Seriously! 4th place! That's gotta be worth something aint it?
Update on the Des Moines pool scene
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4th! YES.
Back to business. How did Geoff and Pet turn out? Tom and Brian finish their marathon set?
2 times as many posts as me. WOw
Pet was up a bit. Not sure how much. They adjusted from the 8 and no games to the 8 and maybe a game or two. Not sure how it ended up.
As for Tom, he ran over Brian AND ME! LOL we both gave him 4 to 7 and played at the same time. He ran from one table to the other busting us up!
Still hemorrhaging!(but not as bad as Brian lol!)
We had an issue at league last night.
Id like everyone opinion on it, HONEST opinion. I will tell you the story, then tell you the outcome.
Allan P. came out to play last night with our team. This was his first night this session.(therefor he doesn't have a handicap yet). The first two games he played went uneventful and he scored a 6 and a 4. The first round we lost scratch by 1 point. not counting handicaps.
We won the second round irregardless of handicaps. The third round Allan approached me and said, what do I need to do here. I told him to run out if he can, if not, fewer is better! He had a trapped ball after he attempted to run out, banged a few balls around and ended up slopping in 3 balls in one shot, relinquished his turn, ended up losing that game after blatantly dogging the ball before the 8. he scored a 6.
at the moment, for us to win the first round, Allan needs to be a 3 handicap which means he can't make a ball in the last game.
Their scorekeeper conversed with me the status of the previous round as to what was needed to win/lose the rounds. I let Allan know what was going on(minus the fact that he needed to make zero balls) and told him that fewer is better and none is best!
Their scorekeeper told Allan's opponent to run out and then scratch on the 8. Forcing Allan to get a 10 the last round.
after a few balls were made and a bump or two here and there, Allan gets a good look at the 8 ball and directly banks it in.
I thought This was good for us as only one solid was pocketed(which means Allan gets a 1) and his handicap is a 4(which I thought was good enough at the time! Damn I can't add!)
So, what I thought was a good play to get the first point and then still have a shot at winning the last round if we overcome the 10-1, went south as we ended up tying the first round losing it because of wins and losing overall 2-3.
All this being said and done by the rules, did I invade the integrity of the game by having Allan do this? Is this foul?(not A foul, but just foul!) At what point is dogging a game to gain a round point worth the sportsmanship(or lack their of)?
I understand that by having a non-handicapped league would erase any sort of "working the system" aka sandbagging, but with the rules of starting with no handicap at the beginning, this will be and has been taken advantage of. And it has been stated several times that a NON-handicapped league would only have maybe 6 or 7 teams in it.
Looks like my vote to start the league with an established handicap would have been a good idea!!!
:shrug:
what say you?
Id like everyone opinion on it, HONEST opinion. I will tell you the story, then tell you the outcome.
Allan P. came out to play last night with our team. This was his first night this session.(therefor he doesn't have a handicap yet). The first two games he played went uneventful and he scored a 6 and a 4. The first round we lost scratch by 1 point. not counting handicaps.
We won the second round irregardless of handicaps. The third round Allan approached me and said, what do I need to do here. I told him to run out if he can, if not, fewer is better! He had a trapped ball after he attempted to run out, banged a few balls around and ended up slopping in 3 balls in one shot, relinquished his turn, ended up losing that game after blatantly dogging the ball before the 8. he scored a 6.
at the moment, for us to win the first round, Allan needs to be a 3 handicap which means he can't make a ball in the last game.
Their scorekeeper conversed with me the status of the previous round as to what was needed to win/lose the rounds. I let Allan know what was going on(minus the fact that he needed to make zero balls) and told him that fewer is better and none is best!
Their scorekeeper told Allan's opponent to run out and then scratch on the 8. Forcing Allan to get a 10 the last round.
after a few balls were made and a bump or two here and there, Allan gets a good look at the 8 ball and directly banks it in.
I thought This was good for us as only one solid was pocketed(which means Allan gets a 1) and his handicap is a 4(which I thought was good enough at the time! Damn I can't add!)
