished for being better than the rest of the people they are playing against. Sometimes the spots are ridiculous.
 
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you and me both...

corvette1340 said:
Im not sure I'm getting the point of this thread. Are you mad about having to give up spots in a handicap tourney?

If all local/weekly tourney's were open and everyone played even then there would quicky be NO tourneys. Do you want all of the lesser players to have no chance and just hand you the money?
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Sounds to me like a "hey... look at me" thread...

:rolleyes:
 
i sometimes will play in a open 8 ball tourny in a town near me. i have won

everytime i played in it, not very strong players at all. i have gotten to

make some friends though and they actually love to watch me play and do

things they havent seen before. they were amazed the first time i got

hooked a ball before the 8 and jumped and made it and drew the ball back

about a foot for straight in 8 ball.(1 guy showed me how he could jump lol

scoop shot lol u have all seen it.) last time i was there i bought everyone

drinks and just try to make it fun for everyone the bar owner and some

others tell me im welcome anytime. i dont go every week cause im sure it

would get very old then im sure.
 
hustlin62946 said:
i sometimes will play in a open 8 ball tourny in a town near me. i have won

everytime i played in it, not very strong players at all. i have gotten to

make some friends though and they actually love to watch me play and do

things they havent seen before. they were amazed the first time i got

hooked a ball before the 8 and jumped and made it and drew the ball back

about a foot for straight in 8 ball.(1 guy showed me how he could jump lol

scoop shot lol u have all seen it.) last time i was there i bought everyone

drinks and just try to make it fun for everyone the bar owner and some

others tell me im welcome anytime. i dont go every week cause im sure it

would get very old then im sure.
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wow....u must be a great player
 
not really i try though. just pointing out u can win and still make friends and have a good time with

everyone. these players arent world beaters there just bar players a few of them might run a rack

but u definatly dont have t worry about them putting 2 or 3 together
 
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hustlin62946 said:
i sometimes will play in a open 8 ball tourny in a town near me. i have won

everytime i played in it, not very strong players at all. i have gotten to

make some friends though and they actually love to watch me play and do

things they havent seen before. they were amazed the first time i got

hooked a ball before the 8 and jumped and made it and drew the ball back

about a foot for straight in 8 ball.(1 guy showed me how he could jump lol

scoop shot lol u have all seen it.) last time i was there i bought everyone

drinks and just try to make it fun for everyone the bar owner and some

others tell me im welcome anytime. i dont go every week cause im sure it

would get very old then im sure.
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good of you - whereabouts in IL??
 
i don't know about everywhere else but here in dayton like 75% of the tournaments have went to b/c tournaments excluding the A players from participating at all. Use to be everywhere had one night of b/c and one night open, it seems like you get punished for taking that next step.
 
tom mcgonagle said:
I went out one night to a local handi-capped tournament. I hadn't played in nearly five years. I played extremely well considering the long lay-off. I managed to get to the finals despite giving up a ton of weight.

My opponent in the finals was getting a spot of ten games to four and all the breaks.

He soft broke on me the first break and didn't pocket a ball. I ran out on him.

The next rack he broke like King Kong but failed to make a ball. I ran out again.

At this point my opponent told me I was a professional player and I shouldn't be allowed to play in the tournament. I told my opponent, "You suck and need all this weight just to play in the tournament. You shouldn't be allowed to play until you get good enough to play."

I"ve given out huge amounts of weight in handi-capped events.

I played a woman one evening 11-3. She won the first two games. I won the next eleven. She could really play. Some of these tournament directors think they are cute and they love to punish better players. They didn't punish Larry Bird, Micheal Jordan or Nolan Ryan for being so much better than the rest of the people they played against. Unfortunately pool players get punished for being better than the rest of the people they are playing against. Sometimes the spots are ridiculous.
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Your comparison makes absolutely 0 sense. You are comparing apples to shotguns. Bird, Jordan, and Ryan played team sports that cannot be handicapped. Furthermore, the entire premise behind weekly rated tourneys is to boost business and give everyone a chance to compete.

If you made all of them open tourneys then there would be no tourneys and no business for the pool rooms. I could care less if Johnny pro wants to rob a tourney. He might come in the room once every month and drink water. I'd rather have 40 amateurs that come in every week and spend $20 on food and drinks and enjoy having a chance to compete.

If you don't like the way the weekly tourneys are handicapped then go and play in the UPA events where there is no handicap.
 
