APA league operators question...

tigerseye

Kenny Wilson
Silver Member
I have recently won a trip to Vegas playing in the APA. My situation of my 1st born arriving in the same time frame as the Vegas trip has caused me to cancel myself from the trip.
I was wondering what other APA operators may have done for thier players that may have situations like this?
Like give them money or free league fees for an entire season or anything but oh well too bad....:o
 
i have had players not able to make trip and they were just out of a trip. operator just pocketed the airfair money or puts it back in the leauge. sucks u cant go but congrats on the baby.
 
Can't make Vegas trip

Yep, you are out. But, the league operator made out.

The baby is way more important anyway. Congratulations!
 
Actually, the money for the trip comes from a "Player Fund", which is a portion of your weekly league fees set aside in a separate bank account and used only for player benefits (trophies, patches, travel assistance, prize money in tournaments, etc.). APA audits those funds to make sure they are spent only on player benefits, so if an operator pockets any of that money they are in big trouble with the national office.

Unless it's stated otherwise in local bylaws, what a team actually wins in the Local Team Championships is eligibility for the National Team Championships. In many areas, provisions are made to provide travel assistance from the Player Fund for teams advancing to the National Team Championships. This travel assistance is NOT the prize for winning the Local Team Championships, so individual players who are not traveling to nationals have no claim to that money.

In some areas, there is also a monetary prize for winning the Local Team Championships. This is separate from travel assistance, so an individual's claim to a share of that money should not be affected by their ability or even willingness to travel to nationals. Find out if the money coming to your team is a monetary prize for winning the LTC or travel assistance for the trip to Vegas.

In either case, the money should be paid to or (in the case of travel assistance) on behalf of the team. If the team is paid a cash amount for either purpose, the team should decide how it is split among individual members. It's a team award, so the operator shouldn't be deciding which members get what.
 
Actually, the money for the trip comes from a "Player Fund", which is a portion of your weekly league fees set aside in a separate bank account and used only for player benefits (trophies, patches, travel assistance, prize money in tournaments, etc.). APA audits those funds to make sure they are spent only on player benefits, so if an operator pockets any of that money they are in big trouble with the national office.

Unless it's stated otherwise in local bylaws, what a team actually wins in the Local Team Championships is eligibility for the National Team Championships. In many areas, provisions are made to provide travel assistance from the Player Fund for teams advancing to the National Team Championships. This travel assistance is NOT the prize for winning the Local Team Championships, so individual players who are not traveling to nationals have no claim to that money.

In some areas, there is also a monetary prize for winning the Local Team Championships. This is separate from travel assistance, so an individual's claim to a share of that money should not be affected by their ability or even willingness to travel to nationals. Find out if the money coming to your team is a monetary prize for winning the LTC or travel assistance for the trip to Vegas.

In either case, the money should be paid to or (in the case of travel assistance) on behalf of the team. If the team is paid a cash amount for either purpose, the team should decide how it is split among individual members. It's a team award, so the operator shouldn't be deciding which members get what.


Are you saying that the money for the flight is not part of winning the tourney?
 
APA patches

Not sure if this is a national thing or not/ I was at the pool hall the other night and some of the APA players were telling me if they are a 5 or higher / make the 8 ball on the break they have to buy a 8 on the break patch/ if they want the patch....... wow when we played they would give you one. Is this normal in the APA?
 
Not sure if this is a national thing or not/ I was at the pool hall the other night and some of the APA players were telling me if they are a 5 or higher / make the 8 ball on the break they have to buy a 8 on the break patch/ if they want the patch....... wow when we played they would give you one. Is this normal in the APA?
well there you have it, there is no normal in the APA.They make their rules as they feel fit on a weekly basis. This is why I tell peope who want to join a league, not to join the APA as I have been burned by them in the past, and would never steer anyone thier way. But I will tell them about the BCA and other leagues or options. Fuch the APA!! Now I feel better...TILIS (telling it like it is!)
 
tigerseye...Did you not read APA Operator's post? It may, or may NOT be part of a prize for winning the tourney. Depends on how the local LO structures the prize fund(s). When I was an APA LO travel funds were NOT part of the prize funds that were paid out during the LTC. Cash awards were paid to high finishing teams who did NOT finish 1st (the travel fund went to supplement their travel to the NTC in Vegas). Oh, and if you were on the winning team, and didn't travel to Vegas (for whatever reason), you got no part of the travel fund. It went to the players that played in the national tournament.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

Are you saying that the money for the flight is not part of winning the tourney?
 
In my area the winning teams got a cash award which was enough to cover travel and lodging for the week in Vegas with a bit of pocket money left over. The L.O. cut the team a check in my name (team captain) and I split the money between my players. One guy took the money and didn't go to Vegas. The rest of us went and had a great time and won some additional tourney cash. If travel arrangements had been made and that player unable to go, they were SOL because travel was paid for up front.


