Hypothetical Survey

[Tbeaux]

Which is exactly why I'm at a loss as to why Gamma has made themselves the spokesperson for Bob's side of things. :scratchhead:

I like Bob but I don't particularly care for Ray. I'm not letting my personal feelings about these two guys cloud my judgement on this particular issue. I will say that I find Bob's silence and Gamma's carrying on about it rather off putting.

I like Ray ok,never met him, don't know Bob personally either.

Gamma posted this to see what others on here have to say about the situation so here is my view point.

A. Gamma it wasn't your money, not your dog in the fight, stay out of it and let Bob speak for himself.

Should go for all of us.

B. I would not accept the kind of money that Ray accepted without knowing explicitly what it was meant to be - a donation or a loan. Once I knew what it was, I would get it in writing before accepting.

Yes, always put it in writing.

C. If Bob (not gamma, but Bob) thinks the money was a loan, then shame on him for not getting it in writing.

Yes indeedy.

D. If Ray knows it was a loan (in his heart of hearts, knows) then shame on him for taking advantage of someone being kind enough to help him.


IF.....big if.That's why ..GET IT IN WRITING!




First time, shame on you. Second time, shame on me. :wink:

You forgot......third time, WE GOTTA PROBLEM and someones gonna get it!

Excellent post.....Urackm I give 9 stars and one extra star for expressing most of my thoughts on the matter. Now I'm staying out of it.:thumbup2:

 

[cmbwsu]

Let's put this to rest Ray - seriously Page 1

Bob Enslow aka cmbwsu came to me loving what I was doing and wanted to be a contributor to my show. He portrayed himself as a streaming advocate. That idea was promising.

Actually, we had met on stream (OTR) for some time before this and had been communicating. During that time we discussed your concern over the fact that the trucking industry was not where it should be. You brought up the fact that you had conferred with another friend who suggested that perhaps you could pursue streaming full time as an avenue to go. You stated that you would like to but your equipment at that time was not compatible and didn't have the funds.

After doing a big show in Texas, Bob came to me and asked what it would take, dollar wise, to take my show to the next level. At that point I was simply a "weekend" warrior and I told him I would figure it up and let him know. I figured it would take about 2,300 to kick it up a notch. Bob said "done" and that a check was on the way. He would not entertain any discussion of re-payment and told me to focus on making the show better.

As pertains to me "not entertaining any discussion of repayment" needs clarification. You said something to the effect that you didn't know how you could ever repay me. I stated that, as a business man, I can tell you it takes about five years of sacrifice before a person knows whether or not a business will succeed because that's when all the initial investments are being taken out, that we would worry about payments being made down the line, and that for now let's just focus on making the show better at this point.

Bob continued to help with the show behind the scenes moderating and anything he could think of to be involved.

After a few months, with some consulting, I started thinking of ways to improve the show further, and the HD idea was formed. I sold my Diamond Table to purchase HD cams and a new computer. Once again Bob Enslow steps in and again volunteers to contribute whatever it would take to make the show as good as we could make it. At this time, I explored all possibilities for streaming and broadcasting. In addition to my Pool table proceeds, Bob was told an estimate of 5,200. Bob again said, "done".

This was all done on a group Skype with the entire team being present. You left off the part where I stated, "Remember the conversation we had before when I sent the first monies in that when in business it usually takes five years to determine if a business will succeed ... well it's the same thing here, we will worry about that later. Right now we are on a time crunch for Valley Forge and need to get things going." You acknowledged that conversation. I sent the check UPS the very next day, obtained tracking number, and informed the team when the check would arrive.

Bob never said, "can I loan you the cash?" AND I never asked him for a dime. On both occasions he played it off as his way of supporting what I was doing and to focus on making it one of the best shows out there that I could possibly do. I have held up my commitment to the best of my ability..

Correct, I did not say "can I loan you the cash", however, I never said it was a donation or a contribution either. Here again, we did discuss how long it takes for a business to make a determination of success/failure because of the aforementioned initial investments and things would be worked out later. As for your streaming, individual intestinal fortitude, sacrifice away from family, dedication to the game --> Outstanding!

