If I was promoting major pool tournaments!

[realkingcobra]

See, there is a problem with learning how to play pool too good in this country...and THAT problem is that MOST tournament directors want to BAN the better players from entering THEIR pool tournaments...lets call it "bad" for business for now. Well, a lot of these BETTER players don't quite make it to PRO either...because really, after all...what defines PRO in this game...when it BANS the player from MOST pool tournaments...YET, when there's a so called "PRO" event...anyone with an entry fee can get in and play the so called "PRO" that wasn't allowed in THEIR local pool tournaments....am I going some where with this yet?

Glen

 

[Luxury]

Stalling won't work, because if you're the one stalling and you're ahead on games won...stalling is going to allow your opponet to catch up to you...and stalling if you're behind....is just begging to lose

And in my tournament system, there WOULD be a 30 sec shot clock that either player could start at any time...BUT, if I was the faster player...and ahead on games...WHY....would I want to start the clock?...Think about it for a minute!!!

Glen

PS. If I'm ahead at the ding of the 2 hour bell...score 2-1...WHO cares....I WIN!

I can think of so many ways a player could stall while protecting their lead without giving an advantage to their opponent.

However I strongly encourage ANYONE who promotes using a shot clock all throughout a tournament. THIS is the best thing that could happen to pool from a spectator's perspective.

 

[realkingcobra]

I can think of so many ways a player could stall while protecting their lead without giving an advantage to their opponent.

However I strongly encourage ANYONE who promotes using a shot clock all throughout a tournament. THIS is the best thing that could happen to pool from a spectator's perspective.

Well...........you'd think twice about running out that 30 second clock if it meant more than just loosing your turn at the table...how about a one point win awarded to your opponent as well as loss of turn?

Glen

PS, call it a 1 point penalty foul

 

[Luxury]

Obviously the shot clock is the answer to all the snoozefest tournaments. But I have to wonder if shot clocks used during every match is feasible as it would be happening already if it were so easy.

 

[realkingcobra]

Think bigger people, I'm not talking about the $7.00 having fun entry level pool tournament, lets say I'm talking about a once a year 10 ball world championship minimum added $100,000 pool tournament...LIMITED to 64 players...single elimination, ALL getting paid "Real money" pool tournament

Glen

PS, if I had to guess though, the added would be closer to $500,000.

 

[realkingcobra]

Obviously the shot clock is the answer to all the snoozefest tournaments. But I have to wonder if shot clocks used during every match is feasible as it would be happening already if it were so easy.

They're used in chess all the time...only takes one player to start the clock

 

[realkingcobra]

I've spent a lot of time thinking about this and some of you know exactly what I'm talking about, and can see it coming

Glen

 

[Luxury]

I pray for the day when shot clocks are used the majority of the time. I have a vision for what successful pool would look like on tv where the audience would be very entertained and I have something faster than 30 second clocks being used actually.

That would be one of MANY changes that would be made. I totally encourage you and will be at Malarkeys to see how it goes.

 

[realkingcobra]

So, if you have 32 players, you have 16 first round matches....32 table hours(Thrs), then your second round A you have 8 matches...16 Thrs. And your second round B has 8 matches...16 Thrs. And the next round of B is another 8 matches ...16 Thrs. This adds up to 80 Thrs. So, if you have 8 tables, to get this far has taken 10 hours. you have had two half hour breaks...so 11 hours. if you have started at 10 am Saturday....you are now at 9pm. And have used 8 tables all day.

Now for next round of B, you have 4 matches(16Thrs) with 4 tables needed. And the A has 4 matches on 4 tables. So, you have used all 8 tables for 2 more hours to get here. it is now 11pm.

You have used 8 table from 10 am to 11pm. I dont know how big the halls would be, but if it doesn't have 16 plus tables, you are severely cutting intothe prime Saturday evening crowd. Anyway...

Sunday morning rolls around and you have to play still the semis and finals in A....and a round of 4 matches on B, as well as 2 rounds of 2 matches, and so on.

This is for 32 players with your format. I think this clearly shows that you do not understand the logistics or the business of pool. This is simply not a good venture. Can you imaginr the table and time requirements for a 64 player event?

