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Amazing, i love your video´s and your old school workmanship is awesome :thumbup:
Great feeling, and for sure hours and hours and hours of training :eek:
Erich
 
mair23 said:
Amazing, i love your video´s and your old school workmanship is awesome :thumbup:
Great feeling, and for sure hours and hours and hours of training :eek:
Erich
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many thanks sir. ol' man Bebot Bautista (cuemaker - in the video shown) is a true craftsman who loves doing his work the old-fashioned way. it's not really hours & hours of training sir... it's actually 22 years of solid experience in cuemaking for the ol' man. :wink:
 
While i love to see the videos. Turning wood round by hand . Cool. I am a little disturbed how fast the wood is turned with no time taken between passes. I was quiet before and im sure some other makers prob are saying the same thing to themselves but wont post it.

Sorry but i had too.
 
dave sutton said:
While i love to see the videos. Turning wood round by hand . Cool. I am a little disturbed how fast the wood is turned with no time taken between passes. I was quiet before and im sure some other makers prob are saying the same thing to themselves but wont post it.

Sorry but i had too.
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I was wondering the same thing, dont cue makers take a cut? and wait 3-4 weeks and then make another cut, with each cut being less than the previous?, to relieve any tension in the wood.

Or maybe the answere is yes, but since he started with squares he knocked them all off and then will let the wood rest and take smaller and smaller cuts until he gets what he is looking for.


disclaimer: Fatboy cant even shape a tip, let alone replace one. So since I'm that helpless-i'm only asking questions, not making suggestions:)
 
i totally understand your points. it doesn't necessarily mean that that piece of core will be glued immediately. of course, it's settled for a several weeks more. if you could clearly see, the fit is not the desired size yet as the end of the core didn't even come out the other end of the square ebony forearm. it's going to rest for a while to see if it moves then turn again to the desired mm. besides, we have been making custom cues for 22 years, we have more than a dozen cues in the US alone, many more in european countries where there is also winter. some cues are almost a decade old already. our cues' quality & build speak for themselves for more than 2 decades now and it's way past the need of defending them. :) gentlemen, the video i posted is not the completion of how we do things. of course, there are a few trade secrets we prefer not to show on videos... maybe i was wrong to entitle it "from start to finish" because it is apparent that it has been taken too literally. :) i was just trying to show something entertaining. just to share, my own player took 14 months to build... 10 months of it was just for settling the wood by very slow & paced turns. :) our common waiting time is 6-8 months for a cue to be made, and we only make custom cues on order, we do not peddle, so it's not a rush job in reality. sorry for the confusion. i never thought it would be taken that way because i only wanted to show things i thought maybe rarely seen nowadays because of the dawn of modern & sophisticated equipment. but it was a point well-taken with no hard feelings. :)
 
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the_general said:
i totally understand your points. it doesn't necessarily mean that that piece of core will be glued immediately. of course, it's settled for a several weeks more. if you could clearly see, the fit is not the desired size yet as the end of the core didn't even come out the other end of the square ebony forearm. it's going to rest for a while to see if it moves then turn again to the desired mm. besides, we have been making custom cues for 22 years, we have more than a dozen cues in the US alone, many more in european countries where there is also winter. some cues are almost a decade old already. our cues' quality & build speak for themselves for more than 2 decades now and it's way past the need of defending them. :) gentlemen, the video i posted is not the completion of how we do things. of course, there are a few trade secrets we prefer not to show on videos... maybe i was wrong to entitle it "from start to finish" because it is apparent that it has been taken too literally. :) i was just trying to show something entertaining. just to share, my own player took 14 months to build... 10 months of it was just for settling the wood by very slow & paced turns. :) our common waiting time is 6-8 months for a cue to be made, and we only make custom cues on order, we do not peddle, so it's not a rush job in reality. sorry for the confusion. i never thought it would be taken that way because i only wanted to show things i thought maybe rarely seen nowadays because of the dawn of modern & sophisticated equipment. but it was a point well-taken with no hard feelings. :)
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These videos are cool to see from a cue user point of view. is he making threads or is that just space for the glue to expand?