B]Why?[/B]

When Bob Enslow first came to the show, he was very disgruntled with Fast Lenny. At numerous times while speaking with Bob, He went on and on about him buying Fast Lenny an expensive camera and Lenny not giving him any credit for it, as if he was done with supporting Fast Lenny and moving on to support what he thought was a more promising and ego fulfilling endeavor. At first I shrugged it off, but eventually I was drawn in to hating on Fast Lenny by Bob for this, (given I trusted his judgment} Lenny starting giving Bob more credit for his contribution and Bob calmed down. The bashing of Lenny never stopped though. Bob was constantly bashing Lenny's, Matt's and even TAR's productions. Bob is the nicest guy you will ever meet when he wants something, like to be included, but when his level of inclusion doesn't meet his expectations he turns to hatred and malice.

I was somewhat concerned but not disgruntled with Fast Lenny. What was being discussed was that I had helped Lenny and had not received an advertising receipt or ad as yet and a lot of time had gone by. It was merely a timeliness hint to you, which you obviously did not pick up on. It in no way was a bash against Lenny rather it was done with an understanding tone of voice. I also said that Lenny, at that time, had lots going on in his life right then (baby coming at that time? -- Jump in here Lenny and clarify), I was concerned and upset, but he came through with the ad I had paid for. Again, it was in no way bashing him. Once things were easier to handle on Lenny's end, he was able to send a receipt/invoice -- this was all congenial between him and I. I also mentioned, in a joking fashion, that Lenny had promised to send me a shirt but didn't have my size in stock and that I still hadn't gotten it. I've joked with Lenny about this but it's just that -- a joke/tease. Whether I got the shirt or not was not important then or now ... it was just another hint to be timely if you can but I will work with you if need be. In other words, I was using that situation as an example, where incidentally I had learned a great lesson (See note to Lenny below) so you would know that I would work with you.

Every time you seen someone post something about a "free" stream, especially if it (free) was in all caps, you took it as if it were aimed as a dig toward you. You told the team that "if you associate with this person or that you can't be part of the show". After that, and on several occasions, I made it known in group chat that, no matter what, I would be supporting Lenny and other streams, associate with/support them in that it's not a matter of quality, whether it is free or PPV, and do what I could to support them as it was getting our sport out there. This did not set well with you (you did not say it, but it was readily apparent). I also reminded them that this had been my outlook from the beginning and was why I put together the AZ Stream list in the first place and got involved in promoting streams. I was not out there promoting "me" as you wish others to believe here. I later updated it but, ustream has changed yet again ... errr. It was Lenny and OTR that got me thinking this way!

Lenny: The times have been meshed. I must admit that I have said some things that might not appear flattering. Some were based on being spoon fed stuff that I thought were true at the time but later learned were wrong. Also, as you know, it took a long time for my ad to go up on your stream which was in payment for the 1K I sent in support. During that time, and due to my improper impatience, poor judgment, and outright stupidity, I made comments that I should not have in regards to the ad not being up yet. They may have be thought of as being hateful but they were more out of concern as to "why" the ad had not been up yet. I should not have done that and was totally out of line and hereby man up and publicly apologize to you and the world. That was a long time ago (as you know). I learned from it, and is why I made the above statements to Ray in my above paragraph (it was already after the fact at that point). Sometimes venting can jump up and bite one in the arse. I am truly sorry. I was totally wrong/out-of-line and will never doubt you again -- you have my word. I should have never reacted in the manner I did. I should have never allowed my initial thoughts about you to become altered. I hold you in the highest regard as you are a man of your word! I was, and still am, very embarrassed about it and could not bring myself to tell you I did that to you "way back then". I am sorry this had to surface in this manner but am glad it is now off my chest as it has been bothering me for quite some time. I sincerely hope you accept my apology.

