Talked with Ray Martin earlier today

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I just spent an hour or so talking on the phone to Mr. Martin. Ray "cool cat" Martin of 99 shots fame and multi-time world champion. Also "ghostball" on this forum. It was a very pleasant and constructive phone call. Some people have a lot of knowledge but are a little shy on common sense. Some folks have a lot of common sense but they are lacking in knowledge and their ideas are out in left field somewhere. Some people are blessed with common sense and knowledge. These people can walk the walk and tell you how they do it. Mr. Martin is one of these people. No real surprise after reading his book many times but nice to confirm.

We were planning to discuss other things but the conversation got around to his teaching approach. It was exactly what I want to hear from an instructor. A few minutes to verify you have the basic cue ball control to move on and then you can move into the areas that interest you. One reason I shy away from group classes is I am always afraid they will be a little too cookie cutter to justify the cost. The same is true if someone has too regimented of a lesson plan. They need some structure or you can waste your time yourself, too much structure and they are the one wasting your time if they are teaching things you don't need. With one on one lessons and an adaptable instructor this doesn't happen.

It sounds like Mr. Martin tailors the lesson to the student and doesn't take much time to do it. Also seems like he is a very easy gentleman to talk to and work with. Some instructors I get the feeling that they might be good but we might not communicate well. Like with Joe Villalpando I found the exchange of thoughts very easy with Ray Martin. No idea if I'll find myself in the same neck of the woods as him and I do a bare minimum of traveling these days. However, if I get a chance I will spend some time and money taking lessons from him. Make that invest some time and money because that is what it is, a solid investment. When he only charges fifty dollars an hour for one on one instruction it won't take long to see some return on that investment!

Hu
 
In a pool lesson with Mr. Martin several years ago, he often drove home the point, "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SILVER BULLET". :D :D
 
Although no names were mentioned . . .

In a pool lesson with Mr. Martin several years ago, he often drove home the point, "THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A SILVER BULLET". :D :D


Joey,

Although no names were mentioned we did talk about people trying to peddle silver bullets and people trying to buy a pool game overnight. I suspect a few people felt that sharp stabbing pain in their shortribs!! :D :D

We talked for over an hour I believe and I can't think of one thing we disagreed on although I had to admit I was always at least taking a look at the latest fad silver bullet. Hope blooms eternal! We did agree that good instruction can shorten the learning curve but nothing at all is going to save you from grinding out the hours on the table to perfect your craft.

He is one of the few instructors on the same page I am about stance and stroke and I found that interesting. I have to admit, I found everything about our conversation interesting and he didn't even get around to telling any war stories. Only after we had talked an hour or more and strayed through a handful of topics did he mention that his dinner had just been put on the table when I called. Felt bad about that, I'll have to remember to ask first thing in the future. A man with the patience of a saint while dinner is getting cold on the table almost has to be a great instructor. Add his credentials . . .

When are you going to Florida so I can get a fresh first person report? :D

Hu
 
I have had the privlage to speak to Mr.Martin on 2 occasions and his daughter on to other. Whien I die or feel the time is right either i'm giving my Szam that Ray played with for yesrs to his grand children. I play with the cue now and its a dandy. I thought it would be better back in his family. They are top notch people, i remember reading 99 when I was a kid-never forgot it.

therer is a olod blurry video of Ray rnning almost 100 floating around the web they shot in NYC I believe in the earily 80's, he was talking and explaining what he was thinking while running out-talking and playing is tough to do. I dont have a link for it, the video quality sucks but because Mr.Martin does such a great job you actually dont notice the poor video after he gets 100% of your attention, just the first 5-8 mins is hard to watch the first time you watch it. we need that link.


thanks
Eric,,

MR Martin if you see this by very best to you,
 
I have had the privlage to speak to Mr.Martin on 2 occasions and his daughter on to other. Whien I die or feel the time is right either i'm giving my Szam that Ray played with for yesrs to his grand children. I play with the cue now and its a dandy. I thought it would be better back in his family. They are top notch people, i remember reading 99 when I was a kid-never forgot it.

therer is a olod blurry video of Ray rnning almost 100 floating around the web they shot in NYC I believe in the earily 80's, he was talking and explaining what he was thinking while running out-talking and playing is tough to do. I dont have a link for it, the video quality sucks but because Mr.Martin does such a great job you actually dont notice the poor video after he gets 100% of your attention, just the first 5-8 mins is hard to watch the first time you watch it. we need that link.


thanks
Eric,,

MR Martin if you see this by very best to you,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8294808311951707336#

There is some valuable information in that video if you pay close attention to what he is saying. He explained how he decides whether to use follow or draw on a break shot with the ball next to the rack. The owner of the room in that video recently passed away.


I just got a PM from Ray, not every day you get that from a 3 time world champion. That's one I won't be deleting. If Ray was inclined to travel a little I suspect he could make some nice change giving lessons like DiLiberto does from time to time.
 
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