World 14.1 Championships...re-draw after RR?

Dagwoodz

Dagwoodz

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Just curious how they were doing the draw after the RR format was completed. A couple of questions...don't know if anyone other than the tournament staff know the answer...

- How many players are moving through from the RR format?
- Are they seeding the players in the charts?
- If they only move the top three from each group, are they giving the overall top eight players byes? (since the top player from each group went undefeated)
- If the above is true, are the rest done as a random draw? Or as a seeded draw?
- Are they seeding players by W/L, then points difference, then points for, then points against?

Just trying to make sense of it, as I didn't see anything posted about it anywhere.

Dagz
 
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Dagwoodz said:
Just curious how they were doing the draw after the RR format was completed. A couple of questions...don't know if anyone other than the tournament staff know the answer...

Just trying to make sense of it, as I didn't see anything posted about it anywhere.

Dagz
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My guess:

- How many players are moving through from the RR format? 3*8 =24
- Are they seeding the players in the charts? I can't imagine that they don't seed the players
- If they only move the top three from each group, are they giving the overall top eight players byes? (since the top player from each group went undefeated) Sounds right
- If the above is true, are the rest done as a random draw? Or as a seeded draw? Seeded draw
- Are they seeding players by W/L, then points difference, then points for, then points against? Looks right
 
Just for fun I went ahead and rated the players based upon W/L, then point differential. The different columns are as follows:

(Group#) - Name - W/L - Points For - Points Against - Points differential

(4) Johnny Archer: 5/0 - 500 PF - 59 PA +441
(2) Mike Sigel: 5/0 - 500 PF - 121 PA +379
(5) Dave Daya: 5/0 - 500 PF - 151 PA +349
(7) Lo Li Wen: 5/0 - 500 PF - 192 PA +308
(1) Jasmin Ouschan: 5/0 - 500 PF - 199 PA +301
(6) Danny Barouty 5/0 - 500 PF - 226 PA +274
(8) Ralf Eckert: 5/0 - 500 PF - 237 PA +263
(3) Oliver Ortmann: 5/0 - 500 PF - 251 PA +249

(1) Stephan Cohen: 4/1 - 461 PF - 150 PA +311
(5) T. Hohmann: 4/1 - 411 PF - 183 PA +228
(8) C. Williams: 4/1 - 467 PF - 245 PA +222
(6) Huidje See: 4/1 - 400 PF - 191 PA +209

(7) N. Van den Berg: 3/2 - 392 PF - 247 PA +145
(8) Earl Herring: 3/2 - 414 PF - 289 PA +125
(2) Zion Zvi: 3/2 - 453 PF - 339 PA +114
(3) Max Eberle: 3/2 - 439 PF - 339 PA +100
(2) Mika Immonen: 3/2 - 395 PF - 309 PA +86
(4) Tony Robles: 3/2 - 359 PF - 299 PA +60
(5) Shaun Wilkie: 3/2 - 399 PF - 345 PA +54
(4) Dan Heidrich: 3/2 - 386 PF - 341 PA +45
(1) Tom Walters: 3/2 - 345 PF - 318 PA +27
(7) Steve Lipsky: 3/2 - 335 PF - 310 PA +25
(2) Jonathan Smith: 3/2 - 367 PF - 346 PA +21
(3) Danny Smith: 3/2 - 397 PF - 384 PA +13

(4) Jonni Fulcher: 2/3 - 363 PF - 347 PA +16
(5) G. Hofstatter: 2/3 - 340 PF - 351 PA -11
(7) Chris Lynch: 2/3 - 339 PF - 362 PA -23
(6) L. Shuffett: 2/3 - 320 PF - 355 PA -35
(7) B. Chamberlain: 2/3 - 368 PF - 419 PA -51
(3) Zaid Thweib: 2/3 - 341 PF - 448 PA -107
(1) Andy Lincoln: 2/3 - 300 PF - 413 PA -113
(6) Tom Karabotsos: 2/3 - 335 PF - 481 PA -146
(8) Jeff Mohl: 2/3 - 267 PF - 414 PA -147
(4) Megan Smith: 2/3 - 264 PF - 427 PA -165

(3) Bob Madenjian: 1/4 - 361 PF - 447 PA -86
(6) James Heller: 1/4 - 363 PF - 473 PA -110
(8) Holden Chin: 1/4 - 304 PF - 421 PA -117
(3) Micheal Yednak: 1/4 - 304 PF - 473 PA -169
(6) B. Stottlemyer: 1/4 - 276 PF - 468 PA -192
(5) Charlie Eames: 1/4 - 203 PF - 480 PA -277
(1) Louis Pannullo: 1/4 - 200 PF - 480 PA -280
(2) Jim Gottier: 1/4 - 179 PF - 494 PA -315

(2) Ed Culhane: 0/5 - 215 PF - 500 PA -285
(1) Ed Moody: 0/5 - 194 PF - 500 PA -306
(5) Badi Nazhat: 0/5 - 157 PF - 500 PA -343
(8) Steve Kurtz: 0/5 - 153 PF - 500 PA -347
(4) Peter Burrows: 0/5 - 101 PF - 500 PA -399
(7) T. Kumatori: 0/5 - 96 PF - 500 PA -404
 
I read that Landon Shuffett did not advance out of the Round Robin stages, so it looks like they are going off of "points for". If that's the case, then he missed the cut by 15 points. Brutal. Also, Tom Karabatsos, (who beat Landon out for the third place in their group) was the only player to qualify with a sub .500 record. Jonathan Smith finished 4th in his group with a 3/2 record. More brutalness. Here is the break down in that case...

