Did Barry bring the Cash into the arena???

[BlowFish]

With all the people there can somone answers the question? Did he post the cash. Yes or no?

Thx

12hrs and no one confirming to me means NO.

 

[justnum]

Accounting 101

1 * 40000 = 40000
1 * 15000 = 15000
1 * 10000 = 10000
1 * 8000 = 8000
2 * 6000 = 12000
2 * 4500 = 9000
4 * 3000 = 12000
4 * 2000 = 8000
8 * 1500 = 12000
8 * 1250 = 10000
16 * 1000 = 16000
16 * 750 = 12000
32 * 500 = 16000
+ 180000
I checked to make sure the payout added to 180,000. Sometimes when I am out buying stuff people don't add up correctly.

 

[Tony_in_MD]

I was there but saw no stacks of cash.

With all the people there can somone answers the question? Did he post the cash. Yes or no?

Thx

 

[justnum]

Go ahead and price out that bleacher set up, advertising, office staff, tournament directors and about a hundred other expenses and then run your numbers again.

Posts like this one remind me of the player who swore Diamond kept 200 bar tables in storage year around in Vegas and only used them once a year for the May BCAPL event.

Bleachers costs about $300 a piece for 6 days is $1800.
Advertising: $0 Billiard magazines aren't that popular, KT was on the cover of BD, they aren't a high volume publication.
Office Staff: 8 people at $400 daily. 3200 * 6 = 19200
Tables: 15 tables at $3000 a piece, 45000.

If anything there should be a sanction fee if the event is related to a major professional governing association like the BCA or something. I tried to think why he would not renew a Brunswick contract and most times people don't want to pay new costs, I don't know how well Brunswick is doing but they would know how many people attend the events over the decades.

Maybe $90,000 as a low figure.

Those are just expenses, so I assume income comes from ticket, food, drink and booth sales.

 

[Thecoats]

Bleachers costs about $300 a piece for 6 days is $1800.
Advertising: $0 Billiard magazines aren't that popular, KT was on the cover of BD, they aren't a high volume publication.
Office Staff: 8 people at $400 daily. 3200 * 6 = 19200
Tables: 15 tables at $3000 a piece, 45000.

If anything there should be a sanction fee if the event is related to a major professional governing association like the BCA or something. I tried to think why he would not renew a Brunswick contract and most times people don't want to pay new costs, I don't know how well Brunswick is doing but they would know how many people attend the events over the decades.

Maybe $90,000 as a low figure.

Those are just expenses, so I assume income comes from ticket, food, drink and booth sales.

You can run your rough order of magnitude (aka Swinging Wild Ass Guess) numbers until you are blue in the face and I can guarantee you Barry is not getting rich from the U.S. Open. I have never been to Chesapeake and don't know Barry from Barney the Dinosaur, but he is the only reason that the U.S. Open is the longest running championship in the pool world.

It seems like we always have someone surmising after any big event how much the organizers are pocketing and how so-and-so could just do it and provide so much more for the players. I think the pool world is extremely fortunate that Barry, Alan Hopkins, Greg Sullivan, and Mark Griffin are all committed to the betterment of the game and provide great vehicles for players and fan to enjoy large field and exposition style events several times during the calendar year.

Sorry to challenge your assumptions and I am not knocking your thoughts just trying to add a little reality to the situation. I can guarantee you that if we had to rely on players to organize a large event it would more than likely not happen and when one did happen it would not have longer term staying potential.

-don

 

[Johnnyt]

If the cash was out on the area floor at 1 pm it would have been put on ppv many times and/or people that were there would have saw it and responded to this by now. I'm not saying all players weren't paid but it's clear there was no cash or armored guard there like Barry said was going to happen. Johnnyt

 

[justnum]

They were plain-clothes undercover armored guards. That's why no one saw them. But they were paid for.

 

[KoolKat9Lives]

Nakedish pic's attached

I was there but saw no stacks of cash.

