Thanks dick my wife ruturned his money in full last night via paypal
A new spin on our live centers
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All this and I'm not allowed to post that I have a piece of wood for sale in this section.
Something is certainly wrong here.
On both accords... it is no way to do business.
IMO.....................
Something is certainly wrong here.
On both accords... it is no way to do business.
IMO.....................
Eric Wynne
Banned
Another satisfied customer ... This guy sells stuff he doesn't have in stock , then sends you something else ... His response is he doesn't want to do anymore business ... Same thing happened to me ... Please call me a liar to my face ...This guy is a pelican , steer clear ... 
Another satisfied customer ... This guy sells stuff he doesn't have in stock , then sends you something else ... His response is he doesn't want to do anymore business ... Same thing happened to me ... Please call me a liar to my face ...This guy is a pelican , steer clear ...
I see only one common denominator in these transactions? Answer: Lee.
Notice I said....again. He invited me to an expo to duke it out before. Let him deny it? Now he wants his son to fight me?? Really??
My problem with Lee started over one of his "any interest in these" threads involving a flexible keyboard. I simply asked what was better about his "proposed" item that made it worth 4x's what could be had on Ebay. Anyone who contemplated selling something like that should have preempted that question with WHY in the first place. I gave him the opportunity to do so and HE WENT OFF.
I don't seek out ANYONE to criticize. However, the man's IMMEDIATE response PUBLICLY was to call this man a liar and say "he has NEVER had problems with his product". Well, I know that is a lie and I simply passed on my experience with a live center just as others have chimed in to say how nice a man they think Lee is. Well, how nice some think he is isn't the point here, is it?
He also stated he doesn't want to talk on the phone, instead bringing this out...once again, publicly. I find this accurate, as he never answered when I called either.
All this would have been unnecessary had he just returned some guy's phone call within a week.....period.
I took the post the same way, that Lee had threatened violence either thru pm or phone, etc. He has hinted at that before to someone, during another back and forth fight of words, like this one, awhile back.
It's just to bad, he has some great products, but not worth the aggravation. There are much better men out there to buy from.
Dave
have you sent back my center? Your money was refunded in full
your right dick the same few poeple that follow these and bash me.... For one that eric wayne keeps emailing me and saying out of the way things so i tell him im not interested in dealing with someone like that no matter what you do you cant satisfy him so why deal with someone like him sometimes money even isnt werth dealing with someone and eric is one of those poeple!!!! So i most certianly did tell him to hit the road
now that dave 38 also likes to jump on when its none of his business he thinks hes so kind of expert and can knock down everything funny i never see any of these guys at the shows anywhere!!!! I spend thousands doing these shows bringing good quality products to my customers what do these few do? Nothing even you dick with some health issues get out and suport me and other vendors i have always apreciated that and look forward to seeing you every show. My ways may be differant but i will stick to guns like with mr brewster his money has been refunded funny he doesnt mention that will see if i get my center back but after what lenoard said i doubt it
i did find out what lenoard said is true ups does have a so called watch list of shady customers a close friend in ups told me this after reading what he said i just had to call and ask .
One thing when the smoke clears i still have the best live centers out there for the money and will continue to help
cuemakers and repair poeple all over with quality products
at a fair price thanks to all my friends and loyal customers
lee
i feel the same way about you dave not worth dealing with!
But thanks on the great products statment
That was 16 years ago and leonards fault not mine. Leonard Bludworth is way out of line and now you are just bashing and making stuff as usual. I have not posted untill now to defend myself. Looks like you have rekindled the flame. If your centers are so great why did you copy them from Joe Porper? Like I said before you chose all of this not me. You must have wanted me to post otherwise you would have addressed the issue within a reasonable amount of time.
It's funny though, you didn't have a problem taking my money in the past, when I bought stuff and didn't complain about anything. The products are usually fine Lee, it's the man behind them that is the issue. I tend to react vocally about people like you that treat their customers badly when they complain about your bad customer service. There have been way too many posts in the past by others about sending you money for payment, and no response to calls, emails, etc. until they post about it here, then you respond pretty quickly and usually act all rightous, etc. Or how you steal someone else's ideas, etc. and the list goes on. I use to stand up for you a couple of years ago, until I noticed a repeating pattern that actually got worst. As to going to a show to support you??? I don't have the money to go to shows just so I can show that I support you, or anyone else for that matter. I do my supporting using a phone or email to buy goods from suppliers that return calls and emails and act honorably. Recently, even though I knew better, I gave you a chance again, through your ebay store, with the auction of one of your leather wrap kits. The auction had, say we say, some shady shenanigans, before ending with me the winner at max bid, after bidder X bid high then at the last second, canceled their bid. Someone told me that it happens alot on your auctions. They call that shill bidding, so I then read thru your feedback, I saw someone else complaining of the same thing happening to them, that's when I realized you are not the man I want to ever deal with again.
Unfortunatly I don't think you will never understand that you cannot be the way you are and expect no one to complain just because 'you've done so much for the industry', to use your own words. You sell in the public forum, then the public can complain here also, as a warning if nothing else, to newbies that usually only hear how great your products are. A lot of people have had good luck with you, but there are just as many that haven't. Some have spoken up, but some just take the lesson and move on and just don't deal with you.
Sorry if you feel chased on the forum at times, but you open the door yourself. I'm sure you'll keep doing business your way, and so there will be plenty of people chasing you around.