The unfortunate thing is, many owners might actaully try this ridiculous plan. And then they would be turned off tournaments. I think you should stay out of pool promotion, you are bad for the game. An ignorant dreamer.

Your so called "ignorant dreamer" is smarter than you think, because with a single elimination format, I could run a 64 player tournament down to the final 4 remaining players in 8 hours of play...BECAUSE I would divide up the 64 players into 4 groups of 16 players each...and before I did this, I'd have already sold off the 4 perfect location pool rooms in the United States for this play off...one location in the north, south, east, and west....whereas 16 of the top players on earth would be putting on 4 of the greatest pool exhibitions in the history of this sport...all at the same time...leaving the final 4 for the fifth and final play off location the following weekend. Under my format...on one 9 1/2 hour Saturday, from noon to 9:30pm...in 4 pool rooms around the United States...we'd be down to the final 4...to be continued....

Glen

 

[realkingcobra]

I pray for the day when shot clocks are used the majority of the time. I have a vision for what successful pool would look like on tv where the audience would be very entertained and I have something faster than 30 second clocks being used actually.

That would be one of MANY changes that would be made. I totally encourage you and will be at Malarkeys to see how it goes.

Keep in mind, it's still pool and not a foot race

 

[Luxury]

And pool will get less and less tv coverage in a world with shorter and shorter attention spans unless it's overhauled big time.

 

[realkingcobra]

And pool will get less and less tv coverage in a world with shorter and shorter attention spans unless it's overhauled big time.

That's because we have the only professional sport...that no one really knows who the PROFESSIONALS are....because they don't stand out in a crowd of 10,000,000 amateurs. No other sport has amateurs mixed in with the Pro's like pool, not golf, bowling, tennis, boxing, mma, nothing...so why do they get tv and pool don't?...because pool don't have a PRO level status...that's why, there's no test to take, no par score, no pin average...and THAT"S what's wrong with pool...there is NO identifiable top end to this sport.

Glen

 

[cueandcushion]

Having the point foul added sounds like a good idea. When Serena Williams lost a big match due to threatening a line judge....it sent a big message. One point can have a devestating effect on a game. A first warning. A second warning. A One Ball penalty. A Two Ball Penalty. A One Game Penalty. A Two Game Penalty. A match Penalty.

Plenty of chances but players will adjust quickly if it means making money or not during a tournament. Not at the amatuer levels. If you had a 30 second clock for 8/9/10 Ball and a 40 second clock One pocket or something???

 

[markpatrick]

Speaking of tournaments?

Having the point foul added sounds like a good idea. When Serena Williams lost a big match due to threatening a line judge....it sent a big message. One point can have a devestating effect on a game. A first warning. A second warning. A One Ball penalty. A Two Ball Penalty. A One Game Penalty. A Two Game Penalty. A match Penalty.

Plenty of chances but players will adjust quickly if it means making money or not during a tournament. Not at the amatuer levels. If you had a 30 second clock for 8/9/10 Ball and a 40 second clock One pocket or something???

When is the next event? At the Cue and Custion.?????

 

[Luxury]

That's because we have the only professional sport...that no one really knows who the PROFESSIONALS are....because they don't stand out in a crowd of 10,000,000 amateurs. No other sport has amateurs mixed in with the Pro's like pool, not golf, bowling, tennis, boxing, mma, nothing...so why do they get tv and pool don't?...because pool don't have a PRO level status...that's why, there's no test to take, no par score, no pin average...and THAT"S what's wrong with pool...there is NO identifiable top end to this sport.

Glen

That's certainly ONE of the problems but in my opinion the biggest problem is the rules and games played on tv aren't entertaining enough to sit and watch and if the rules and format were changed it could be very entertaining for tv viewers.

 

[realkingcobra]

Having the point foul added sounds like a good idea. When Serena Williams lost a big match due to threatening a line judge....it sent a big message. One point can have a devestating effect on a game. A first warning. A second warning. A One Ball penalty. A Two Ball Penalty. A One Game Penalty. A Two Game Penalty. A match Penalty.