 

[cmbwsu]

Let's put this to rest Ray - seriously Page 2

After speaking with Bob I got the impression his original motivation was to make my show one of the top shows on the internet no matter what lengths it took to accomplish this ,seeing how he seemed like he was fueled by anger toward Lenny’s stream from the onset, he sounded like he wanted my show to outdo Lenny's, Accu-stats, and even TAR’s stream, no matter what the cost. He seemed like he wanted to knock them off the map. After not agreeing with his philosophy is when the conflict started.

Your impression is totally wrong. There was no anger. I was merely concerned in timeliness and was just somewhat disappointed (as stated above). You are blowing this totally out of proportion. As for me wanting to outdo everyone......you missed the point then and am missing it now. I was out trying to promote our sport thru streaming. Like anyone else, when wanting to do something --> do it right or don't do it at all. I was concerned and my emphasis was on purchasing equipment that would be adaptable to anything you needed in order to get the next level you were seeking so you wouldn't have to keep buying more and more equipment to get there. Not an ego trip, rather smart economics and timely sense. You kept making statements about other streams and making snide remarks on posts and I and other members stated to not worry about them and to just put the product out there and let it speak for itself.

Bob Enslow started his hate campaign about me behind the scenes, the same way he did with Fast Lenny and others,, only this time people who are my friends were telling me about it. I had a hard time believing it because Bob had never said anything negative about me to my knowledge.

No hate campaign. When someone has a situation like this they try to find solutions without going public. Rather, they confide in people for help/guidance/suggestions. "I was thinking about doing this or doing that .. what do you think/what would you do?" It's not a hate campaign but a cry for help. The hypothetical thread is an example of same ... one that I decided against doing based on feedback from those I had confided in. In fact, I asked AZ for it be removed before you even started this thread. It stated: "Please remove this thread as it is not good for anyone. Besides, I seriously don't think my health can take it. I have PMed Gammaray and asked him to contact you and have it removed." I was told that only the OP can request such an action. At this juncture, it's not my call.

The option I was leaning toward is as follows: Have an ad on the show saying something to the effect that the streaming equipment is provided courtesy of (insert business here) and an invoice for monies paid for bookkeeping purposes. You would not have to pay me a dime. Based on what has been going on here, I'd be willing to settle for an advertising invoice from you stating the respective amounts and put this all to rest. You don't even have to advertise anything. You got the money, you admitted it here -- just send an advertising invoice indicating respective amounts and it's over and let's get back to the felt. Contrary to your and possibly other's belief, I do not tell/force people to post threads.

When Gammaray called me saying you and him were talking on the phone and he thought I should know you were considering this as a donation and not a loan -- we were both dumbfounded. This became a topic of discussion during other Team Skypes. At first we (including me) thought that it was a misunderstanding and it was clear to them it was a loan. Two team members called you and later stated they told you it was in fact a loan and have convinced you of same and asked you to call me and work things out. When you called me I did not have my phone with me (left it at work by mistake). No message was left! I wanted it in writing, sent you these two emails (below), but, never received a reply. In the interim of these two emails both of those team members still thought it was all a misunderstanding and you would be paying, as did I. You had an opportunity to solve this long ago.

From: Bob Enslow (email addy removed)
Date: May 13, 2010 5:28:06 PM PDT
To: Ray Hansen (email addy removed)
Subject: A Loan Not a Donation

You adamantly stated to Giles and (name removed) that check #10989 dated Feb 10, 10 was a "donation" and was so annotated. It does not. My accountant told me to put "Internet Ads/Promos" for bookkeeping purposes only -- and that is what it states. To date there has not been any ads, promotions, or even invoices which attests to the fact that you knew it was a loan.

It was an interest free loan, as was the first money I sent, and the entire Stream Team knows this to be true. I do not expect the return of total monies in a lump some now; but, I do expect some sort of acceptable payment plan be set up soonest. The sooner you pay things off the better.

Bob

From: Bob Enslow (email addy removed)
Date: June 09, 2010 3:48:46 PM PDT
To: Ray Hansen (email addy removed)
Subject: A Loan Not a Donation

If a written email reply to this "almost one month old" request is not received within 72 hours, it will be assumed that you have no intention of repaying this loan.

