What would you do here??
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You either A-thin the 2ball putting the cue under the three-eight, or B-you can cut the 2 in the side with a stun shot with inside english bringing the cue two rails for position on the 3ball. The shot is a little harder with option B, but it does give you the opportunity to run out. If you dont get proper position on the 3ball to get to the four, you play safe on the three.
Here's the standard run out IMO. (3 pages to click on on lower right of table).
But we all know by now, ain't much standard with a Neil whaddya gunna do thread
Ahh hell, my cuetable gots holes in it and won't post right. Grrrr. Page 3 worked, but somehow I didn't carry over page 1 and 2 correctly.
But we all know by now, ain't much standard with a Neil whaddya gunna do thread
Ahh hell, my cuetable gots holes in it and won't post right. Grrrr. Page 3 worked, but somehow I didn't carry over page 1 and 2 correctly.
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two off the 6 in the side roll up for the 3 in the right corner, roll up for the 4 and 5 in the same corner, the 6 back in the same side rolling the CB back center table make the 7 in the corner, stop shot on the 8 and nine straight in up table in the left cornerr
this was a great plan untill i realized i didn't have ball in hand lmfao
this was a great plan untill i realized i didn't have ball in hand lmfao
I'd go 3 rails to get the 3 straight in on the upper left corner.
Float thru on the 3 getting a little angle on the 4. The rest is just laid out straight forward IMO, with only one ball that's hard. Making the 6 down the rail is the spring in this mousetrap IMO.
Float thru on the 3 getting a little angle on the 4. The rest is just laid out straight forward IMO, with only one ball that's hard. Making the 6 down the rail is the spring in this mousetrap IMO.
Neil,
Sadly my cue table edit software is no longer working, so I can't participate visually - and the code doesn't copy in detail to re-create the table. I just get a blank screen. Very frustrating.
Chris
Me too. I click on the table (Neil's in this case) and I go to the cuetable home/login page. I can no longer copy tables. I have no clue why that capability recently left me. I'm Boo hoo-in I tell ya.
So I started from scratch - I recreated Neil's table. To diagram my run out, I needed 3 pages. When I click the icon "insert a page" a pop up comes up and says "Do you want to copy the contents of your clipboard to this movie?"
WTH? This isn't a movie! So I click yes, and I ended up with horse feathers and crow on page 1 and 2.
Anyone know an exorcist?
KoolKat - is this what you're thinking?
and to ghost:
i saw the bank-the-2-off-the-6 as well, but since i'm not good enough to reliable control that little bit of pocket cheating, i opted to go around the table and play it the hard way. *shrug*
and to ghost:
i saw the bank-the-2-off-the-6 as well, but since i'm not good enough to reliable control that little bit of pocket cheating, i opted to go around the table and play it the hard way. *shrug*
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Me too. I click on the table (Neil's in this case) and I go to the cuetable home/login page. I can no longer copy tables. I have no clue why that capability recently left me. I'm Boo hoo-in I tell ya.
So I started from scratch - I recreated Neil's table. To diagram my run out, I needed 3 pages. When I click the icon "insert a page" a pop up comes up and says "Do you want to copy the contents of your clipboard to this movie?"
WTH? This isn't a movie! So I click yes, and I ended up with horse feathers and crow on page 1 and 2.
Anyone know an exorcist?
in the world of flash, it actually is a "movie".
After you're done laying out the shot, click the save page icon, then click "add to new page" - move the cue ball, delete lines, remove the previous ball and continue.
That's darn near identical to what I tried to create. I may have had a hair less angle on the 6, but other than that, purrfect! ESP!
Good one Johnny. I would be really tempted to get slightly more angle on the 5 and send the cue ball up table to bump the 6. I just had one of those 6 ball shots in the tournament, I was sure I hit it good and it still caught the side point.
Did your "edit" button work on the original layout that Neil did?
Chris
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TATE - Yep, I just clicked the edit button, deleted the 3rd page, copied the 2nd to a new page and started from there. using FF 3.6.3 if it matters.