:cool:
 
I have recently won a trip to Vegas playing in the APA. My situation of my 1st born arriving in the same time frame as the Vegas trip has caused me to cancel myself from the trip.
I was wondering what other APA operators may have done for thier players that may have situations like this?
Like give them money or free league fees for an entire season or anything but oh well too bad....:o

In our area the L.O. gives each player $800 per player for travel, accomodation and spending but the catch is that you have to go to Vegas to get the $800. If you choose not to go (or can't go), he gives the player $300 and the rest of the money goes into cheaper singles boards the next year - he actually show us how much wasn't paid out and how many singles boards will be $5 entry the followijng year.

His reasoning is that the cities are for a Vegas trip and our cash cups are for cash. But as I said, he does give $300 to players who can't go - i guess he thinks thery deserve something.

That is probably why our L.O. is well liked and respected.
 
My LO told us that she would purchase the tickets for travel for the team at a group rate... IF we wanted different travel times/dates/whatever, she said she would give that player the amount that she WOULD HAVE paid for that person's group-rate ticket.
 
well there you have it, there is no normal in the APA.They make their rules as they feel fit on a weekly basis. This is why I tell peope who want to join a league, not to join the APA as I have been burned by them in the past, and would never steer anyone thier way. But I will tell them about the BCA and other leagues or options. Fuch the APA!! Now I feel better...TILIS (telling it like it is!)

I think you mean TILITIS (telling it like I think it is). Things like awards are handled differently everywhere, regardless of whether the league is APA, BCA, VNEA, TAP, ACS, or whatever.

Most of the time, when someone says the rules change, what they really mean is they expected something they didn't get. In the vast majority of cases, the expectations were wrong, and that's mostly due to people being misinformed by someone not associated with league management.

The initial post in this thread is a good example. Someone, somewhere, said "If you win Cities you win a trip to Vegas." Well, that's probably not how it's worded in the local bylaws, and even if it is it probably doesn't say "or other compensation if you can't make the trip." Now someone on a team that won Cities thinks they won some compensation because the words "win a trip to Vegas" set their expectations.

Most players also don't understand the part about the operator not keeping the money they don't spend on awards - they think it's pocketed, but it really stays in the Player Fund for the next set of awards. Because they don't understand this, they think they were cheated by a greedy operator. Not the case most of the time.
 
My LO told us that she would purchase the tickets for travel for the team at a group rate... IF we wanted different travel times/dates/whatever, she said she would give that player the amount that she WOULD HAVE paid for that person's group-rate ticket.

I BELIEVE that my APA League Operator cheated my team out of city championships and our chance to go to Vegas. I will NEVER play in Collin County, Texas APA leagues as long as she owns that franchise!

I'm missing something here. I get that the LO told you something, and that you feel cheated, but I don't see what actually happened. Is that posted in a different thread somewhere?
 
I'm missing something here. I get that the LO told you something, and that you feel cheated, but I don't see what actually happened. Is that posted in a different thread somewhere?

The second part is my signature, not part of my response... that's probably what is confusing

signature below.. not part of this ^^^^ response either
 
In our area the L.O. gives each player $800 per player for travel, accomodation and spending but the catch is that you have to go to Vegas to get the $800. If you choose not to go (or can't go), he gives the player $300 and the rest of the money goes into cheaper singles boards the next year - he actually show us how much wasn't paid out and how many singles boards will be $5 entry the followijng year.

His reasoning is that the cities are for a Vegas trip and our cash cups are for cash. But as I said, he does give $300 to players who can't go - i guess he thinks thery deserve something.

That is probably why our L.O. is well liked and respected.


I am happy there is at least 1 league operator that isnt ripping people off.
The leagues really need to step in and do what is right and stop letting these crooks run thier show.....
It's already showing that the league is suffering..Lots of people falling out left and right...:D:D Makes me happy:D:D
 
tigerseye...Did you not read APA Operator's post? It may, or may NOT be part of a prize for winning the tourney. Depends on how the local LO structures the prize fund(s). When I was an APA LO travel funds were NOT part of the prize funds that were paid out during the LTC. Cash awards were paid to high finishing teams who did NOT finish 1st (the travel fund went to supplement their travel to the NTC in Vegas). Oh, and if you were on the winning team, and didn't travel to Vegas (for whatever reason), you got no part of the travel fund. It went to the players that played in the national tournament.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

The problem here is there are no foundation of rules. The league operators are stealing money and it is ok by headquarters.
Scott sounds like you got a pretty good scam going bud..
Your way of running things have GREED written all over it...
 
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