Enjoy, I will not partake of any of your threads, or threads about you, and will definetly not buy anymore of your items!
Dave
just send back my center your funds have been returned
and my centers are not like porpers in any way when his wear out your done
thats a good idea stay out of my posts i dont jump in yours all the time i dont like you one bit but you dont see me slamming you or budding in your posts ill say again for your and mr brewster my live centers are the best out there bar none and also have replacable parts so they dont have to be thrown out like dave mentioned a porper center
Let me start by saying.......I have no dog in this hunt.
I also have never purchased anything from Lee but have looked at a lot of his stuff and have to say that some of it could be very helpful in the cue building field.
As a person standing on the outside and looking in, I have but one thought at this time.
Lee, when your in any business and dealing customers, you are going to have some that may not be satisfied with what you may have to offer. Whether it be product or service it is your job to make your customers satisfied. Just because someone is not satisfied you can't just blow them off and expect to continue to excel in any business no matter what field your in.
Of course there are always three sides to every story and only you and your customers know what all three are. My thoughts are based on what I've read in this thread.
I believe if you had worked as hard to make your customers satisfied as you have defending yourself in this thread we wouldn't have had to read over half of the posts here.
I hope for future reference you may take that into consideration and your business continues to grows.
I also have never purchased anything from Lee but have looked at a lot of his stuff and have to say that some of it could be very helpful in the cue building field.
As a person standing on the outside and looking in, I have but one thought at this time.
Lee, when your in any business and dealing customers, you are going to have some that may not be satisfied with what you may have to offer. Whether it be product or service it is your job to make your customers satisfied. Just because someone is not satisfied you can't just blow them off and expect to continue to excel in any business no matter what field your in.
Of course there are always three sides to every story and only you and your customers know what all three are. My thoughts are based on what I've read in this thread.
I believe if you had worked as hard to make your customers satisfied as you have defending yourself in this thread we wouldn't have had to read over half of the posts here.
I hope for future reference you may take that into consideration and your business continues to grows.
Tap, tap, tap..... Dave.... well said....
I have bought from Lee before and it took much more time than I expected to get what I ordered. I wanted some various pins, and there were a few things listed on the website that wasn't in stock, and I found that frustrating.
If things aren't in stock, why would you list them for sale?
I finally submitted an order of pins and a v-blank from him. I had to email and call several times to see what the deal was and even after a few weeks, he hadn't even cut the blank yet I think that is unprofessional. I tried to cancelled my order, but before I did, he emailed me saying how it would be sent out the next day. It took another two weeks to get it.
I have bought from him on more than one occasion, and consistent communication on a professional level doesn't appear to exist with Lee. There have been several unanswered emails pertaining to questions about products on his website.
He has a great product line on his website, and I think he means to do the right thing, but for some reason he blows off his customers as if he can't the work load properly or manage his time on a professional level.
I am not here to add to the fire, just giving some honest customer feedback that I think would help Lee reflect on is business practices and maybe, once-and-for-all, cure the root of the problem which appears to be repeating itself far too often from what I can tell, lately.
I have bought from Lee before and it took much more time than I expected to get what I ordered. I wanted some various pins, and there were a few things listed on the website that wasn't in stock, and I found that frustrating.
If things aren't in stock, why would you list them for sale?
I finally submitted an order of pins and a v-blank from him. I had to email and call several times to see what the deal was and even after a few weeks, he hadn't even cut the blank yet I think that is unprofessional. I tried to cancelled my order, but before I did, he emailed me saying how it would be sent out the next day. It took another two weeks to get it.
I have bought from him on more than one occasion, and consistent communication on a professional level doesn't appear to exist with Lee. There have been several unanswered emails pertaining to questions about products on his website.
He has a great product line on his website, and I think he means to do the right thing, but for some reason he blows off his customers as if he can't the work load properly or manage his time on a professional level.
I am not here to add to the fire, just giving some honest customer feedback that I think would help Lee reflect on is business practices and maybe, once-and-for-all, cure the root of the problem which appears to be repeating itself far too often from what I can tell, lately.
QUOTE=brianna187;2376584]thats a good idea stay out of my posts i dont jump in yours all the time i dont like you one bit but you dont see me slamming you or budding in your posts ill say again for your and mr brewster my live centers are the best out there bar none and also have replacable parts so they dont have to be thrown out like dave mentioned a porper center[/QUOTE]
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Dave thanks for your input
let start by saying this guy has blown this out of portion I custom made him a live center and it was brand new I always check these before sending them out I dont sell that many that I dont have the time to check them each he did get a good quality product I dont care what anyone says about good dealings with this guy not with us I should have learned my lesson and just passed when he ordered it. I dont care how good a business man anyone is there is a point where you just have to say no and I reached this point I did infact return his money via pay pal days ago which i can provide proof of this to anyone questioning me but he doesnt mention that or even say hes going to return my product i am not sending him another center for him to start even more bs I agree to many wasted posts here .
how about mike is my center being returned?
are you going to say I didnt return your funds?
you turned down the center a little on an item with a replacable center, big customizing. Give me a break. Like I said this is the center I rejected at the expo.
I have had several good dealings with Brianna. I had a problem with one item I purchased from him and emailed him about it and he sent out a replacement without any hassle. I think that Lee gets alot going on at once and it slows him down and he is slow at responding to his messages, but in the end I have always gotten a good product at a good price from him. I am not picking sides just telling my experience with Lee.