<sponge.gif>
Bob

 

[cmbwsu]

Let's put this to rest Ray - seriously Page 3

B]The Last Straw[/B] (enter Gammaray)

Mr Enslow was constantly trying to recruit people to help out with the show (moderating, copy and pasting .etc).

At this time, Bob brings Gammaray to the attention of the show, wanting to have him help out with the show. I had told the team that I have met Gammaray, Giles Galt 29060-034, and was not comfortable with him being involved in the more sensitive conversations pertaining to the stream. Bob would show up to our meetings with Giles in tow, knowing how I felt. At this point Bob had been bad mouthing me with many derogatory comments (behind my back) for at least a month, about the amount of recognition he was getting for his contributions. Again, I asked Bob to please not bring Giles in on our discussions. Bob blows a gasket saying that I was trying to tell him who he could and couldn't talk to and hangs up. He then tells Giles that I wanted him off the team. This infuriates Giles. Giles Emile Galt 29060-034, aka Gammaray, can't seem to believe I wouldn't want him around. He becomes belligerent and hateful as well. He joins Bob's hate campaign.

During this time there were tons of tech issues going on and the mods were constantly in PM trying to help people in regards to same in order for them view the stream. Gammaray, on his own, noticed that and started helping out by assisting folks in the chat. We noticed that, talked about it (Skype), and made him a mod as, while in PM mode, we could not see if anything needed to be taken care of in the chat. He really came through for us in a time of need. That was the busiest tech issue night ever and we had appreciated what he had done and agreed to invite him on Skype. After talking with him a team member other then myself (it was not me as you stated above) called and asked him if he wanted to be part of the team. At this point you had never physically met Gammaray so how could you make such a judgment at that time? The first time you met him was at the Big Easy when he came to help you even though he was sick as a dog. As for anyone knowing that you did not want him around -- that was after Big Easy when you felt he did not help enough when all you had to do is tell him what you wanted done. As for me bad mouthing about recognition etc.: On Skype, after moderating for hours and hours and hours and at the end you didn't give "us" a shout out things were said yes -- and by "all" (not just me); but, not in the manner you wish folks to think here. What was said was all true and concurred upon by the whole team. There was no hate and discontent involved at all -- just BSing over an observation and a fact. I distinctly remember one member say "that's the hardest I have ever worked and got no thanks?" (followed by a laugh). Nothing was meant by any of it. We all know you were busy and may have just forgotten. It was no big deal.

You called and told Gammaray he was not on the team -- not me. That was the time you also said me an another team member were wasting too much time making fliers and all we were doing was finding and learning how to use various generators in an effort to find new creative ways to do things. I sent many of them to various followers of the stream asking what they thought and got some good feedback. It all was in an effort to improve your show. We were having fun doing it and became somewhat of a hobby with us. I think about those times and still miss them. Also, it was during this same conversation when it was learned that you felt the monies I had sent were contributions rather then loans. All these things were brought to the Skype table and discussed.

Another member (the one I was doing fliers with) was putting a stream together and Gammaray and I were talking with him about it. We were having fun hashing over ideas in regards to the format in an effort to provide something different that was pool related. You chime in and PM the following before even knowing the situation/subject matter:

You: I don't know why Giles is included in these conversations.

Me: (insert name here) invited him

You: He's just hanging out. Not a team player.
I will not discuss business with him in the conversation. Stream Team includes, Bob Enslow, (insert names here)
Me: We are watching (Removed name of team member whose stream was being discussed) now
We are not talking about anything geeeeez
I see I am not to be trusted or something Maybe I should just move on if I can't talk to anyone about anything -- WTF

You: You are the MOST trusted person I know.

Me: I can't talk about fishing or anything -- can I talk to my wife - would that be OK with you

You: Not following you Bob.

You: The crap Giles pulled at the show this weekend was the icing on the cake for me.

