More Jay Flowers History and Searching for the Mizerak Miller Lite Case

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We solved a little mystery about the Jay Flowers Cases.

There is a stamp on each case that says "Handcrafted by NVH". Turns out Nora Van Horn was a leathercrafter in Tampa who had a small shop. She actually built the Flowers cue cases and Jay was the salesman, bringing in orders. Jay had approached Nora for a repair on his cue case, then asked her to make him a case. Soon, all the pool players wanted one and Jay Flowers cues cases were born.

The cases were built and hand tooled by Nora Van Horn in her garage shop for nearly 15 years and her initials can be seen on the cases. The cases were produced until about 1994 when Nora retired.

I found out about this from her grandson and son, who wanted her to get credit for her fabulous craftsmanship.

Nora's most famous case was the Miller Lite Case she designed for Steve Mizerak. Below is a photo of the logo she designed for tooling on the Mizerak case.

Has anybody ever seen this Mizerak Miller Lite Case?

Chris
 

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Great bit of information. I'm starting to see a pattern here, and I don't mean the Tandy leather type either. Anne Gore worked for Fellini, Jack Justis's daughter worked for Jack Justis, and now Nora Van Horn made the cases for J Flowers.

Where's that quote, behind every great man is a great woman. Or in this case, behind every great casemaker is a humble woman working in the back of the garage.

Proof from the Jack Justis factory
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYjD4R3UXIw
 
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Great bit of information. I'm starting to see a pattern here, and I don't mean the Tandy leather type either. Anne Gore worked for Fellini, Jack Justis's daughter worked for Jack Justis, and now Nora Van Horn made the cases for J Flowers.

Where's that quote, behind every great man is a great woman. Or in this case, behind every great casemaker is a humble woman working in the back of the garage.

That is a great - love it, thanks.

Chris
 
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Thanks for the history on "NVH".
Great info.
It's tooled right under the handle below the Jay Flowers signature.
Almost like a cattle brand.
 
That Miz case is probably sitting in a pawn shop in the middle of nowhere, or someone bought it who has no idea what they have. It would be cool to get ahold of something like that, but I most definitely do not have the fortune that many on here do.
 
I wonder how many Jay Flowers cases were actually made?

Wow, Nora made them for 14 years and Jay sold them like crazy. Her grandson and I were trying to figure it out. We were thinking like around 5,000 cases - all hand made and hand tooled. She had very little overhead and made enough money on them to pay off her house and retire.

Most were probably just thrown out once they wore out, but there could well be some sitting in closets, attics, and garages around the country.

Her grandson has been looking to buy one and hasn't found one yet. I offered to sell him one of mine if he couldn't find one.

Chris
 
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That Miz case is probably sitting in a pawn shop in the middle of nowhere, or someone bought it who has no idea what they have. It would be cool to get ahold of something like that, but I most definitely do not have the fortune that many on here do.

I should probably ask Dick Abbott - he has a nose for finding really cool stuff.

Chris
 
Miz case

I saw the case & cue at the IPT tournament in Orlando a few years back... he wanted something like $60K for the set
 
Wow, Nora made them for 14 years and Jay sold them like crazy. Her grandson and I were trying to figure it out. We were thinking like around 5,000 cases - all hand made and hand tooled. She had very little overhead and made enough money on the to pay off her house and retire.

Most were probably just thrown out once they wore out, but there could well be some sitting in closets, attics, and garages around the country.

Her grandson has been looking to buy one and hasn't found one yet. I offered to sell him one of mine if he couldn't find one.

Chris


Tate,

Not all of those Jay Flowers cases were hand tooled. In fact, many of them were made out of cheap looking leather with the design stamped in. I know because I have one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the good cases they made but the one I got was far from what I ordered and was expecting to receive at the time. I ordered one like Buddy Hall's with my name on the back of it because a guy I used to shoot with had one and it was a beauty. Anyway, I tried to no avail to get either a refund or replacement case and was left with a very sour taste in my mouth for those cases.

Randy
 
I've got a Jay Flower Case I've had since the mid 80's. It was originally made for Jerry Brock who some of you may have known. Jerry was on the lam at the time and stopped by my poolroom. He had recently gotten the case from Jay but wasn't using it because it had his name tooled in big letters on the case and that could have put him in a bad spot, if you know what I mean. He lost the case playing gin to one of my counter men who sold it to me. I sent the case back to Jay Flowers and asked to have the entire side panel with Jerry's name on it changed and had my name put on the new panel. Cost me almost what a new case would have cost, but at the time I didn't see much value in a case with "Jerry Brock" on it.
 
Tate,

Not all of those Jay Flowers cases were hand tooled. In fact, many of them were made out of cheap looking leather with the design stamped in. I know because I have one. Don't get me wrong, I'm not bashing the good cases they made but the one I got was far from what I ordered and was expecting to receive at the time. I ordered one like Buddy Hall's with my name on the back of it because a guy I used to shoot with had one and it was a beauty. Anyway, I tried to no avail to get either a refund or replacement case and was left with a very sour taste in my mouth for those cases.

Randy

Randy,

Good information - thanks. Can you check your case for the NVH stamp and e-mail me information and some photos of it to:

Palmercollector@aol.com.

The grandson told me that once Nora retired (exactly 1993) there was some kind of falling out because Jay was going to get some cases made in Mexico. Jay in fact had told me of the stamping thing (instead of tooling) himself.

Do you remember the year? I think it's important that the cases have the NVH stamp on them.

The quality on my cases is exceptional (they have the NVH stamp) , but the grandson, Michael Van Horn, said he saw photos on another web site of cases he was sure were made elsewhere.

I'll work with Michael to try to get more info on your case. I need a close up of the logo too - thanks!

Chris
 
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I jsut want to interject a little technical information into the conversation.

"Tooling" in leather work ususally is applied to mean decoration that was stamped or carved using a manual tools. Tooling is generally thought of as "hand-tooling" for this reason. However in a strict sense tooling applies to any type of decoration on leather where the leather was molded or shaped by any means. This includes stamping and embossing done with die presses and roller presses. One tooler even uses a pneumatic chisel that he modifed to insert his manual tools and make them into power tools.

Tooling is generally broken down into the following categories;

Stamping: Impressing the leather by means of a single stamp which is repeated to form a pattern. Done well this looks highly professional and flawless. Done wrong it looks sloppy. The tooler can adjust the depth by altering the force of the hit on the stamp, and alter the look by changing the angle or direction of the stamp.

Embossing: Impressing the leather by means of a mechanical press. In general the stamps used can only be applied straight down and the force is much greater than manual stamping. Thus such work often has the "factory" or standard look to it without much character. There are embossing artists however who use mechanical presses to achieve a lot of character and uniqueness when using this method.

(Note: Embossing also refers to the reverse sculpting of leather by wet forming from the back to create 3-d figures and shapes. I don't know why the word is used for this but it is.)

Carving: Carving is the art of making decorative cuts in the leather and then stamping and molding around and under those cuts for effect. The tooler has a lot of freedom to shape the character by varying the depth and width of the cuts.

So, for the purpose of this thread it would serve to have everyone understand that the work which was done on their case may not have been done as they think it was done regardless of who did it.

Mrs. Van Horn had help in her shop. I can tell you that in any shop the help almost always aspires to be the artist. So it would have been only natural for Mrs. Van Horn to have allowed others to do some of the tooling depending on the project for both practical reasons.

It would have also been natural to consider ways to produce more efficiently when you are essentially a production shop. Now I am not going to sit here and say definititively that Mrs. Van Horn or Jay Flowers ever set up any "production" methods to decorate the cases but it would have been a clever and practical thing to had they done so. I can tell you that it's very easy to set up a die stamp that looks just like a line of hand tooled stamps.

If you go to Tandy Leather's web site you can find the type of presses and equipment in use by leather workers and cue case makers around the world. Whenever you see a case which has straight lines cut into it then it's likely that those are guidelines used for the mechanical stamping process or lines that were cut into the leather by the stamping wheel or die itself. With hand tooling (hand stamping) you will often see a faint line that was scribed onto the leather as a guide and the tooling will be more or less on that line.

I hope that more people come forward with their stories of J.EF/NVH - Jay Flowers/Nora Van Horn cases.

I think it would be cool to see if we can't get people to connect dates to their cases so that we can start to piece together a timeline which showcases the birth and evolution of the cases.

Here is the thing in my mind - the case made with individual tubes was a game changer. After Jay Flowers brought these cases to the attentinon of the pool world is when we started to see cases with rigid individual compartments for the cues. Meucci experimented with foam to create what eventually became the Porper cases. Dennis Swift came along, Whitten, Justis, Instroke, and others building on the same principle of putting leather around a collection of tubes, all inspired by the Flowers/Van Horn cases.

As to the decoration - well like I said let's build a library and attach dates to pictures and try to nail down who did what and how.

Thank you Chris for doing the leg work on this and helping to preserve an accurate history of this part of the pool world.

This is the only Jay Flowers (no NVH logo) case I own - I was told that it was acquired from Jay more than 20 years ago. It is similar in build and decoration to the one I got from Andi Sattler in Germany around 1991 which I took completely apart.

This one does not have the NVH stamp nor the J.EF Q Cases logo.

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One more thing regarding the maker's mark. This stamp is stock one sold by Tandy.

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The images represent a "side" which is one half of a an animal skin. A "mallet" which is a speciallized hammer made out of rawhide or more recently out of phenolic and a "swivel knife" which is the type of knife most favored by leather workers to make the decorative cuts.

Many leather workers have used this stamp. It looks as though Nora Van Horn either carved her intitials in or had a secondary stamp to put them inside the stock one.
 
That Miz case is probably sitting in a pawn shop in the middle of nowhere, or someone bought it who has no idea what they have. It would be cool to get ahold of something like that, but I most definitely do not have the fortune that many on here do.

That's doubtful. These days in the era of Ebay and Google people generally get around to looking up the old stuff collecting dust. Pawnbrokers especially are using Google as their best friend when it comes to finding out about stuff they take in.

It might be sitting in someone's closet but I kind of doubt it. I bet Dick Abbot has it under his bed :-)
 
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