I wondered the same thing. But if you start putting diamonds in or crazy stuff like that I'm sure they could get real pricey real quick.
Joint protectors.......
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I wondered the same thing. But if you start putting diamonds in or crazy stuff like that I'm sure they could get real pricey real quick.
Man I guess I have to say this again and again,.....
I have to come up with a new design and then make them .....
Two weeks tops...
on what I want to do.
hdgis1
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So you're talking 76 hours of design time and 4 hours to make'm? That's 26 unique sets a year at $50 a pop. I think you have to make more than $1300 a year to even qualify for welfare!
Chris
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I like seeing someone that wants to push the envolope and try to do something different...but go ahead and do just that and let your work speak for itself.
No need to take shots at other folks who charge X for a set of JP's. They have put a value on their time and materials...if people didn't think it was worth it then they wouldn't pay those prices.
Make your JP's and charge what you want for them...just like every other cue maker. If people like what they see the sales will follow.
No need to take shots at other folks who charge X for a set of JP's. They have put a value on their time and materials...if people didn't think it was worth it then they wouldn't pay those prices.
Make your JP's and charge what you want for them...just like every other cue maker. If people like what they see the sales will follow.
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your right, then everytime I make a JP i spend that much time each time for each JP.... Manufacturing methods bypass your head. I don't thk cuemakers spend the same amount of time from their first cue to the one the build say 2 years later there's a learning curve the first time. the second one won't take me that much longer.
And by the ways do you know what I do? aside from cue making? could this be a pass time for me. And that there's a possibility that I am living comfortably with my situation that I would charge that much? you might not be able to......you might have an actual job.
And for all you know I might be on welfare......
and your paying me to stay home and make cues and jps for you.....
wouldn't you want a discount....after you have been paying me to do this.
lol
think about it let it soak in a bit......
it is funny......
I don't know how this all got out of hand......
Actuall it's my fault .... I can be very defensive if only eeryone knew what I went through to get started and making cues as a business.
but I will admit.... I get defensive...and offensive very quickly....but in person I am not like this at all.
but thanks for the advise
hdgis1
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we'd be sure to cry a river for you!
Just so you know wise guy - I am a furnituremaker. But maybe you're right, I don't have any idea about the manufacturing process. In fact, I find the manufacturing process to be anathema to the idea of making custom anything. If you're gonna make unique JP's every time then you're gonna go through the same process everytime. Maybe in the the long run your tooling stays the same but set up will change. Desgin time wont. Material selection wont.
Good luck making these fancy one-off joint protectors for a living. Now if you're talking about doing it for a hobby, get some balls (as you keep telling everyone else to do) and try doing it for a living.
Chris
Fatboy....I would also love to see what $2500 joint protectors look like..just out of sheer curiosity. Can't be much more effective than the $15 ceramic ones but I'll bet they sure look like some beautiful cue jewelry. If you don't want to show them can you tell us who made them?
Piercy...I agree that joint protectors are for a specific function and that a nice pair doesn't have to cost as much as a cheap production cue or as we now know in Fatboys case a very nice custom cue. Also might have to define what a nice pair is as that can be completely subjective or maybe put it up to an AZ poll or vote of some kind.
A nice pair to me doesn't necessarily have to match the wood of the cue or have matching ring work but should not take away from but rather compliment the cue. They don't have to be completely round or flat except for where they protect the cue and don't have to match the cues taper at least IMO.
Richard Black makes some out there jt protectors but I don't think they are available for cues other than his own. His websites is www.blackcues.com
I also know from reading other threads on here plus talking with them on the phone that a lot of cue makers consider making them a serious pain/time waster and the fact that you don't feel the same way may be another factor that separates you from the pack well besides your very different/cool take on pointed cues. Not sure a challenge to cue makers is the thing to lay down as you may not get very enthusiastic takers based on what I said above. I think if you wanted to start a joint protector type competition you should contact Jim Baxter, Alton and a few others with this event open to any cue maker as well. I'm a bit new to AZ so I don't know who else would be interested in taking part. I would love as I'm sure others would too to look over a thread with the creativity shown in pictures for us to gawk at and plot to have made. It would be pretty cool to have a think outside the box joint protector competition and not have a price set but have a suggested price point or narrow range to meet. You probably should set standards for what constitutes a thinking in the box joint protector then define a variety of materials to be used and a reasonable time period in which to complete them. When all entries are posted like I was suggesting earlier have a timed vote like over a few days or so to determine which one is liked best and what the voters honestly would be willing to pay for their chosen set.