What led up to me getting upset was, this was the third time a similiar PM was sent: Once while I was talking to my wife and the other times when talking with business associates. I sent you an email about how I felt about this but it fell on deaf ears. The "crap" you refer to was Gammaray stating in the chat that he too was having the same tech issues that others had been talking about in the chat. He merely wanted you to know it was in fact true and not a fabrication so the problem could be solved. You perceived that as bad mouthing the show because he didn't inform you by PM. He did not know at that time you wished that sort of thing to be done in that fashion. If someone makes a minor error like this, it means only two things: They are doing something and learning by it.

 

[cmbwsu]

Let's put this to rest Ray - seriously Page 4

Since then, Bob has not answered or returned any phone calls from me. After a few weeks pass, he starts telling everyone that he "loaned me" the aforementioned funds and that I was refusing to pay it back.

Answered above.

He has never once discussed any of this with me. He started his hate campaign about me with anyone that would listen.

See the email.

Bob Enslow only hates behind your back. He likes to throw some cash around so you will give him a pass on it, but I'm convinced the man is in this for the recognition with the facade of “helping pool”. His buddy the Gammaray , The original poster of the accusatory thread who is of questionable character, reputation and back ground. An ex-con who is unemployed and lives with his Mom.

Cheap shots, just like the ones you have made on AZ -- some of which are mentioned within this very thread. It was all about promoting streaming and not about throwing cash around.

Bob Enslow's contribution to my show was deeply appreciated and helped the show advance at a faster pace. I was forced to part ways with him because of his constant and manic hating on everyone and everything that had to do with streaming. he was literally driving the entire show crazy with the hatred and negative ramblings about people, the others streams, and many more to be mentioned if necessary.

You parted ways with me after I found out you thought of the loan as a donation. It was only after two members called you saying they heard the conversation and it was in fact a loan that I was demoded and banned from your show. I brought this to the attention of a member who stated "If you come back in the room I will mod you whether he likes it or not. How can he ban the person who financed the show?" (Or something close to those words).

If anyone here has chosen to NOT do business with me or knows someone that has chosen to not do business with me because of Bob Enslow, Giles Emile Galt 29060-034, or because of any negative comments please let me know as I would at least like a chance to defend myself and the show, . My attorney would also like to talk with you.

Note to sponsors: This is just a total miscommunication. I in no way wish any harm to this business and want it to continue. It's not about the business but people. All that is needed/wanted at this point is an advertising invoice for monies sent for bookkeeping purposes. I do regret talking to some people seeking advice on what to do as it is obvious that things got twisted and some may have reacted inappropriately because of it. Mr Hansen has stated that people have talked to him about his matter too and things may have been twisted there as well -- who knows for certain about anything when humans are involved and things are passed from person to person to person. He is human and so am I. People react whether rightly or wrongly when they feel they/a friend have been taken advantage of or when they feel they are being talked about. This situation is a perfect case in point. If anything, I, or anyone I have confided in, have hindered this show in any way I will truly be saddened as I feel it is one of the best things that happened in pool in a long time. Ray is a great streamer and will get your product out there. This situation in no way should deter any sponsor.

These attacks strongly suggest that Mr. Enslow , who was brought up publicly by the recent thread, posted by Gammaray, seems to me that he is using Gammaray and others as pawns to deliver these attacks instead of coming out publicly or privately himself to discuss this matter, I Ray Hansen Aka Bigtruck am announcing this publicly due to the thread that was posted against myself.

I had no intention of making this public and attempted to work things out per the above emails and requesting that the "other thread" be removed. A member stated you may have removed me from your email list and may have not gotten them; however, I am aware that anything that comes up pertaining to the show are brought to your attention. Copies were sent to the entire team and I have talked with them and know they got them! I do not strong arm people and force them to make threads/statements. I have tried to stay out of this since this whole thing started; however, you and others have thrown my name out there so, being human, I felt I needed to respond.

By the way, when I confided with you about an idea/dream I had of possibly "someday" having a server strictly dedicated to anything played on felt, had a working name (Felt Central), and had been talking for sometime with others about that idea with excellent feedback ... why did you immediately go out and purchase Felt Central on Go Daddy.com without conferring with me? Never mind, there is no need to answer that.