how many of your cues are in the states? any in california? any trouble with the wood moving after the cues have been stateside for a while???
 
les i was not meaning to disrespect your buisness. my personal method is much different. our climates are much alike very humid. maybe i take too much care. too much is better then too fast IMO. i am now turning my coring dowels over a year old. sitting climate controled with a dehumidifier. when i buy from bell forest i buy 18'' long 1'' dowels. so mine are already round. i find i get most movement in my initial cut. so i want as much there for that movement.
so i go from 1'' to .900 let it sit 2 months or more
then to .800 sit 1 month or more
.750 1 month
.700 1 month
.640 ready
(im only coring .650)

thats my first 10

now i started on my next 10 already

10 will last me forever bc i dont build many plain exotic forearm/wood handle
 
dave sutton said:
les i was not meaning to disrespect your buisness. my personal method is much different. our climates are much alike very humid. maybe i take too much care. too much is better then too fast IMO. i am now turning my coring dowels over a year old. sitting climate controled with a dehumidifier. when i buy from bell forest i buy 18'' long 1'' dowels. so mine are already round. i find i get most movement in my initial cut. so i want as much there for that movement.
so i go from 1'' to .900 let it sit 2 months or more
then to .800 sit 1 month or more
.750 1 month
.700 1 month
.640 ready
(im only coring .650)

thats my first 10

now i started on my next 10 already

10 will last me forever bc i dont build many plain exotic forearm/wood handle
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it's ok sir. i never thought of it as disrespect in any way. it was very nice of you to point it out, because i also had the chance to explain. you were right in all your points and your being more careful than most is the reason why you make great cues. it is i who needs to apologize since i was wrong by not indicating clearly our whole process, which might have led to some conclusions. :sorry: we look up to US cuemakers, specially the ones who really take critical steps, regardless of how long it will take, in making their well-crafted cues. you guys are the reason why we try so hard to improve and you all provide inspiration to us in continuing our craft. it's really hard to make somebody wait for a cue, as many think it is as easy as 1-2-3... but i'd rather swallow the bitter pill of constant pressure and bugging from customers (no sarcasm meant but it's the truth), than give the customer a cue which will show defect in a month or two, or even after a year... as our primary goal is to give someone a cue that will last a lifetime as much as possible. but as wood is 'moving' in its natural state, we don't and will never claim that our cues are invulnerable to warping, thus our warranty offering. :)


*just on the side, the ashwood we use are 6 years old, and the bem/tiger maple are a year or two set-aside. most of the other exotic woods we use, are of course coming from your country, and although kiln-dried, we let them stand for at least several months before even making the first turn. :)
 
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poolplayer2093 said:
These videos are cool to see from a cue user point of view. is he making threads or is that just space for the glue to expand?

how many of your cues are in the states? any in california? any trouble with the wood moving after the cues have been stateside for a while???
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hello,

i took over the 'business-side' of the business about only a year ago and it was only then that we started keeping records. for the record, here are the cues i have sent since i sat down in a period of one year:

singapore - 13
vietnam - 1
HK - 4
thailand - 1
indonesia - 3
china - 2
germany - 2
romania - 3
australia - 2
USA - 2 [Illinois & NY](3 more to ship for the month of december 2009)

bebot has old customers in the US for so long, even before i even knew the cuemaker. if my estimate is correct. it should be close to 15-20. the american customer is even a frequent visitor in our country and so far, he hasn't given us any bad news about warping and other defects which might be caused by climate changes. we also have some cues in ireland, new zealand, denmark, UK, but i don't have the DHL invoice as record, only pictures, as the cuemaker wasn't keeping tab of all shipments before i came about. i was even surprised with one e-mail i received saying he has a bebot cue since 2007 and he says nothing about problems with the cue - he's from denmark. as one can see, we have cues in countries where the weather is very much different from ours but we're happy our cues continue to withstand such climates. but again, though we haven't gotten any news of any problems yet in all these years, we do not and will never say our cues are invulnerable - that is why we offer warranty. :)


