Did Barry bring the Cash into the arena???

[GetMeThere]

Someone please explaine to me the difference between going into a pool room stalling to get a game then robbing the guy. And picking up the phone telling a tall tail to someone and have them sending you their $$$.

In both cases its money obtained under false pretenses.


If I came on here and said I made a $1000score playing one hole ast night i'm a hero, if I said I talked someone into wireing me $1000 I'm a criminal. please clarify this for me.

And who in the world tells the truth at a poker table?

or when a casino busts a degenerate gambler and they lose it all, remember I live in Vegas and seen that happen many times. yet casino's are never considered bad guys.



Clear all that up for me someone, please.

whats the difference????????smart guys

I think you need to spend some time and think these through. They're each VERY different from the others.

Just ONE example: ONLY in the one where you take people's money with no intention of sending them what was promised is the outcome CERTAIN. And all the others represent scenarios where the loser has a decent chance to know what he's up against.

You said you knew you were wrong to rip people off. So now don't try to undo that. You made a mistake--and you stopped a LONG time ago. Just lead a good life from now on. You don't have to take s*** from people for making a mistake--the people giving you s*** probably made MORE mistakes than you.

 

[ribdoner]

IMO, you're exactly right it is money obtained under false pretenses. The difference to me would be that gamblers in general, be it pool or casinos, willingly enter into an environment where it is understood that everyone is trying to win and moves are part of the game, that there is risk involved with every transaction. Old people, most who presumably live on pensions or in retirement homes, aren't used to entering into every transaction they make with the threat of getting ripped off. They are of a different generation and didn't grown up facing what we take for granted today. Some of them undoubtedly have weakened mental faculties, memory loss, loneliness from watching their peers die, and are looking to be part of something, etc. There is a difference.

todd

The state, messengers of the word, business, barristers, etc. would never try to hoodwink someone, eh?

Todd, no waters are safe...

 

[Fatboy]

I think you're the one that doesn't get it.

First of all you don't have to answer to anybody. There's no reason to on a forum like this. But you choose to which is your choice. Either way is fine with me.

But blaming the negative posts on people who live paycheck to paycheck and are jealous of you is arrogant and out of touch. You get negative posts because people perceive you as a self-promoter and a person who seems to find endless ways to get their wealth into a post. Not every person on this forum is broke but they don't spend a lot time talking about it to bask in whatever.

And there's the constant complaints that you haven't made a dollar in income the last two years yet you brag about multimillion net worth and that you live in a mansion. Poor little rich boy.

It's not very pretty fatboy. That's why people react, not jealousy.

And not to mention you made a serious charge against the tournament promoter yet nobody's complained about not getting paid.

look man I know Barry, we get along fine. he said he was bringing the $70,000 and he didnt. how simple is that? if he pays them but didnt bring the $$$ no big deal, I'll know more later. there is no serious charge, your soft, you know why I can tell-because you never faced a serious charge. I just stated the facts the cash wasnt there. simple. or are you still confused?



I know piles of people in pool and I dont mean league players, drunks, or bangers. I know the people that make pool happen. Had I not suffered a monster financial set back I'd be one of those people on the inside making things happen more than I do now, but I still do. do you? FYI.


the only reason I'm still in my mansion is I had the foresight to save my $$$, and lived well below my means, something you might not understand.

 

[Fatboy]

I think you need to spend some time and think these through. They're each VERY different from the others.

Just ONE example: ONLY in the one where you take people's money with no intention of sending them what was promised is the outcome CERTAIN. And all the others represent scenarios where the loser has a decent chance to know what he's up against.

You said you knew you were wrong to rip people off. So now don't try to undo that. You made a mistake--and you stopped a LONG time ago. Just lead a good life from now on. You don't have to take s*** from people for making a mistake--the people giving you s*** probably made MORE mistakes than you.

i know alot of pool players who wont bet unless its a lock, whats the difference. Others gamble and take a shot-thats different.

 

[realkingcobra]

And not to mention you made a serious charge against the tournament promoter yet nobody's complained about not getting paid.

ahhh...no, Berry himself made that promise...that he'd show the money to everyone...in cash to dispel anyones concerns about the players getting paid this year...so to question what happened with "that" promise...is not a serious charge...it's a "QUESTION"...as to what happened?


And not once has he said someone hasn't been paid as of yet...has he?

Get your facts straight

 

[sunnyday]

All you people interested about Fatboy's business and past should start a separate thread on NPR.

I think Fatboy has raised a valid question asking if Barry B. followed through with his promise. Especially after making an official press release and getting a full field somewhat a result of promising to pay cash on spot. Barry B. started that topic and Fatboy should not be attacked for asking a question.

I for one would really like to know.

 

[sunnyday]

Basically, my beef is did the players get taken care of? I don't care about anything else.

S.

 

[Cuebuddy]

I am one of the people on here that has not contributed to the sport of pool, I play it and collect items related to it and spend way to much time on this site pretending that I might be someone in the game. But if I ever do make a difference you better believe that I would toot my horn a little now and then. People like Eric, Glen, Keeb, Grady, Jay, Terry and yes Barry not to mention many many more (you know who you are) don't receive enough praise for their actions from the people like me that just sit around and pretend. The people around the world that continually breath life into a game that would other wise perish are what makes this game limp along. Thanks to each and everyone here that actually tries to make a difference.

 

[GetMeThere]

i know alot of pool players who wont bet unless its a lock, whats the difference.

I'm just sayin'...it doesn't do you any good to think "everybody's as bad as I was."

Besides, as others have mentioned, in competition, "feints and psych games" are known to be a part of it. That's different from outright fraud.

If somebody comes up to me from nowhere and offers a bet, I'm a FOOL to think the odds of winning are gonna be fair. But if someone who seems like a fair businessman offers someone a business deal, many people would take it. We all do business, in one way or another, all day long.

Why are you trying to so hard to convince yourself and others about this? It's better to just acknowledge you made a mistake, and move on to better things (as it seems you have). You seem like a nice guy--you should just drop this crap and just make sure in the future you do what's right.

The people harassing you about this are phonies. If a guy makes a mistake and owns up to it, then he shouldn't be ragged about it forever. That's how I see it.

 

[realkingcobra]

i know alot of pool players who wont bet unless its a lock, whats the difference. Others gamble and take a shot-thats different.

Eric...there's nothing here to win buddy...let them go...you've made your point, now bow out gracefully

Glen

 

[Woof Biscuit]

yeah they sure are great biz men,

I have one question for them(not all of them but most of them)-If they are so smart why arnt they rich? All the richer people than I was I knew were a lot smarter than me and I'm the first to admit it, i'm far from the sharpest knife in the drawer. most people cant admit their weaknesses. It takes a strong man to admit he is weak,

The answer to this is really quite simple. Money is not the most important thing in most peoples lives. I honestly feel sorry for people who think that it is. They will never know what it means to truly be happy.

I am a professional with several pieces of paper hanging on my office wall. I rarely (if ever) sit and think about how to make more money. My thoughts are about contributing something and leaving the world better than I found it. To me, once you are comfortable (middle class) none of that paper chasing matters anymore.

Taking something from someone who is defenseless (the elderly) is probably the most cowardly thing that you could do. On the other hand, standing up for someone who can't help themselves is a very noble act, but their ain't much money in it.

 

[MahnaMahna]

Someone please explaine to me the difference between going into a pool room stalling to get a game then robbing the guy. And picking up the phone telling a tall tail to someone and have them sending you their $$$.

In both cases its money obtained under false pretenses.


If I came on here and said I made a $1000score playing one hole ast night i'm a hero, if I said I talked someone into wireing me $1000 I'm a criminal. please clarify this for me.

And who in the world tells the truth at a poker table?

or when a casino busts a degenerate gambler and they lose it all, remember I live in Vegas and seen that happen many times. yet casino's are never considered bad guys.



Clear all that up for me someone, please.

whats the difference????????smart guys

Really? You really can't see the difference? OK, here it is:

-You stall in pool so the other person will think they are robbing you and can't lose.

-You flat out lie to innocent and non-consenting people who have no idea they are participating in a scam.

Maybe both are under false pretenses, but are completely different situations.

Yes, you win a game of 1 pocket and people will be impressed. You lie and tell someone a line of bullshit to get them to send you money in the hopes of it being returned, receiving a product or service, or it going to a good cause that is completely false, you are a pice of sh*t.

Poker is gambling, phone scams are illegal and dishonest.

Poker and the casinos have one thing going for them that a scammer does not: they are very up front and open about what they are doing and what they are about. Scammers have to lie and cheat people to make a dime.

There ya go, point by point.

But again, this thread is getting derailed. You have said in the last few posts that the intent was to make sure the players were paid, not really the fact that the money wasn't rolled out with girls and guards. Could someone please call Appleton or Duell and find out the truth?

 

[Fatboy]

All you people interested about Fatboy's business and past should start a separate thread on NPR.

I think Fatboy has raised a valid question asking if Barry B. followed through with his promise. Especially after making an official press release and getting a full field somewhat a result of promising to pay cash on spot. Barry B. started that topic and Fatboy should not be attacked for asking a question.

I for one would really like to know.

Thank you,

This is why where ever I go(in the pool world) I have a armed guard near me. I ask a question, a legit one at that, not inflamatory and all of a sudden all the haters come out. For other reasons I'm awalys armed-I just wish I could play pool good as I can shoot a gun:smile:

best
eric

 

[Fatboy]

Really? You really can't see the difference? OK, here it is:

-You stall in pool so the other person will think they are robbing you and can't lose.

-You flat out lie to innocent and non-consenting people who have no idea they are participating in a scam.

Maybe both are under false pretenses, but are completely different situations.

Yes, you win a game of 1 pocket and people will be impressed. You lie and tell someone a line of bullshit to get them to send you money in the hopes of it being returned, receiving a product or service, or it going to a good cause that is completely false, you are a pice of sh*t.

Poker is gambling, phone scams are illegal and dishonest.

Poker and the casinos have one thing going for them that a scammer does not: they are very up front and open about what they are doing and what they are about. Scammers have to lie and cheat people to make a dime.

There ya go, point by point.

But again, this thread is getting derailed. You have said in the last few posts that the intent was to make sure the players were paid, not really the fact that the money wasn't rolled out with girls and guards. Could someone please call Appleton or Duell and find out the truth?

thanks I'm just a dumb ass, I appericate your clairifacation.


here since your so smart maybe you would like to buy my house I dropped it from $60,000,000. you'll getting a hell of a deal. anyone sharp as you this is just pocket change.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7030-Tomiyasu-Lane_Las-Vegas_NV_89120_M10022-36452

Now you know where to find me, come visit when your in Vegas I'd gladly pay you for your time, I need the lessions.


Security disclaimer:
For anyone thinking of jumping the walls and robbing me, etc. I have more security than you'll live through. So go rob an easier target-its not worth dieing for.

 

[Nostroke]

Basically, my beef is did the players get taken care of? I don't care about anything else.

S.

That's not enough. Barry promised and was supposed to show the money up front. He may have successfully paid up from the gate money which if there had been a flood or worse, 3/4 of it wouldnt have been there.

Given his history in this area and despite all his good deeds in pool, he should show the money. He himself felt he should show the money only 3 months ago, cmon. Barry is a huge plus for pool but he is a 'D' on paying in full on time. He should post (and he knows it) until he has 3 problem free years or so.

Now Im thinking possibly, Johnny's group may have seen the money in the bank beforehand and signed off on it. If that happened then I dont see a sin in not havin the dog and pony show, though i think BB should have acknowledged his coming up short on it.

 

[Fatboy]

The answer to this is really quite simple. Money is not the most important thing in most peoples lives. I honestly feel sorry for people who think that it is. They will never know what it means to truly be happy.

.

then why do they go to work everyday? and retire 10 years before they die, given the choice nobody(well almost nobody) would choose work($$$) over leisure. and if people didnt care about $$$ then why do unions exist???? Let the bosses keep the money???? that dont sound right,.


believe me given the choice 99.8% of the people in the world would perfer having $$$ to having to sacrifice the best years of their lifes to get it.

 

[MahnaMahna]

ahhh...no, Berry himself made that promise...that he'd show the money to everyone...in cash to dispel anyones concerns about the players getting paid this year...so to question what happened with "that" promise...is not a serious charge...it's a "QUESTION"...as to what happened?


And not once has he said someone hasn't been paid as of yet...has he?

Get your facts straight

Glen, Fatboy has said in several posts now that this thread's intentions was to see if the players have been paid, and he doesn't really care if the cash was brought out with guards.

I do have to say that only one or two people immediately brought up Fatboy's past. I agree that it is good he doesn't do those bad things he used to do. But his responses to those people are concerning and should be addressed.

I know Fatboy isn't the best at communicating through the computer (as he has admitted in the past) and maybe some of his posts have too much emotion and reaction in them.

 

[justadub]

Eric, remember internet rule number 1: "Don't Feed The Trolls."

It ain't worth the aggravation you're getting.

 

[mlalum]

thanks I'm just a dumb ass, I appericate your clairifacation.


here since your so smart maybe you would like to buy my house I dropped it from $60,000,000. you'll getting a hell of a deal. anyone sharp as you this is just pocket change.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7030-Tomiyasu-Lane_Las-Vegas_NV_89120_M10022-36452

Now you know where to find me, come visit when your in Vegas I'd gladly pay you for your time, I need the lessions.


Security disclaimer:
For anyone thinking of jumping the walls and robbing me, etc. I have more security than you'll live through. So go rob an easier target-its not worth dieing for.

Do you have to drive around in an armored stretch limo too?

 

[MahnaMahna]

thanks I'm just a dumb ass, I appericate your clairifacation.


here since your so smart maybe you would like to buy my house I dropped it from $60,000,000. you'll getting a hell of a deal. anyone sharp as you this is just pocket change.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/7030-Tomiyasu-Lane_Las-Vegas_NV_89120_M10022-36452

Now you know where to find me, come visit when your in Vegas I'd gladly pay you for your time, I need the lessions.


Security disclaimer:
For anyone thinking of jumping the walls and robbing me, etc. I have more security than you'll live through. So go rob an easier target-its not worth dieing for.

Translation:

Hey you! You! Hey you! Look! Look at me! Look at my cool house! I'm cool aren't I? Hello? Hey look!