Most of all let the creativity and quality of your work talk for itself...I think it does for sure. Also try to follow the don't let them see you sweat mentality and only respond to the criticisms that can make you better at what you do. It creates a bit of a mystique, shows your quality orientated which then leads to customer confidence in your original well tested and thought out formula. The customers on AZ are pretty astute and are aware that most cue makers have a long hard road to getting good at putting out quality work and making it in this industry. Some will ignore that fact to try to get a deal but I think they're in the minority.
Piercy...I agree that joint protectors are for a specific function and that a nice pair doesn't have to cost as much as a cheap production cue or as we now know in Fatboys case a very nice custom cue. Also might have to define what a nice pair is as that can be completely subjective or maybe put it up to an AZ poll or vote of some kind.
A nice pair to me doesn't necessarily have to match the wood of the cue or have matching ring work but should not take away from but rather compliment the cue. They don't have to be completely round or flat except for where they protect the cue and don't have to match the cues taper at least IMO.
Richard Black makes some out there jt protectors but I don't think they are available for cues other than his own. His websites is www.blackcues.com
I also know from reading other threads on here plus talking with them on the phone that a lot of cue makers consider making them a serious pain/time waster and the fact that you don't feel the same way may be another factor that separates you from the pack well besides your very different/cool take on pointed cues. Not sure a challenge to cue makers is the thing to lay down as you may not get very enthusiastic takers based on what I said above. I think if you wanted to start a joint protector type competition you should contact Jim Baxter, Alton and a few others with this event open to any cue maker as well. I'm a bit new to AZ so I don't know who else would be interested in taking part. I would love as I'm sure others would too to look over a thread with the creativity shown in pictures for us to gawk at and plot to have made. It would be pretty cool to have a think outside the box joint protector competition and not have a price set but have a suggested price point or narrow range to meet. You probably should set standards for what constitutes a thinking in the box joint protector then define a variety of materials to be used and a reasonable time period in which to complete them. When all entries are posted like I was suggesting earlier have a timed vote like over a few days or so to determine which one is liked best and what the voters honestly would be willing to pay for their chosen set.
Most of all let the creativity and quality of your work talk for itself...I think it does for sure. Also try to follow the don't let them see you sweat mentality and only respond to the criticisms that can make you better at what you do. It creates a bit of a mystique, shows your quality orientated which then leads to customer confidence in your original well tested and thought out formula. The customers on AZ are pretty astute and are aware that most cue makers have a long hard road to getting good at putting out quality work and making it in this industry. Some will ignore that fact to try to get a deal but I think they're in the minority.
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I do nothing else but this....
make cues, jp, cases, and anything pool related that I can....
your free to come over to my house/shop and see for yourself.
I'm a stay at home father of two and I make cues. and I sell enough to stay home and get bills paid and still have money to go to other countries 2-3 months every year.
this is my living........
Wow........Awesome caps Alton.
Oh Man! I know how tough that can be. How old are your kids? I'm a work from home Dad, too. My son is 15 months old now and gets into everything he's not supposed to. Not easy stuff to do, being a Dad like that and getting work done especially with electronic equipment/computers around or power tools involved. Got to you give you some serious credit for being able to pull that off. Nice to meet a fellow superman!
Dude!...I know I said I'm all about the function in my earlier post but those are definitely art and amazing. What other masterpiece cues have you made matching caps for? pictures please
A site with my caps
I think I got 50 or more caps..
Be sure to see the "Photo Gallery" Section of Caps too... besides all the collages of CNC Caps..
Thanks all..
Alton - Cue Caps
Here's my site:
http://cuecaps.webs.com/
Thanks for your compliments..Dude!...I know I said I'm all about the function in my earlier post but those are definitely art and amazing. What other masterpiece cues have you made matching caps for? pictures please
I think I got 50 or more caps..
Be sure to see the "Photo Gallery" Section of Caps too... besides all the collages of CNC Caps..
Thanks all..
Alton - Cue Caps
Here's my site:
http://cuecaps.webs.com/
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