More deflection with a 30" shaft?

well. if you try to break a 4 inch pc of wood over your knee then a 12 inch pc. which do u think will break easier.

so i say yes

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Many cuemakers, myself included, know that shorter cues play better without doubt. My personal cue is 57". Call Joey Gold & try to order a longer Cog.:grin:
 
spliced said:
Have any of you noticed increased amounts of deflection in a 30" shaft vs a 29" shaft, particularly on LD shaft like predator, OB, etc?
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No. Deflection is directly related to the last 6" of the shaft. Being an inch longer or shorter will not affect deflection, and if someone tells you so, I guarantee you there are factors they aren't considering that are causing it. NOT the overall length.
 
Varney Cues said:
Many cuemakers, myself included, know that shorter cues play better without doubt. My personal cue is 57". Call Joey Gold & try to order a longer Cog.:grin:
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But can you give me an answer as to WHY a shorter cue would play better? Whippiness? Cant that be controlled by taper? I dont know Joey Gold and I've never played a Cog so I cant give his cues an opinion, but there are 59" szambotis and tascs out there. If the front 6" is hollowed out, all things being equal, why would a 29" squirt the cueball less than a 30"? It doesnt make sense.
 
the OP in the other thread did, Royce said he never heard of such a problem
 
> I ordered a couple 30" Schon shafts one time,and even with the ivory ferrules,both were dramatically more flexible or "whippy" than the 29"s I have are,supposedly even with the same taper,at 13.25mm.

The 29"s I still have are original to the cue,and are down to about 12.5-6mm(not bad for 18 years of play),and are still stiffer than that set of 30"s are,even though those are now down to just a hair over 13mm,in 8 years.

Joey Gold so strongly believes that 57.5" (28.75 equal length) is the best for his desired performance that he simply will not make anything other than that,making an exception for extra-length shafts,not deviating at all on the 28.75 butt. Even that is rare,I've only heard of a couple people getting those. Tommy D.
 
Increased shaft length has nothing to do with increased deflection.
If a comparison is being made btwn. two 'test' shafts and everything about these shafts is identical, ie taper, flex-point, diameter, etc., the only difference being that one is 1" longer than the other, I'd attribute any differences in deflection to the fact that they are two different pieces of wood. No two pieces of wood are the same, nor will they play the same.

I'd venture a guess that Joe Gold does not build his cues with much concern for the deflection factor. His cues are known for their 'hit' which is very stiff.

Look at it this way. You can have a shaft 58" long and not use a handle.
It's called a 1 pc house cue.
That IS NOT going to change the deflection characteristics of THAT cue.

Another example : Add that extra 1" to the butt-end of the cue.
The shaft doesn't care where the joint is. It's going to deflect exactly the same.
 
I would think it would only matter where they hid that extra 1". Twords the joint shouldn't make a difference, at the tip or into the taper would. I have a 29" and 30" ob2, i'll look to see where the the difference is, or Royce might pop in and comment. I can tell you that the 30" plays stiffer than my 29", BUT they are different joints, the 30" being a 5/16 piloted stainless and the 29" being a radial. I prefer the radial..... I just got the other butt back, so i will play around tonight with the 29" and 30" ob2 shafts and make a list..

On second thought, I have a 30" CAM shaft and several 29" CAM shafts, only difference is the tip dia. the 30" 12mm shaft deflects much less than the 12.75 and 13mm shafts. I will also look to see where the length is added.

I think shaft dia and taper would play a bigger role in deflection than length.
 
In KJ's point of two test shafts would not the flex point move with the 1" longer shaft given the same diameter ect? My shaft turning setup allows me to make a 31 1/2" shaft length but all the extra length is on the ferrule side which changes the kick/flex point just as a golf club does. Seems that as many have said that it would depend on where the extra length is added. As Sheldon says, it should make no difference, that there is some other considerations to take into effect. So, who decided how long house cues were going to be?
Bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com
 
spliced said:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=166135

This is a question carried over from a thread in the main forum. Have any of you noticed increased amounts of deflection in a 30" shaft vs a 29" shaft, particularly on LD shaft like predator, OB, etc?

Thank you
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Technically, no it won't squirt more.
But it also will squirt more depending on how the player holds the cue on the handle. If he were to hold the same area as before(using the shorter shaft) then it will increase squirt.

What I want to say is that you actually move your bridge back. This actually equates to increase front end mass without the player realizing it.
 
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