Les
 
dave sutton said:
wel les time is key and dont ever be scared to tell someone no if what they want isnt right
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yeah... how i wish everybody understands the long and tiring process. it's really stressful answering e-mails almost everyday from some asking for updates. :( do they even know that the first 3-4 months they won't see anything in their cue except pieces of wood being turned slowly & settled? that even when the cue is already assembled it still takes months to watch for movement specially in the forearm/handle joining point? my pink ivory cue was still moving slightly even when it's almost 80% done... that's why it took an additional 3-4 months to complete. oh my... it's really hard to some understand that what we're doing are not dime-a-dozen cues that sell cheap on eBay. :frown: i don't really take it against them, they are customers of course... but i would have expected some considerations at least. not seeing one's cue in-progress doesn't mean it's not being done. :sorry:


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sorry, i just had to let this steam out. :frown: it's been a stressful month for us.
 
the_general said:
yeah... how i wish everybody understands the long and tiring process. it's really stressful answering e-mails almost everyday from some asking for updates. :( do they even know that the first 3-4 months they won't see anything in their cue except pieces of wood being turned slowly & settled? that even when the cue is already assembled it still takes months to watch for movement specially in the forearm/handle joining point? my pink ivory cue was still moving slightly even when it's almost 80% done... that's why it took an additional 3-4 months to complete. oh my... it's really hard to some understand that what we're doing are not dime-a-dozen cues that sell cheap on eBay. :frown: i don't really take it against them, they are customers of course... but i would have expected some considerations at least. not seeing one's cue in-progress doesn't mean it's not being done. :sorry:


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sorry, i just had to let this steam out. :frown: it's been a stressful month for us.
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Hahahaha ....... try dealing with all that plus phone calls, AND be the only one building & repairing the cues. Atleast there are two of you, one secretary & one craftsman. Try being both. I could sure use an extra hand.
 
qbilder said:
Hahahaha ....... try dealing with all that plus phone calls, AND be the only one building & repairing the cues. Atleast there are two of you, one secretary & one craftsman. Try being both. I could sure use an extra hand.
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any ppl wonder why i am so hard to get ahold of sometimes. on top of being the only in the shop i juggle a full time job work all night and sleep all day. i start work at 2 am
 
...and i'm not even the cuemaker for heaven's sake. i could just imagine what pressure bebot has been through each time i relayed those follow-ups and all... at least now i know i'm not the only one who has to extend so much patience. thanks for sharing guys... :)
 
the_general said:
...and i'm not even the cuemaker for heaven's sake. i could just imagine what pressure bebot has been through each time i relayed those follow-ups and all... at least now i know i'm not the only one who has to extend so much patience. thanks for sharing guys... :)
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thank you for the video!!!! and your time to answere the questions, I could tell the man in the video is very skilled. I never had a doubt about your cues.
 
qbilder said:
Hahahaha ....... try dealing with all that plus phone calls, AND be the only one building & repairing the cues. Atleast there are two of you, one secretary & one craftsman. Try being both. I could sure use an extra hand.
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WHERE IS MY CUE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!YOU SAID.........:eek::wink:


Just kidding, on a serious note, anyone who is a demanding customer wouldnt be my customer if I was a cue maker. period. people that dont understand custom cues shoudnt buy them from cue makers, they should buy finished cues from dealers and get a education on what it really involves to build a cue.

Only one time did I ask a cue maker for a favor, I didnt have a collection at the time and wanted a player, so i waited a year instead of 10. I used the cue for 7 years. You saw it Eric the ebony cue with ivory points no veneers.

People who understand cues and cue makers are the ones who get the cues, not the demanding A-holes. From what I have seen. I understand getting anixous about a cue but still it will show up when the time is right, you cant force Mother Nature or a "Real" cue builder.


best

eric
 
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