So, what I thought was a good play to get the first point and then still have a shot at winning the last round if we overcome the 10-1, went south as we ended up tying the first round losing it because of wins and losing overall 2-3.
All this being said and done by the rules, did I invade the integrity of the game by having Allan do this? Is this foul?(not A foul, but just foul!) At what point is dogging a game to gain a round point worth the sportsmanship(or lack their of)?
I understand that by having a non-handicapped league would erase any sort of "working the system" aka sandbagging, but with the rules of starting with no handicap at the beginning, this will be and has been taken advantage of. And it has been stated several times that a NON-handicapped league would only have maybe 6 or 7 teams in it.
Looks like my vote to start the league with an established handicap would have been a good idea!!!
:shrug:
what say you?
I had Jamie do something like this week 1, where if he got beat 10-0 the last round we actually would win rounds 1 and 2. I thought it was a shitty thing to do but strategic if you will.
2 weeks later a letter came out from Geoff saying people who shoot the 8 in on purpose to lose will be in violation of the good sportsmanship rule of the league and subject to being kicked out.
Since Geoff is on your team i find it hard to believe this happened, since he feels its a bad thing to do.
And your idea was dumb, thats why only 1 other person agreed with you.
2 weeks later a letter came out from Geoff saying people who shoot the 8 in on purpose to lose will be in violation of the good sportsmanship rule of the league and subject to being kicked out.
Since Geoff is on your team i find it hard to believe this happened, since he feels its a bad thing to do.
And your idea was dumb, thats why only 1 other person agreed with you.
HMMM I didn't think anyone agreed with me. But curious as to why you think its dumb? Do you have a reason? Or do you just not understand how it works so its dumb? So sh!t like this and what you guys did week 1 can happen? But you are the one for equality, right? Or You'd rather work the system as I did?(even though I voted for stuff like this not to happen!)Which is it? Cake? eat it? Both? Get in where ya fit in?
I dont agree with the "working of the system" but apparrently since you thought my idea was dumb, you agree with it? And when dumb shit like this comes up, people either say" well, its within the rules" or "how dare you just ruin the integrity of the game!" depending on which side of the equation they are on.
My whole team thought the idea of it was wrong and in the end, wanted to replay the game to be sportsmanlike.
Geoff didn't know it was going on as he was running the valley playoff thingy. And I forgot all about the letter he sent out about it. I couldn't even tell you what it said. But even he is privy to "working the handicap" as one is being established from scratch.
Mike, this is how I believe we use to run our league in Des Moines. It still can be fudged though. But having an established handicap from previous years would fix 95% of this. Sure you are going to have the occasional person that is new to the league, and then you could maybe use the first 2 or 3 weeks as an average. But to just use the first week as the handicap leaves alot of 'movement'.
Handicapping sucks and makes people do stupid things to win rounds. If you can't have a handicap for your first two plays, then you are just playing even the first 2 weeks anyway. Then if you have over five players on your team, only part of your team will get the handicap for some of the weeks. This makes it unfair to the larger team.
If you come into the league with an established handicap, they you could be playing way different then you did in the past. This could go both ways.
The way we have it now, the first week of league can have HUGE swings. A team could lose 14 out of 20 games and win 3-2. Then, any time you add a new player, their score doesn't really matter that week because they will get a big handicap for losing anyway.
However you handicap it, little changes. It's not like we are playing for much anyway and the team tournaments don't use handicaps. Mostly we are playing to get weeks in and hopefully some of our money back.
If you come into the league with an established handicap, they you could be playing way different then you did in the past. This could go both ways.
The way we have it now, the first week of league can have HUGE swings. A team could lose 14 out of 20 games and win 3-2. Then, any time you add a new player, their score doesn't really matter that week because they will get a big handicap for losing anyway.
However you handicap it, little changes. It's not like we are playing for much anyway and the team tournaments don't use handicaps. Mostly we are playing to get weeks in and hopefully some of our money back.
Brad, i would rather play scratch. Of course i have the team to be able to do that aswell.