(4) Johnny Archer: 5/0 - 500 PF - 59 PA +441
(2) Mike Sigel: 5/0 - 500 PF - 121 PA +379
(5) Dave Daya: 5/0 - 500 PF - 151 PA +349
(7) Lo Li Wen: 5/0 - 500 PF - 192 PA +308
(1) Jasmin Ouschan: 5/0 - 500 PF - 199 PA +301
(6) Danny Barouty 5/0 - 500 PF - 226 PA +274
(8) Ralf Eckert: 5/0 - 500 PF - 237 PA +263
(3) Oliver Ortmann: 5/0 - 500 PF - 251 PA +249

(8) C. Williams: 4/1 - 467 PF - 245 PA +222
(1) Stephan Cohen: 4/1 - 461 PF - 150 PA +311
(5) T. Hohmann: 4/1 - 411 PF - 183 PA +228
(6) Huidje See: 4/1 - 400 PF - 191 PA +209

(2) Zion Zvi: 3/2 - 453 PF - 339 PA +114
(3) Max Eberle: 3/2 - 439 PF - 339 PA +100
(8) Earl Herring: 3/2 - 414 PF - 289 PA +125
(5) Shaun Wilkie: 3/2 - 399 PF - 345 PA +54
(3) Danny Smith: 3/2 - 397 PF - 384 PA +13
(2) Mika Immonen: 3/2 - 395 PF - 309 PA +86
(7) N. Van den Berg: 3/2 - 392 PF - 247 PA +145
(4) Dan Heidrich: 3/2 - 386 PF - 341 PA +45
(2) Jonathan Smith: 3/2 - 367 PF - 346 PA +21
(4) Tony Robles: 3/2 - 359 PF - 299 PA +60
(1) Tom Walters: 3/2 - 345 PF - 318 PA +27
(7) Steve Lipsky: 3/2 - 335 PF - 310 PA +25

(7) B. Chamberlain: 2/3 - 368 PF - 419 PA -51
(4) Jonni Fulcher: 2/3 - 363 PF - 347 PA +16
(3) Zaid Thweib: 2/3 - 341 PF - 448 PA -107
(5) G. Hofstatter: 2/3 - 340 PF - 351 PA -11
(7) Chris Lynch: 2/3 - 339 PF - 362 PA -23
(6) Tom Karabotsos: 2/3 - 335 PF - 481 PA -146
(6) L. Shuffett: 2/3 - 320 PF - 355 PA -35
(1) Andy Lincoln: 2/3 - 300 PF - 413 PA -113
(8) Jeff Mohl: 2/3 - 267 PF - 414 PA -147
(4) Megan Smith: 2/3 - 264 PF - 427 PA -165

(6) James Heller: 1/4 - 363 PF - 473 PA -110
(3) Bob Madenjian: 1/4 - 361 PF - 447 PA -86
(8) Holden Chin: 1/4 - 304 PF - 421 PA -117
(3) Micheal Yednak: 1/4 - 304 PF - 473 PA -169
(6) B. Stottlemyer: 1/4 - 276 PF - 468 PA -192
(5) Charlie Eames: 1/4 - 203 PF - 480 PA -277
(1) Louis Pannullo: 1/4 - 200 PF - 480 PA -280
(2) Jim Gottier: 1/4 - 179 PF - 494 PA -315

(2) Ed Culhane: 0/5 - 215 PF - 500 PA -285
(1) Ed Moody: 0/5 - 194 PF - 500 PA -306
(5) Badi Nazhat: 0/5 - 157 PF - 500 PA -343
(8) Steve Kurtz: 0/5 - 153 PF - 500 PA -347
(4) Peter Burrows: 0/5 - 101 PF - 500 PA -399
(7) T. Kumatori: 0/5 - 96 PF - 500 PA -404
 
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Dagwoodz said:
Just curious how they were doing the draw after the RR format was completed. A couple of questions...don't know if anyone other than the tournament staff know the answer...

- How many players are moving through from the RR format?
- Are they seeding the players in the charts?
- If they only move the top three from each group, are they giving the overall top eight players byes? (since the top player from each group went undefeated)
- If the above is true, are the rest done as a random draw? Or as a seeded draw?
- Are they seeding players by W/L, then points difference, then points for, then points against?

Just trying to make sense of it, as I didn't see anything posted about it anywhere.

Dagz
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Lipsky posted today's draw in the 14.1 section:
http://forums.azbilliards.com/showthread.php?t=204605

The info on the drawing:
http://www.dragonpromotions.com/2010_141_info.pdf
 
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A lil off topic but it seemed many more balls were rattling on the TV table yesterday. Jasmin hit a few pretty good that didnt drop. Still in all-pretty big pockets.
 
How did they initially do the draw, and how did they do the redraw?
Was it public? On a computer? Back room? Mystery?
 
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