Plenty of chances but players will adjust quickly if it means making money or not during a tournament. Not at the amatuer levels. If you had a 30 second clock for 8/9/10 Ball and a 40 second clock One pocket or something???

I'd be a little leery of starting the clock if I were playing, knowing it works both ways. Slow playing has been used to wear down the other opponent, break the players concentration, drag a match out that should have ended in an hour to 4 1/2 hours later...still playing...and it's a race to 11?????? I think everyone's train of thought would change quite a bit knowing the deadline was coming up....in 23 more minutes...and the slow player is behind! Like I said, if it were me...and I was in the lead...I'd NEVER start that clock....nooooooooooooo just keep right on playing slow buddy....just 19 more minutes to go...and YOU lose, because you're behind by 4 games, takes 5 minutes to play a game...even if you won all the games in the last 15 minutes remaining....you still CAN'T win

Glen

 

[realkingcobra]

That's certainly ONE of the problems but in my opinion the biggest problem is the rules and games played on tv aren't entertaining enough to sit and watch and if the rules and format were changed it could be very entertaining for tv viewers.

I have rules that'll change 10 ball into something you wouldn't believe to watch already ran 3 tournaments with these rules...then stopped, saw what I wanted to see...and that was enough for me. Some of the players in the tournaments were Dan Louie, JD, Mike Z, Rich Geiler, Eddie Carrido, Timm Twedell, Frenchie...and many many others...they ALL loved the format and rules

Glen

 

[Luxury]

I have rules that'll change 10 ball into something you wouldn't believe to watch already ran 3 tournaments with these rules...then stopped, saw what I wanted to see...and that was enough for me. Some of the players in the tournaments were Dan Louie, JD, Mike Z, Rich Geiler, Eddie Carrido, Timm Twedell, Frenchie...and many many others...they ALL loved the format and rules

Glen

That's what I like to hear. Amazing if you can make something fun AND have the top players in my area like it.

 

[realkingcobra]

That's what I like to hear. Amazing if you can make something fun AND have the top players in my area like it.

Didn't you know...I'm from the Kent/Renton/Auburn area...this IS my backyard too ya know

 

[catpool9]

Different Formats

I have to say I've never really cared about the formats in which major pool tournaments are ran, I just don't think it brings out the best in the players, and causes to many arguments, so IF...I was promoting major pool tournaments...this would be the format:

10/9/8 ball tournaments:

Match starts on a 2 hour clock, meaning players WILL be playing their match for exactly 2 hours.

Wining that match would be decided by who has more wins at the end of 2 hours of play...OR...by receiving a knockout win by obtaining a 10 ahead spread over your opposite at any time during that 2 hour match. The knock out rule is to keep from dragging out lopsided matches for 2 hours.

Winner always breaks.

In the event of a tied score at the ding of the 2 hour bell, one last game is played after the bell to determine the winner.

If at the ding of the bell, the players are in the middle of a game, and that game won't change the out come of the winner, then that game is ended with no winner.

Between 2 hour sessions there would be a 30 min break before the next round starts, this 30 min break would be for then next round of players to warm up.

Under this format, players would know exactly when they were playing next, and exactly how long. Slow playing matches would have no effect on the 2 hour format.

I have other formats for 1 pocket and bank pool as well which would change how the tournaments are played playing this games too.

Glen

I think this format would be a very refreshing way to play tournaments, one thing for sure with winner breaks you would see began to see some packages put together, which for the spectators it makes the game exciting to watch, and the better players would most likely win.

And too, the weaker players would steadily get better week to week, tournament to tournament, because of all the run out play they would be observing, along with all the safety strategies,..ect., with the two hour matches.

It would be something new for tournament style play, and may just caught on, who knows!

The pool world really hates change, but we do need to try something different, what clicks, keep it, what dosen't , throw it out.

I wish there were tournament with no safteys allowed, play where you have to shoot at everything to go in a hole, if not your oponnent can make you shoot again.
"I know one thing you'll be amazed at the shots you start making and the game of pool seems to get easy to ya!"


David Harcrow