I will have to print out this layout and see if I can actually do it. I'm much better at seeing the outs then actually doing them unfortunately. Need to work on my speed control.
Bumping the 6 is probably a good idea, but I know I don't have the control to accurately control both the 6 and the cb for a shot, so I opted to take a risky a shot on it up-table. Of course, in virtual pool like this, I'd never miss a rail-runner. lol
I will have to print out this layout and see if I can actually do it. I'm much better at seeing the outs then actually doing them unfortunately. Need to work on my speed control.
Bumping the 6 is probably a good idea, but I know I don't have the control to accurately control both the 6 and the cb for a shot, so I opted to take a risky a shot on it up-table. Of course, in virtual pool like this, I'd never miss a rail-runner. lol
The minor corrections I see would be, to get the nearly straight in shot on the 3, you'll probably have to take the cue ball deeper into the corner off the two. getting from the 4 to the five you have a couple of options. If you get too straight you might be able to clear the 8 with a rail first shot on the 4. Or you could pound through the 8 if you get too much angle.
Anyway, I like your plan.
Chris
Love it! Neil, thanks again for a great "What Would You Do?"
I really like the screen progression, shot after shot. That tool is amazing.
Something must be clicking with me, because what I was thinking is pretty close to what Johnny diagrammed. That is encouraging.
Of course making those shots is whole other issue, but you can't make'em if you can't see'em. These scenarios are so cool. Thanks again, Neil and everyone here.
I really like the screen progression, shot after shot. That tool is amazing.
Something must be clicking with me, because what I was thinking is pretty close to what Johnny diagrammed. That is encouraging.
Of course making those shots is whole other issue, but you can't make'em if you can't see'em. These scenarios are so cool. Thanks again, Neil and everyone here.
Well, the way it's laying, couldn't you load it up with top inside and stroke it solidly for the bank - the top should take it straight into the rail and the inside would bring it back down towards the center - about where it would go if you played 3-rail position? It's more risky, in my opinion - but then as I've said, compensating for cheating the pocket on the outside to bump the six while also dealing with the inside english which will straighten out the bank - then finally the deflection also from the inside... that's a lot of compensation to work with. ... and there's no guarantee the 6 won't block something else on the way out.
Thank you!!! I downloaded Firefox and the Table Editor worked!!!!
I'm going to start a new thread - obviously there is a some sort of compatibility problem with IE/Vista and Shockwave or the web site - but it worked. I'll test Google Chrome too and post it a little later.
Chris
you're absolutely right.. my rebound angles are not based on physics with the shown english... the end result is the goal, and i didn't accurately lay out the path.
I do think the 4 to the 5 is the key to the rack though... going forward on the 4, you risk catching the 8 which will likely leave you in a bad situation on the 5. if you get nearly straight on the 4, you miss the 8, but then what to do with the 5. if you're short on the 4, you could intentionally bump the 8 out, but again, it's not sure where you'd end up for the 5. i'm not entirely sure the shot i diagrammed will even work. i can see drawing back and out a little, but i expect i'll have a lot more angle on the 5 then i show there.
I like this runout with one change. I would play the 6 up the rail rather than try to move it, but instead of trying to pop the cueball across for the 7, I give myself a bit less angle and just roll the 6 in. It's the only hard shot in the run, and I wouldn't want to blow it by trying for better-than-necessary shape on the 7. Taking the angle on the 7 and playing twice across for the 8 would be fine with me if that's what I had to do.
Also, and this tip has probably been mentioned 100 times on here, running a ball down the rail is always a problematic shot that is best avoided if possible, but some people find they have more luck with them if they aim to hit the rail very slightly before the ball. I'm talking about hitting the rail just a millisecond before the ball, so close that you may or may not actually be hitting the rail first, just so that's what your intention/perception is. When I do this, my object ball seems to come off the rail just a fraction; not enough to put it in danger of missing the pocket, but usually enough to miss the point on the side pocket. Something worth trying perhaps.
Aaron
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