Sincerely,


Ray Hansen


P.S. I have never posted a negative, hateful or libelous thread toward Mr. Enslow and or gammaray(who has absolutely nothing to do with this matter or the bigtruck show).

You just did! Gammaray was part of the team at that time and a witness to the loan and then there's your telling him that it was not in fact a loan.

It has been virtually impossible to even attempt to quash any of this, given the volume of attacks that are ensuing during and outside of the broadcasts.

We and many others involved all made errors/bad judgment calls and cried out when attacked. It's human nature unfortunately. Let's put this to rest. Just send an advertising invoice indicating the two amounts I sent and we're even. Once that is done--> it's over. Agreed?

Lets tear these threads down and move on! Breaking nuts suck, breaking balls rule!

 

[Bigtruck]

Bob,

Even though I disagree with much of what you have posted here, I'm not gonna post any rebuttals. I just wish you would contact me yourself and talk. I have said this from the first time I heard you were upset and have yet to here anything from you.

Why don't you simply contact me and try and work things out directly? You recruiting others to convey your thoughts and feelings are what has got us in this situation.

Ray
254-379-2569

 

[sde]

Bob,

Even though I disagree with much of what you have posted here, I'm not gonna post any rebuttals. I just wish you would contact me yourself and talk. I have said this from the first time I heard you were upset and have yet to here anything from you.

Why don't you simply contact me and try and work things out directly? You recruiting others to convey your thoughts and feelings are what has got us in this situation.

Ray
254-379-2569

You know that Bob has told me his side of this, but what I guess you don't know is that Bob did not bad mouth you. Bob and I talked many times about this and basically all he ever did, was to ask my opinion. He never once asked me to speak for him, in fact he asked me not to bring this public.

It's true that I don't know what he said to his other friends that he confided in but to me he has always been a stand up guy and I believe what he says.

Now Bob is only asking for you to send him receipts/invoices for the money he invested with your show. I hope that you will do that so this can all be put to rest.

Steve

 

[chefjeff]

Let's say you worked for years trying to find a way to put a positive image on pool (snip)

Perhaps a variation of your goal is due?

Pool players seem mostly to be bums when it comes to promises and money. Trying to put lipstick on a pig might not be the best idea. I've tried it and failed miserably.

But, hope remains!

Jeff Livingston

 

[MahnaMahna]

IMO- I really did not want to reply to your comments, but I just cant help myself- Looking at your avatar- You must live in the San Fransico area! How is that for whining!:grin:

I do live in the San Francisco area! Good for you for learning your geography, was the a required course during your stay in prison? And my avatar is directly linked to my user name, which is from the "The Muppet Show". Which has nothing to do with San Francisco. But I digress, it is not as though your ramblings are worth a sh*t any ways.

You may now continue inserting your self and your BS into matters that have nothing to do with you. From the responses on this excellent thread you have started, clearly I am not the only one who is wishing that stupid hurt. You would be in a lot of pain.....

 

[pulzcul]

Obviously there is nothing "hypothetical" about this post. You have stirred up a hornets nest when you should have kept it private. By posting a personal grievance on a public forum you invite people like me that have no involvement in your dilemna to post an opinion/remarks. So heres mine. Shut up about it on line. Forgive. Keep working together and you will get all your money back and more. Believe me when I say God has a way of balancing things out.

 

[dorabelle]

I'm quoting myself here. I want to add after reading Gammaray's post the following thing that will happen:

YOU will become the fool. You infact have become the fool. I just read your post explaining what happened, and it sounded like you were a 7th grade girl arguing with another 7th grade girl that a boy likes you more than he likes the other girl. I honestly can't believe what I'm reading here. I'm literally sitting here shaking my head at this crap.

Advice for those who ever get stiffed, cheated, betrayed, lied to, etc: DONT TELL ANYONE. It will make you look like a fool. People will even think YOUR DESERVED it. You will come off looking like a fool.

Instead, keep it to yourself. Learn why it happened. Make sure this new knowledge prevents it from happening it to you again. Use it for positive.