I was at the TV table through the end. It was me who was one of two twas admonished for having a red light shining on my camera that caught the attention of Ken Shu while Corey was at the table 5-4. Anyway, after purging here on AZ, I feel almost better.

Anyway, after Daz drained the case ball, and did his Tiger fist pump and primal well deserved yell, Barry got ahold of the wireless mic. This was his speach:

"I'd like to thank the acadamy, and all the agents who doubted me..."

Wait, wrong town...

I left for QBlasters before any cash was displayed, if it ever was. The champagne had been poured but not yet distributed.

 

[Fatboy]

If you say your going to do something then do it!!!


I already knew before I made this thread whats going on, SAME OLD SHIT!!!


I was just hopeing I had bad intellegence, but I didnt. And pool goes on,,,


I couldnt show my face i'd be so embarassed if I made a promis and couldnt make it good. I post up $5,000 everyyear at the derby for the Fatboy Challenge, I havent made $$ in 28 months, I dont want to post it up this year but I gave my word to the pool world I would an I am. Just wait and see when I start making $$$ again what i'm gonna do. IDC if I blow a mil/yr on pool when i'm making the right $$$.

 

[alstl]

I want to know what the guy pulled in on door fees. I estimated 6 stadium style seating areas holding 100 a piece. Two session fee of $10 min for the last day alone seemed to have at least 300 in attendance that paid some type of fee. 600 for tickets, $6000 for entrance plus food. On the last day alone I think the director covered 40% of expenses for tournament. That is a low end estimate.

256 players, $500 entrance fee that is $128,000 from players alone that is done by multiplying 256 times 500. The director's capital is $52,000, 180,000 total paymout minus the 128000 from players.

If players just rented an entire room, they wouldn't have arena expenses, ref expenses or director expenses. Players could put together a comparable event with similar payouts. IMO the staff working the event do not appear to be taken care of well.

One popcorn lady said the heat cannot be turned on because the balls must be a certain temp. I have seen balls act funny when humidity is present. But not in a controlled environment. It seemed like some drunk wanted to walk into a room to cool off.

If it was that easy it would have happened already. First of all the players are not organized. Secondly, if they were organized they would still need someone in charge and he would expect to get paid. Third, what's the difference between renting an entire room and arena expenses, and finally how do you hold an event without a referee?

The reason there isn't much money in the sport of pool is because there isn't much profit to be made.

 

[JD_Hogg]

If you say your going to do something then do it!!!


I already knew before I made this thread whats going on, SAME OLD SHIT!!!


I was just hopeing I had bad intellegence, but I didnt. And pool goes on,,,


I couldnt show my face i'd be so embarassed if I made a promis and couldnt make it good. I post up $5,000 everyyear at the derby for the Fatboy Challenge, I havent made $$ in 28 months, I dont want to post it up this year but I gave my word to the pool world I would an I am. Just wait and see when I start making $$$ again what i'm gonna do. IDC if I blow a mil/yr on pool when i'm making the right $$$.

Guess Barry is not the man you are. Didnt you swindle folks of their cash to get yours?

no one's perferct

 

[cuedoctor]

Guess Barry is not the man you are. Didnt you swindle folks of their cash to get yours?

no one's perferct

Here we GO!!!!!! All that matters is if they got paid!

 

[realkingcobra]

Bleachers costs about $300 a piece for 6 days is $1800.
Advertising: $0 Billiard magazines aren't that popular, KT was on the cover of BD, they aren't a high volume publication.
Office Staff: 8 people at $400 daily. 3200 * 6 = 19200
Tables: 15 tables at $3000 a piece, 45000.

If anything there should be a sanction fee if the event is related to a major professional governing association like the BCA or something. I tried to think why he would not renew a Brunswick contract and most times people don't want to pay new costs, I don't know how well Brunswick is doing but they would know how many people attend the events over the decades.

Maybe $90,000 as a low figure.

Those are just expenses, so I assume income comes from ticket, food, drink and booth sales.

Don't mean to burst your bubble, but the tables were not sold to this event, they were supplied by Diamond, and there was 16 of them used in the tournament...not 15...and they sell for $4,900...not $3,000

 

[Fatboy]

Guess Barry is not the man you are. Didnt you swindle folks of their cash to get yours?

no one's perferct

yes i did from 93-96 i scammed about $600,000 which I paid taxes on, I been square since 96.

do i have to go through this all again....geez. I never went to jail, kept all my assetts, paid all my taxes, etc. I know a guy who got 30 years fed time for a biz that looked similar in nature to what i was doing for the last 12 years. We closed the biz b/c there was no profit left, we DIDNOT get closed down.

So I was a con-artist for 3 years and change 17 years ago, I still know how to scam people just like you-you wouldnt know it. the most vigilent people are the easiest targets. But I cant fade the sentences these days it was 24 months fed time back in the day now its 10 years and i'm alot older, also I feel ashmed for what I did, but people like you make me want to go do it again. Like I said its your type that fall prey to the con-man. You go to church much?

I been square since summer of 96 and that aint changing, If it makes you feel better my net worth is down over $80,000,000 now. I havent had a month of positive cash flow in 28 months. I aint going back to scamming no matter how bad it gets. My concence wont let me, but people who keep throwing it in my face need to do so in person. A few people might recogize me at a tournemnt, so come bring you jealouse hollyer than thou ass right up to my face and say something. I wont punch you cause you would claim some sort of injury and sue me for millions, a phony lawsuit, which is no worse than anything I ever did-funny how that works.

 

[loyarc]

I'm with Fatboy & JCIN here

Bottom line is Mr. Behrman air-barreled, in a sense. If you 'promise' - then deliver. It is and was a great event though. Hat's off.

Also, JustNum's numbers are probably off by a very considerable amount. I've helped plan major multi-day events (not pool related) and venues hammer you on cost. Bleachers for $300 a day? Probably quintuple or sextuple that amount - per day. Plus, most everything related to the venue is "plus-plus" by default (gratuity and taxes), that adds up quickly.

It will be interesting to see how Mr. Behrman's capitilization strategy plays out over the next couple of years. The cash stream with the most upside being controlled by one of Mr. Behrman's very loyal vendors (and a true blessing to the industry, clearly.) However, as I read today's AZ story on the unique visitor count, I couldn't help but wonder. Just think how many capitalized on the PPV option (even in the face of it not supporting mobile in any way) and how much that content is worth when monetized effectively. IMO, that is what sustains the Open long term.

But if any event, if you say cash will be seen, show the cash, please.

PTG

 

[Fatboy]

i just got word Barry may have paid everyone off, if so I owe him a appology.


i will post more as I know more-later on this week. I'm gonna be on this like white on rice.

 

[JD_Hogg]

yes i did from 93-96 i scammed about $600,000 which I paid taxes on, I been square since 96.

do i have to go through this all again....geez. I never went to jail, kept all my assetts, paid all my taxes, etc. I know a guy who got 30 years fed time for a biz that looked similar in nature to what i was doing for the last 12 years. We closed the biz b/c there was no profit left, we DIDNOT get closed down.

So I was a con-artist for 3 years and change 17 years ago, I still know how to scam people just like you-you wouldnt know it. the most vigilent people are the easiest targets. But I cant fade the sentences these days it was 24 months fed time back in the day now its 10 years and i'm alot older, also I feel ashmed for what I did, but people like you make me want to go do it again. Like I said its your type that fall prey to the con-man. You go to church much?

I been square since summer of 96 and that aint changing, If it makes you feel better my net worth is down over $80,000,000 now. I havent had a month of positive cash flow in 28 months. I aint going back to scamming no matter how bad it gets. My concence wont let me, but people who keep throwing it in my face need to do so in person. A few people might recogize me at a tournemnt, so come bring you jealouse hollyer than thou ass right up to my face and say something. I wont punch you cause you would claim some sort of injury and sue me for millions, a phony lawsuit, which is no worse than anything I ever did-funny how that works.

