CTE Aiming Systems - Fact or Fiction?

AtLarge said:
I think there must be something missing from this description. By "line up" do you mean "sight" rather than "aim?" Are you making any conscious offset of the stick from the sighted CTEL? How are you choosing your body placement? How are you choosing a point from which to pivot the stick?
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I was giving the super condensed version - just like the DAM system.

Sorry, I just get really tired of every time we are having these discussions on CTE - here comes Dave to tell us that the only way to aim is to use ALL available methods and go with the best guess.

It gets a little tedious to see him linking to this DAM method which he only created to MOCK people like Hal Houle.

In the other thread we are discussing CTEL and people are starting to contribute videos - I predict that we will come to a better understanding of the exact procedure.

Will we ever have a set of instructions that includes exact measurements?

Well I think it's certainly possible although they wouldn't do much good in a game since you aren't allowed to use any thing to mark the table.

Dave Segal has drawn up some diagrams which show foot placement and body alignment on "thick cut" as well as "thin cut" pivots. I'd suggest that people who want and need such information to start there.

My answer to Dave Alciatore could have also been like this - I visualize a ball sitting in line to the pocket and get down and shoot my cue ball straight into that ball. That's the GB method at it's simplest description.
 
LAMas said:
Slide,
You are correct, but for the novice, "double the distance" works well enough and is not correct, as you show, especially when the balls are very close together - you can see this in dr_dave's colostate link sprinkled throughout this thread by dave.

The beauty is that it is easy to grasp, diagram (at distance) and teach - for those that teach.
Thanks
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Double distance is an easy method to comprehend.

The triangle in my diagram represents the error.
Error is 0 with no cut
Error is very near 0 with extremely thin cuts.

I think the error hits a peak maybe at half a ball hit, or about
the angle I used.
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Slide,
Wow, a lot of silence...I'm used to that as well.

From a practical perspective:
If I might critique the utility of your diagram:

When a shooter is looking at the shot to see where the contact point going to the pocket is as well as the center of the OB - in order to double the distance. His eyes are in back of the CB which changes his view of the red/brown line in your diagram that goes from the center of the CB to the center of the OB. This will move the axis of the two red/brown lines back under the shooters dominant eye/chin as most.

When he gets down he should be lined up with the red line that goes from the CB to the dashed ghostball (GB).

This will decrease the included angle and the depicted dark triangle/error.

Your diagram is academicly correct, as shown, for pictures don't lie....and are worth 1K words.....usually.:)

Just sayin.
 
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I probably should stay away from this but for the record it is real.Not maybe but for sure.I know because I use it.Will it make you a champion probably not.It is not going to play position for you or make your stroke smooth.The reason I believe that nobody wants to make it public is frankly their are people that they wouldnt teach it to for love or money.Me included.But I am helping a few now.Will I post it for the public,not on your life.If someone that I helped does then thats them.
 
peteypooldude said:
I probably should stay away from this but for the record it is real.Not maybe but for sure.I know because I use it.Will it make you a champion probably not.It is not going to play position for you or make your stroke smooth.The reason I believe that nobody wants to make it public is frankly their are people that they wouldnt teach it to for love or money.Me included.But I am helping a few now.Will I post it for the public,not on your life.If someone that I helped does then thats them.
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Are you using the original CTE, or Pro One?
If you are familiar with both, why do you prefer one over the other?
 
Well, I have been reading this post and trying to understand it. I tried what I think is cte again yesterday, and again I got mixed results. What I did was Ron Vitellos 90/90, which lines up from cb edge to ob edge...and pivots back to center. Not sure if thats cte, but this was probably only my 5th attempt at a pivot method in the last 2 years. I have tried a few other variations with similar results, but I also understand its possible that I am simply too set in my own ways. (Also possible that I am just not doing it right.)

