How would you handle this?

watchez

watchez

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Last week I sent out a text message to my teammates for the BCA in Vega$ asking what size shirt they wanted and get a response from one of them that states - sorry man I can't go, they fired two people where I work and now they won't let me get off work. Sadly, I paid this guy's share of the team entry fee as he said he would pay me when he got to Vega$. So I text him back, what about your entry fee? He at first plays dumb and states that he never paid it, as if then it was not an issue. When I remind him that I paid it for him, he says he will pay me back. Mind you, never mentions a date or time when I will get it.

Then I think, well him not going makes it so we no longer have enough players to field a team so all of our entry fees are basically worthless. Not even counting the extra days that people booked to stay in Vega$ to play in the team event. So my question is, should I hold this same player liable for everyone elses entry fees or just his share? I also think, this guy that I gave all the respect to and paid his entry fee has no respect for me or anyone else. What if I never sent him a text asking what size shirt he wanted? When was he planning on telling the rest of us that he wasn't able to go, whatever his excuse is (mind you, I don't believe his excuse).

I know my thoughts on this, guess they are kind of obvious. I think I will put him on TV the next time I see him. At least that will give me some of my money's worth.

I hate people.
 
watchez said:
Last week I sent out a text message to my teammates for the BCA in Vega$ asking what size shirt they wanted and get a response from one of them that states - sorry man I can't go, they fired two people where I work and now they won't let me get off work. Sadly, I paid this guy's share of the team entry fee as he said he would pay me when he got to Vega$. So I text him back, what about your entry fee? He at first plays dumb and states that he never paid it, as if then it was not an issue. When I remind him that I paid it for him, he says he will pay me back. Mind you, never mentions a date or time when I will get it.

Then I think, well him not going makes it so we no longer have enough players to field a team so all of our entry fees are basically worthless. Not even counting the extra days that people booked to stay in Vega$ to play in the team event. So my question is, should I hold this same player liable for everyone elses entry fees or just his share? I also think, this guy that I gave all the respect to and paid his entry fee has no respect for me or anyone else. What if I never sent him a text asking what size shirt he wanted? When was he planning on telling the rest of us that he wasn't able to go, whatever his excuse is (mind you, I don't believe his excuse).

I know my thoughts on this, guess they are kind of obvious. I think I will put him on TV the next time I see him. At least that will give me some of my money's worth.

I hate people.
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Well in these troubled time I offer these words of wisdom.

The true test of a leader is not how they perform when all is well but what they accomplish when things go to s_ _ _! or

Every coach deserves the team they get or how about

If Derek Disco had been running this show everybody would have got to Vegas on time and with fancy, shiny shirts intact
 
Tough spot, but you seem really upset about it. Give yourself a night to sleep on it before making any harsh decisions, or you may end up saying things you regret. I don't know how much advice you'll get from other people, because it's hard to put ourselves in your place since we don't know a lot of the details surrounding the situation. Just remember, if this person is a friend, it's not worth losing him over a trip to Vegas.

Also, did you really take the time to put a dollar sign for the 's' in Vegas every time? That's funny.
 
I have Dennis Spears from NY/NJ he would love to play against his team in Vegas that would not let him play with them. He is active BCA out of my place in SC. How much is the spot?

Mort
 
I'd find another guy/girl from your current league system that you can convince to go along. Make the first guy pay the $50 share of the entry anyway, but that is about it. If you try for other money it just ain't gonna happen.

You can still add someone to the team up until you sign-in in Vegas as long as they have 8 weeks in, in the same league #. If that league system has leagues on various nights, or multiple sessions you could pull anyone from all those places. Ask around!

OR, Just snap the entire tournament off with 4 players. How strong would that be giving up a game every 5 games.
 
stuckart said:
OR, Just snap the entire tournament off with 4 players. How strong would that be giving up a game every 5 games.
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That was basically already the plan as I was the 5th player on a Master's Team (in case you don't know I am not a Master caliber player but two years ago this plan got us 3rd). The way the BCA is setup and with players making up teams just so they are eligible to play in the Open Division, no one is going to want to move up into the Masters.

If this fool would have manned up and told us by April 24th that he had no intention of going, I could have gotten a refund from the BCAPL.
 
Your kidding right?