I agree with the above poster, the better players don't spend much money, it is the league type player that spends the money on buckets of beer. It is entertainment and a chance to see all their buddies. I do not mind giving up spots, it is my choice to play or not play. Plus it has made me a better player giving up the last 2 or 3. We had a nice "B/C" tourny in Detroit. Got around 15-25 people every week, no handicap. An "A" player took it over and starting letting "A" players in. That lasted about 4 weeks and only 4-6 A players were left and the tourney went away.
 
I don't want to do away with tournaments that allow everyone a fair chance to compete. I want a fairer handicap system. I'm as good as I'm going to get. I'm probably at a point where my game is declining. It's easier for someone of lesser ability to get better. That's all I'm saying. When I returned, to the game, after a five year lay-off I was still handicapped like I never left, at all.

I play at Snooker's in Providence, RI. on Wednesday nights, a seventy mile ride for me, one way. The races are either you go to five or four. The game played is nine-ball. Twenty dollar entry fee. They average over forty-five players a week. Players go there because they are treated fairly. I play as a five. I lose to more four's than I do five's. The system works.
 
People are funny and that is what makes local tourneys funny. In our neck of the woods there are multiple tourneys nightly around town, all on bar tables. At Click's on Sat. afternoon we have a "chip" nine ball tourney on 9' tables. Using six or eight tables a random draw starts the action. If you win the game you stay on the table and break with the next player, if you lose you go to the next table and rack when it is your turn. Seven losses and you're out, keep playing until there is only one player left per table, redraw pills for rotation order for two tables and continue in the same venue for the order of finish. If you win the tourney twice in a row you have a chip taken away from you for awhile thus allowing only six losses. Three times in a row, two chips, noone has ever won four in a row. The entry fee is $10.00, no green fee (if you play in the tourney you can basically come in the room at 11:00 open and play till 8:00 at night for no table time) $100.00 added money. All in all a fun time as players from the surrounding area come and play and there is lots of action aside from the tourney. I said all that to say this, there are still several players that show up before the 4:00 start time, gripe about the good players, won't play unless the top 5 or 6 players are missing, then they set on the rail for the side action bets and make a killing, (one game side bets are very entertaining, and very difficult even for skilled eye to tell when the dump is on). In this format even the mid-level and lower level players have a good time because they occasionally win a game against an A player, and it is pumped up so it is always fun. The bigger entry fee tourneys are not as well attended or supported because of the races to seven or nine. Joey, the line is out on you, come to El Paso and we'll put you in; however, you only get four chips.
 
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I live in the Dallas area,and have played regularly in many different weekly tourneys trying not to "wear out my welcome" in any tourney by going back every week like some top players.That was about 6-7 years ago. I stopped because of tournament directors in the area who run many different tourneys during the week would prevent anyone who was a BCA Master player from playing. The flyers would not mention anything about this,you drive 20-30 minutes to play somewhere,and then they don't let you play. This became very popular,and I pretty much just quit trying altogether. When I was learning how to play,I took my beatings,learned from them,and started to administer some beatings myself. I thought that that was the point of having the good players attend,to learn from them.If you only play "B" players,that's as far as you will go.Pretty sad. Anyone feel this way too?
 
9-ball B said:
I live in the Dallas area,and have played regularly in many different weekly tourneys trying not to "wear out my welcome" in any tourney by going back every week like some top players.That was about 6-7 years ago. I stopped because of tournament directors in the area who run many different tourneys during the week would prevent anyone who was a BCA Master player from playing. The flyers would not mention anything about this,you drive 20-30 minutes to play somewhere,and then they don't let you play. This became very popular,and I pretty much just quit trying altogether. When I was learning how to play,I took my beatings,learned from them,and started to administer some beatings myself. I thought that that was the point of having the good players attend,to learn from them.If you only play "B" players,that's as far as you will go.Pretty sad. Anyone feel this way too?
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I understand what you're saying, but having owned a pool room that ran weekly tourneys I can tell you that most of the people playing don't do it to get better or advance in the game. Most do it because it is fun for them to have a chance to compete on a level playing field while being around friends. They do it to have a good time and maybe win a few bucks.
 
So Right...

corvette1340 said:
I understand what you're saying, but having owned a pool room that ran weekly tourneys I can tell you that most of the people playing don't do it to get better or advance in the game. Most do it because it is fun for them to have a chance to compete on a level playing field while being around friends. They do it to have a good time and maybe win a few bucks.
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True That!!! What's that on your hat? The new group the 'vette five?
 
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