The main thing I dont like is how the bridge hand distance supposedly effects the shot. My numbers would probably get better if I understood and adjusted for that. If this is true, what do ya do when the cue ball is less than 10 inches away from your bridge? Another thing I dont like is the way you are supposed to automatically realize that the shot is gonna go in. How can you lock in on a shot line and feel its correct, when you could not imagine the right line to begin with? Seems like you need some kind of old method to correlate with the new. And what about contact throw? Does a cte guy slightly overcut a ball after he finds the line? I dont say this to be facetious, just trying to understand this a little better than I do.
 
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It's good to see more info and more videos. But I have to admit that after watching that video I am more confused than ever. It works for John, I can't deny that. Everybody seems to have a different variation of cte. Frankly, I still dont know what it really is. Never seen a parallel shift before, are there any step by step instructions? I will have to watch the vid a few more times.
 
Bambu said:
It's good to see more info and more videos. But I have to admit that after watching that video I am more confused than ever. It works for John, I can't deny that. Everybody seems to have a different variation of cte. Frankly, I still dont know what it really is. Never seen a parallel shift before, are there any step by step instructions? I will have to watch the vid a few more times.
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I really don't know why you can't deny IT works for John. John fires those balls in. He does now. He did before CTE, and he did before all the Houlishenanigans.

Imo,a person who watches that video and thinks John is finding some special pivot or tip arc or toe alignment or whatever that makes the balls is smoking dope...
 
mikepage said:
I really don't know why you can't deny IT works for John. John fires those balls in. He does now. He did before CTE, and he did before all the Houlishenanigans.

Imo,a person who watches that video and thinks John is finding some special pivot or tip arc or toe alignment or whatever that makes the balls is smoking dope...
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I concur,
What I would like to see in a vid would be a slowmotion from a top view to show the parallel shift and bridge location for all cut angles and tweeking.
 
Bambu said:
It's good to see more info and more videos. But I have to admit that after watching that video I am more confused than ever. It works for John, I can't deny that. Everybody seems to have a different variation of cte. Frankly, I still dont know what it really is. Never seen a parallel shift before, are there any step by step instructions? I will have to watch the vid a few more times.
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Detailed instructions of what I am doing are posted here http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/cte-students/
 
mikepage said:
I really don't know why you can't deny IT works for John. John fires those balls in. He does now. He did before CTE, and he did before all the Houlishenanigans.

Imo,a person who watches that video and thinks John is finding some special pivot or tip arc or toe alignment or whatever that makes the balls is smoking dope...
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John is finding the aiming line using the Center to Edge method as he knows it.

When John is on the right aiming line then he fires balls in. When not then he beats up the rails.

The "toe pivot" is John's way of knowing where to pivot after step 2 of the CTE method.

John knows what he is doing and it's not what Mike Page thinks he is doing.
 
LAMas said:
I concur,
What I would like to see in a vid would be a slowmotion from a top view to show the parallel shift and bridge location for all cut angles and tweeking.
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That video will be posted here http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/cte-students/

Just as soon as I can set up the camera to take overhead shots. Yesterday I tried to get it on video using my tall tripod but it is too difficult for me to get it all in frame.
 
JB Cases said:
That video will be posted here http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/cte-students/

Just as soon as I can set up the camera to take overhead shots. Yesterday I tried to get it on video using my tall tripod but it is too difficult for me to get it all in frame.
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Why would you not want to post your video and written procedure here? Not all of us want to join your small, censored group, but many of us would like to see what you present.

Thanks,
Dave
 
themack said:
Just look at his user on youtube, he posted it there, so it's not hard to find.
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Did he post the detailed procedure also? If so, please quote it here or post a link. In addition to the detailed procedure (ideally with accompanying illustrations), it would also be nice to see a video demonstration with an overhead view clearly showing what changes from one shot to another as the required cut angle changes. That would be useful, IMO.

Thanks,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Did he post the detailed procedure also? If so, please quote it here or post a link. In addition to the detailed procedure (ideally with accompanying illustrations), it would also be nice to see a video demonstration with an overhead view clearly showing what changes from one shot to another as the required cut angle changes. That would be useful, IMO.

Thanks,
Dave
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I guess it's unlisted on youtube. Here is the link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4SEJz7PujM
 
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