If Gamma is in the right, then it is good to talk about this because it can save someone else down the road. You shouldnt feel like a fool and go hide if someone ripped you off. I dont know the situation and am not saying he did but IF this is true then for sure he should talk about it.

 

[peteypooldude]

Unless our community is residing over this indecent ,
Then I would have to say it is just airing dirty laundry
on our sport . This should be a private matter imo .
You hear one side of a story and it sounds exact and sincere
And people take sides . They hear the other side and regret
they had any input at all . I am glad I missed that opportunity to
make that mistake . I don't think Ray scammed anyone .
I think it was part misinterpretation and part change of heart .
From what I have read , Ray would have had to be REAL good at reading
in between the lines to know Bobs intentions or expectations . If
you have expectations , they should be bluntly stated even if it is a friend.
If it was not a friend but more a business loan , It would have been in black
and white and not HINTS

 

[dorabelle]

It would be good to get all the details from each side. If no one has anything to hide then they wouldnt have a hard time talking about it. If I accepted money from someone, and someone said i wasnt being honest about my end, i would be able to talk about it and stick up for myself if I was being honest. This is a bit of money we are talking about. Maybe now is a good time for a promisary note.

 

[Bigtruck]

It would be good to get all the details from each side. If no one has anything to hide then they wouldnt have a hard time talking about it. If I accepted money from someone, and someone said i wasnt being honest about my end, i would be able to talk about it and stick up for myself if I was being honest. This is a bit of money we are talking about. Maybe now is a good time for a promisary note.

Yes Dora, It was done in the other thread.

Bob Enslow and I have been in contact.

In the interest of advancing pool and each others interest, we are going to work things out between us in private.

I stayed up too late and am pressed for time now so you may wish to "post" that we have made contact and will be attempting to work things out between ourselves. Copy and paste this as a means to do that if you'd like.
Bob

 

[dorabelle]

Yes Dora, It was done in the other thread.

Bob Enslow and I have been in contact.

In the interest of advancing pool and each others interest, we are going to work things out between us in private.

hope everything gets worked out and let me know where i can watch. I love to watch pool. good luck guys. Sometime business is tough.

 

[oldzilla]

Yes Dora, It was done in the other thread.

Bob Enslow and I have been in contact.

In the interest of advancing pool and each others interest, we are going to work things out between us in private.

This is a great and fantastic developement !

I have been hoping for this thing to be worked out, I love it !

:smile:

 

[Gammaray]

I do live in the San Francisco area! Good for you for learning your geography, was the a required course during your stay in prison? And my avatar is directly linked to my user name, which is from the "The Muppet Show". Which has nothing to do with San Francisco. But I digress, it is not as though your ramblings are worth a sh*t any ways.

You may now continue inserting your self and your BS into matters that have nothing to do with you. From the responses on this excellent thread you have started, clearly I am not the only one who is wishing that stupid hurt. You would be in a lot of pain.....

It is people like you that give pool and other things a bad name! You should just stick to your pink little muppet friends as IMO- that may be the only things that like you!:bash:

 

[Gammaray]

If Gamma is in the right, then it is good to talk about this because it can save someone else down the road. You shouldnt feel like a fool and go hide if someone ripped you off. I dont know the situation and am not saying he did but IF this is true then for sure he should talk about it.

Thanks Dorabelle! Well said! My first intentions were to only take a poll as what others here would do had that happened to them. That was it, nothing more! Then the cat was let out of the bag. I did not once say a bad thing about Ray or anyone else until they started bashing me. I told the truth about the way things happened until they turned bad. I just wanted things to be right. I hope that things will work out for them! Bigtruck was way, and I mean WAY- out of line with his post! Sometimes when you stretch the truth to make yourself look like you did nothing wrong and it was all the other guy's faults, will come back to haunt you!

-Gamma

 

[dorabelle]

If it was my 10 grand, id be talking about it too and be putting pressure on any way I could. I think that good did come out of this thread because they are now talking. And now maybe they will get something in writing and hopefully they can work together.

 

[APA7]

Iz this the same Ray Hansen that hit on N creeped out Devil Dave's daughter when he stayed at their house?? :frown: