Pool Players with Charisma

jay helfert

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There were always a handful of guys that attracted the crowds for whatever reason. Here are a few I remember.

Ronnie and Keith number one and two!

When Ronnie played the place was PACKED! He was the most well known player of his era. He had a personality that was bigger than life and anyone who met him never forgot him. And he was a great promoter, of himself and for pool! Ronnie was famous for being a great One Pocket player (the best!), but he could play all games. He was exciting to watch, very creative, a great shot maker and had the heart of a lion. And all the time keeping a running patter going with his audience. You couldn't help but pull for him, even if he owed you money. :D

Keith was like the clone of Ronnie, but in a very distorted way. He also attracted throngs of people wherever he played. Poolrooms, tournaments, bars, it made no difference. If Keith was in action, the word got around and people flocked to see him play. Keith was truly an American original. He pulled lines out of the air that any stand-up comedian would have been proud of. And he made pool look so damn easy. Everything Keith did looked effortless. Shots that would stymie the best players were like child's play for him. He would snap that ball in and glide the cue ball three rails for shape with just a flick of his wrist. No one before or since made hard shots look so routine. He would make some impossible shot and dead pan to the crowd, "It was a hanger!" He was also perhaps the best player ever in super pressure situations. Nothing fazed Keith! NOTHING! No bet made him flinch and no shot made him blanche. He didn't so much have nerves of steel, but no nerves at all.

LOUIE! Oh the magnificent Louie Roberts! Handsome, dapper, with a charming sense of humor and the straightest stroke of all time. There was never (and probably never will be) a straighter shooter than Louie Roberts. He would rifle balls in from anywhere on the table. And everything hit the pocket at warp speed. Imagine the hardest cut shot you can think of, and then know that there was a player who could make that shot time after time, and the object ball would never touch a rail or the edge of the pocket either. Louie just didn't miss anything, from anywhere. But of course what goes hand in hand with that type of game, is lost control of the cue ball. That's why Buddy could give him the seven and beat him. Louie never missed a ball he could see, but he might scratch or get hooked on the next shot. More than that though, is that Louie had CHARISMA! Gobs of it. He was a star wherever he went. People (especially girls) wanted to see him, to meet him, to talk to him. If pool had become a major sport he would have been the superstar. The Arnold Palmer of our game. Alcohol was his undoing and he lived only forty short years.

And then there was the grand daddy of them all. FATS! Fats was the pied piper. He attracted crowds wherever he went. He didn't need to be in a poolroom either. On the street people stopped what they were doing to listen to him. Children would not leave his side, forsaking their mothers to follow him wherever he went. He was the single most memorable man I ever met. Uneducated but brilliant! He had an insight into everything, and everybody. NO ONE could out talk him! Even Muhammed Ali raised his hand when they met and debated who was the Greatest. Fats had no equal, and that (more than any movie) is what made him a household name. He was the biggest star pool has ever had, by a long shot! No one is even close to his level of celebrity. Today we would call him "A List." But unlike celebrities today, Fats loved to mingle with the people and talk to everyone. Yes he could play pool, but that was secondary. His fans didn't care if he ever made a ball. They just wanted to listen to him talk!

Today, the only player I can think of with this kind of charisma is Alex. As colorful as he is, he would be no match for any one of the above four guys. Efren can attract the crowds as well, but it's his remarkable talent that brings the people to see him. The four I previewed here had more than pool skills that made people want to see them. They had some kind of magic that really cannot be defined.
 
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Jay, I'm really enjoying these reminiscences that you've been posting. Interesting reflections by an astute observer who has spent a lifetime dedicated to the game. Keep up the good work!
 
I agree with everything Jay said. :grin:
 

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Earl Strickland!!!

He always had a crowd to watch him play, even if he was just warming up. People love to watch him play because of his un-matched talent at the table as well as his unpredictability. Alot of people consider him an A$$ but I think he's entertaining and was and always will be good for the game......:)
 
well with PGA type no talking rules abroad , you dont get to see much of it any more, what a lot of people dont understand is guys like Kieth make pool a spectator sport and if pool is ever going to be a money sport it needs that IMHO

my dream local fab 5 in ring game 9 ball game

Kieth
Ryan McCreesh
Danny Green
pooky
Bobby Hawk

you could start a tv series with these guys


onestroke
 
well with PGA type no talking rules abroad , you dont get to see much of it any more, what a lot of people dont understand is guys like Kieth make pool a spectator sport and if pool is ever going to be a money sport it needs that IMHO

my dream local fab 5 in ring game 9 ball game

Kieth
Ryan McCreesh
Danny Green
pooky
Bobby Hawk

you could start a tv series with these guys


onestroke

You must be in the metro DC area in order to have seen all those guys. I have not seen Hawk in a while, but he's a great action player, shows no fear and is willing to step up to the plate.

I really like Bobby Hawk's style. He's also easy on the eyes -- dapper and handsome! :love2:

Danny, of course, wants to remain incognito and fly under the radar, which is the reason he claims to not go to many high-profile pool tournaments. :p

Haven't heard Pooky's name in a long while. Heard he got bit by the poker bug, like a lot of pool players I know! :grin-square:

Ryan is still grinding. I see him reading this forum sometimes, but he doesn't post much. :)

Keith and Ryan used to get in a lot of action together locally as partners. There used to be this guy named Seth at USA Billiards in Laurel, before it closed down. Seth was a good guy to gamble with; that is, until Seth's game improved and nobody knew how to clock his speed. :eek:
 
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Earl Strickland!!!

He always had a crowd to watch him play, even if he was just warming up. People love to watch him play because of his un-matched talent at the table as well as his unpredictability. Alot of people consider him an A$$ but I think he's entertaining and was and always will be good for the game......:)

When Earl is enjoying pool, he's so much fun to be around. I've been fortunate to see Earl shine at many a tournament, laughing and having a good time.

Here's a funny pic taken by Diana Hoppe of Earl and Keith cutting up, practicing before a tournament match. Earl was getting ready to play Karen Corr, and Keith was ribbing Earl, teasing him. Earl looks cool and calm in this picture while he's lauging it up, but, believe me, Earl wasn't looking forward to playing Karen Corr. It's well known, especially on the Joss Tour, that Karen is capable of beating anyone, even the champs. :wink:
 

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Earl Strickland!!!

He always had a crowd to watch him play, even if he was just warming up. People love to watch him play because of his un-matched talent at the table as well as his unpredictability. Alot of people consider him an A$$ but I think he's entertaining and was and always will be good for the game......:)

I agree. Earl was the biggest American draw for many years. Still is, along with Shane. People were drawn to Earl's matches early on, not so much for his antics, but for his spectacular play. He was the ultimate 9-Ball player, capable of stringing racks at any time. And he did too, running fives, sixes and sevens in match after match. Earl's unbelievable ability had a lot to do with bringing on the advent of Ten Ball. Earl made the big table look like a bar table, the only guy I can truly say that about. Sadly, today people are more drawn to see Earl for his "other" attributes and not so much because of how he plays. Although he still has his moments (see U.S. Bar Tabla 2009) when he shows flashes of his old brilliance.

Currently Shane is the big draw here in America. He's nice looking, a gentleman, with some good humor about him. He has a thunderous break and the big game to back it up. He is winning tournaments both here and abroad against the toughest competition imaginable. Soft spoken and somewhat shy, Shane certainly attracts his share of admirers, both male and female. He is at the peak of what should be a long career right now.
 
That would be a thing to experience. Bump it up to 6 and I am in.

I am also interviewing backers for this fine event.:woot:

well with PGA type no talking rules abroad , you dont get to see much of it any more, what a lot of people dont understand is guys like Kieth make pool a spectator sport and if pool is ever going to be a money sport it needs that IMHO

my dream local fab 5 in ring game 9 ball game

Kieth
Ryan McCreesh
Danny Green
pooky
Bobby Hawk

you could start a tv series with these guys


onestroke
 
(Greek "kharisma," meaning "gift," "of/from/favored by God/the divine") is a trait found in persons whose personalities are characterized by a personal charm and magnetism (attractiveness), along with innate and powerfully sophisticated abilities of interpersonal communication and persuasion. One who is charismatic is said to be capable of using their personal being, rather than just speech or logic alone, to interface with other human beings in a personal and direct manner, and effectively communicate an argument or concept to them.

this should narrow the field down.. :D
 
(Greek "kharisma," meaning "gift," "of/from/favored by God/the divine") is a trait found in persons whose personalities are characterized by a personal charm and magnetism (attractiveness), along with innate and powerfully sophisticated abilities of interpersonal communication and persuasion. One who is charismatic is said to be capable of using their personal being, rather than just speech or logic alone, to interface with other human beings in a personal and direct manner, and effectively communicate an argument or concept to them.

this should narrow the field down.. :D

And that's why Fats became MINNESOTA FATS, the superstar! He fits this definition to a T.
 
It's well known, especially on the Joss Tour, that Karen is capable of beating anyone, even the champs. :wink:
Yeah, I can see the thought bubble over her head. "Laugh it up while you can, guys."
 
Vintage Minnesota Fats: Minnesota Fats 1985

Beautiful! Filmed at the Hermitage Hotel in Nashville, Fats final home. Fats was in his late 70's there and could still fire a ball in the pocket. You can see that effective little Hopkins jab stroke.

P.S. Did anyone else see Jimmy Reid in that clip? He was right there for a moment if you were watching, during the match with Mosconi.
 
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I ran into Earl yesterday

Earl is rarely short for words no doubt! I had a little money match set up yesterday at Breakers in Greensboro at 2:30 pm. I arrive @ 2:20, to just the barkeep and one patron. I go wash my hands and walk out of the bathroom only to hear a familiar voice. Big E is in the house. He says "Hey Matt, how ya doin'? I heard you have a big match with XX so I thought I'd come watch and see if I could learn something!" LMAO.

So I start to warming up (GC III) and he says "Matt, we gotta get you on a tighter table. I ran 408 on this table." He proceeds to grab the 6 ball, sets up a straight up the long rail shot and says "and can you believe this is the shot I missed for 409?! THIS shot!? I'm down on this shot and some guy walks up to me and asks where the bathroom is." (the bathroom is like right behind the dummy). "So I get back down on the shot and miss. He distracted me! ARRRGH!" As the animated Earl grabs 2 handfuls of hair.

So I get back to warming up and he says "man, that red circle looks like a marble! We gotta get Richard (owner) to get new CB's!" Then he starts discussing the differences betwee the measles ball and red circles. He grabs some balls, makes a layout and says red circles draw easier, measles are tougher to control and a better option for the more experienced, discusses how the finishes are different and measles wear out quicker - must be a conspiracy to make us buy 'em more often, lol.

Then the charasmatic man, all tanned and looking in fine shape with a Hustlin muscle shirt on, got into his current state of his golf, tennis and running. At one point he goes "I can't believe what this guy said on the internet about me. He said I didn't play in Archer's tournament because I'm on crack! Can you believe that?! I run 5 miles a day, every day, and I'm on crack?! You can't be on crack and run 5 miles a day!" (is it any wonder most pros don't post on the 'net!! I could tell it bothered him, how could it not?)

Too damn funny! He's a trip! Yeah, he's got charisma. He's got it all going on! :thumbup: Thanks for the time yesterday Earl!

Oh, shortly after that, a # of other players and shakers stroll in - including a couple guys that hadn't been there in years. Maybe ya'll heard of this one - Big Al. That dude is a planet. He's 6'11". The legend (in part) goes he could be at the foot rail racking and reach over and pull balls out of both side pockets simultaneously! I ran into him during a bathroom break and he says something like "I used to be able to do it, but I think if I tried it now, I'd throw my back out!"

Oh, btw, my 10 ball match went quite dandy. :grin-square:

'Twas a great day at the hall yesterday. Earl can really draw a crowd and can hold court with the best of 'em. :thumbup:
 
Beautiful! Filmed at the Hermitage Hotel in Nashville, Fats final home. Fats was in his late 70's there and could still fire a ball in the pocket. You can see that effective little Hopkins jab stroke.

P.S. Did anyone else see Jimmy Reid in that clip? He was right there for a moment if you were watching, during the match with Mosconi.

I did see Jimmy sitting with two ladies. What a head of hair! It looks like he had a perm. :grin-square:
 
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