It's just funny how quick some of you are to condemn someone without any facts while you pat yourself on the back for being man of the year.

 

[elvicash]

It's just funny how quick some of you are to condemn someone without any facts while you pat yourself on the back for being man of the year.

JD_Hogg are you in a position to throw the first rock, that is usually a position not easily filled. If you have the unblemished history required to throw rocks I would be suprised. As to your statement I think Fatboys orig post was there cash on display, it was a question and it appears that Barry did not dispaly the cash. He did pay off the tourney (Great Job Barry Thanks for the making the Open happen) but he did not show the cash as he claimed he would, this is something that can be improved, if you make a claim that you will do something then do it especially when you have one of the 3 most prominent pool events (Open, Derby, Valley Forge).

Fatboy does support that Fatboy challenge at the DCC. Are you planning on doing something to supprt the sport yourself or are you just trying to run this man off who continue to make a great addition to the Derby.

Eric, thanks for the Fatboy Challenge.

 

[9ball]

He said in his letter that was going to bring $75,000 in cash with the armed guards and girls(like they do at poker tournaments). I just wondered if that happened as he described in his "Open Letter" to the pool world a few months back. I sincerely hope that everything went as promised, in that letter.


The players did their job, by that I mean that he had a full field which is great. What more can a promoter expect? And from a accounting perspective thats better than a short field, the average cost per player goes down-economies of scale. Thus making his promises easier to fulfill as described in that letter.

Having the revenue stream coming in from the PPV online is growing every year as more and more people are getting hip to computers and learn how to log on use their credit cards and get a PPV. 4 years ago the numbers were small, now with the AZB community participating that new stream of income is fantastic for pool and the promoters. It just wasn't there in the past and is now-which is the kind of thing that insures the future of quality pool.



Eric/Fatboy

Fatboy ! with all due respect I don`t believe this is any of yours or anyones business ! Other then the players who show up and play they are the ones who should have any concerns about being paid or not.


I know barry had problems in the past but he still kept it together and runs this event year after year, Players keep comiming to this event so he must be doing something right!


Its not for us to question him or his event , but to be thankful this event takes place. Too many people on here want to be first to stand on their soapbox and preach about an event an how much money is being made by the promoter and if the players got paid.

H.P.

I want to know what the guy pulled in on door fees. I estimated 6 stadium style seating areas holding 100 a piece. Two session fee of $10 min for the last day alone seemed to have at least 300 in attendance that paid some type of fee. 600 for tickets, $6000 for entrance plus food. On the last day alone I think the director covered 40% of expenses for tournament. That is a low end estimate.

All I have left to say to both of you is this , If I ever ran a big event and paid all the players, Then its not anyones damn! business how much I made off the event.


Barry has to make some money to keep the event going!





H.P.

 

[JD_Hogg]

JD_Hogg are you in a position to throw the first rock, that is usually a position not easily filled. If you have the unblemished history required to throw rocks I would be suprised. As to your statement I think Fatboys orig post was there cash on display, it was a question and it appears that Barry did not dispaly the cash. He did pay off the tourney (Great Job Barry Thanks for the making the Open happen) but he did not show the cash as he claimed he would, this is something that can be improved, if you make a claim that you will do something then do it especially when you have one of the 3 most prominent pool events (Open, Derby, Valley Forge).

Fatboy does support that Fatboy challenge at the DCC. Are you planning on doing something to supprt the sport yourself or are you just trying to run this man off who continue to make a great addition to the Derby.

Eric, thanks for the Fatboy Challenge.

i've done plenty of bad things. I dont do Hogg challenges, all I do is play.

I was just reminding him before he drags the guys name through the mud that he aint perfect either you nut hugger.