I'd be throwing cueballs and sticks!! It really sucks your friend doesn't have the Balls to back out to your face. In Minnesota we expect to go to vegas every year, so if your financially unwilling ,your not on the team!! Nice guys finish last when dealing with some people. His cue would be the mascot cue for the Vegas Trip!! good luck, hope you learned something there watchez,good luck better have him back out than go and not try. good luck mark
 
watchez said:
Can't play Mort - have to be in the same league.
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If you go to the directors of the tournament they have made exceptions, if the other guy has stat from his other league the right number of game played and current BCAPL fees paid and a good word from his league operator could do the trick. The BCAPL is not in the business of turning teams down.
 
Vegas

I have worked for some real winners in my life. Your friend may have the choise of losing his job, with house, wife and car to follow or go to Vega$. I'm not sure that it's that hard of a decision. However he does owe you the money.
 
Wha-shizzzz

You will not even be contemplating this issue when we are drinking and playing Pai Gow poker...

If you want to know my opinion...you are a better friend to most then they are to you!!

Glad to call you my friend ;);)...see you soon. :thumbup:
 
What do the other players on the beleagured team feel? Have they spoken with the pud?

Did Pud know of his work's problems before the cut-off date?

If I played all season long and won the right to go to Vegas, and one teammate ruined it for all, I'd be thinking wicked torture on the toadstool. :mad:
 
pay his fee, absolutely. everyone else's, you're kidding right? it's his responsibility to pay you the money you fronted for him, but the guy needs a job so you can't blame him for staying home. it's not his fault you can't find another player. as for him being a p*ssy and not calling you to tell you he's not going - i am not advocating violence - but him catching a mild beating next time you see him might not be outta line, but the cash stays in his pocket.
 
He owes you his money, maybe even some money for a replacement as one you find on short notice might not have funds.

I have said for years that working is always more important than pool. Sad he put you in this spot, but it is what it is.

Good luck in LV :)
 
I'd hold him responsible for HIS share of the entry and/or other fees and NOT for the entire team.

He is really not to fault here .... He has to earn a living, protect his job, support himself and family.

IMHO, of course.
 
horton129 said:
If you go to the directors of the tournament they have made exceptions, if the other guy has stat from his other league the right number of game played and current BCAPL fees paid and a good word from his league operator could do the trick. The BCAPL is not in the business of turning teams down.
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You're right, on occasion exceptions are made. For example, Joe plays 6 weeks in league and gets deployed to Iraq. He comes back in time to play in the tournament, but can't get the required 2 additional weeks. In a situation like that we would make an exception.

One exception we never make is to allow players to form teams from different leagues. All players must play in the same league. There are never exceptions to that rule. Sorry.

Bill Stock
BCA Pool League
CueSports International
 
8Ball48043 said:
I'd hold him responsible for HIS share of the entry and/or other fees and NOT for the entire team.

He is really not to fault here .... He has to earn a living, protect his job, support himself and family.

IMHO, of course.
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I agree with 8Ball. Yea it sucks the guy didn't tell you sooner, but do you know when he found this info out?

I think you should obviously get your money back, but NOT make him pay for the entire team. I think that's crazy!

Play in the team event anyway - everyone is already planning on going and has their plans set. This guy can't go now because of a hardship - everyone else can still go to Vegas and have fun. Next year put together another good team but don't ask this guy (even though it's unfortunate his circumstance).
 
Have you contacted the BCA to see what kind of exceptions they can make for your team?

I'm sure they will try to work with you on this.
 
You don't believe his excuse for backing out, you had to front his money because he was not willing to pony up his own dough to go to Vega$, and his not going leaves your entire team in the lurch...

Anyone not willing to put up their own cash to go to Vega$ can not be considered reliable ... you knew it when you put up his cash for him just to try to get your team there. He's unreliable and being mad at him for something you knew he was probably going to do is unreasonable. He obviously didn't want to go to begin with. He shouldn't of taken you up on your offer to front him the money and he should of made his intentions clear ... but at the same time, you shouldn't of thought he was going to follow through and go on the trip just because you wanted him to.

Have fun, go to Vega$ and enjoy it, don't sweat it ... next year replace the dude with someone more in line with your intentions.

P.S. I put the $ in Vega$ just for you!
 
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