Handicapping will always lead to *cheating* the system and crying. There is noway around this, nothing will ever be fair in everyones eyes.
What Justin said is whats right. We are playing for next to no money. Winning the league means nothing but a few dollars more. At the end of the day the best teams in the league will still be at the top like they are now.
..just to clear it up. I don't care at all about what you did.
Handicapping will always lead to *cheating* the system and crying. There is noway around this, nothing will ever be fair in everyones eyes.
What Justin said is whats right. We are playing for next to no money. Winning the league means nothing but a few dollars more. At the end of the day the best teams in the league will still be at the top like they are now.
..just to clear it up. I don't care at all about what you did.
just to clear up what your trying to clear up..... you care or you wouldn't respond to me. So stop trying to be hard when your really a softy.
oke:So for the REST of you that DO or DON'T care, the other team was really upset at what happened and it really made me think about it. I actually felt bad about following the rules and guidelines of the league and using it and stretching to to the limit to benifit our team for a "round point". was it worth it? I dunno. I guess thats what I am asking.........not if you care what happened to me or anyone else, just in general.
And the people that said "whats in it? just a couple of bucks? It doesn't really mean anything. we are just getting our weeks in." Well then why not come to league, pay your money and then just leave?
Isn't it about pride? Isn't it about competing? Isn't it about the commradery? Or is it ALL about the prize at the end?
Why go to state? For the $$$? Child, Please! We all know that unless you win(or maybe get second) there is little to no money to be had.
Its about the competition. I want to go to state and maybe vegas and do well. Those are my goals.
For your team/other teams and most of my team its about getting out for a night. Thats why you guys match up after league, and my team goes to dogs and plays 1pkt.
If i could just go to league and pay my dues i would
lol
I reply to you because we have nothing else to talk about atm. Plus you asked for opinions, i said i dont care that you did what you did. I wouldnt care if you did it to our team either.
For your team/other teams and most of my team its about getting out for a night. Thats why you guys match up after league, and my team goes to dogs and plays 1pkt.
If i could just go to league and pay my dues i would
lolI reply to you because we have nothing else to talk about atm. Plus you asked for opinions, i said i dont care that you did what you did. I wouldnt care if you did it to our team either.
Its about the competition. I want to go to state and maybe vegas and do well. Those are my goals.
For your team/other teams and most of my team its about getting out for a night. Thats why you guys match up after league, and my team goes to dogs and plays 1pkt.
If i could just go to league and pay my dues i would
I reply to you because we have nothing else to talk about atm. Plus you asked for opinions, i said i dont care that you did what you did. I wouldnt care if you did it to our team either.
Sorry, I took what you said out of context. I took it as though you said you don't care about me or what I do which I know isn't true and that you love me and have a secret mancrush on me! :hug: :barf:
Our team does plays to get out for a night. But, we also play league and gamble to get ready for state and do well. Most of our team's only chance to get out and play against other people is at league and have some sort of competition. If we just wanted to bang balls around and drink a few beers, we would just stay home and do that and avoid the consequences for getting home at 1AM+!!!
I wish on league nights i could get home by 1am
3-4 seems way more fun. The next morning is kind of rough.
3-4 seems way more fun. The next morning is kind of rough.
I wish on league nights i could get home by 1am
My wife wishes the same thing about me! Last 4 or 5 weeks its been closer to 2 if not 3! :duck:
She continually tells me that nothing ever good happens after midnight. Little does she know that thats when all the fun things DO happen!!!
I've yet to get home before midnight and say to myself "WOW, that was a fun night!"
Just to clear things up...I've yet to get in a good gambling match before midnight. I've yet to get in some good drinking before midnight. I've yet to get in some good poker before midnight. Those things = fun. Not what you dirty minded people are thinking of!!!
I had two gambling matches before midnight on Monday..."Good" gambling matches??? No, but I was in action.
You know you gotta wear your opponent down before you bust them up. Mikey F. told me all about how you strung him along and wore him down and then pummeled him(AFTER MIDNIGHT!!!).