Given what you did, no, sir, not lazy. Thanks for the effort and the report.
Why CTE is silly
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Given what you did, no, sir, not lazy. Thanks for the effort and the report.
I say bravo for at least going to the table and trying. Shot or "trial 7" looks like a half ball hit to me. I went over that in the video I had up for a year or so. Without a video of you going through the motions there isn't much more I can add. Others have had success and posted such. Here is one that i remember by az member JoeW...
09-07-2009, 03:49 PM
I just experimented with the CTE system for cuts less than 30 degrees and found that I made 10/11 shots from different places and distances on my 9' table with 4.5" pockets. It is very similar to my center to center aiming and they may be related. More likely, my prior experience with center to center has helped me to "see" CTE and then pivot as needed. It seemed to require less concentration -- Hmmm
While the approach was amazingly successful there is an element that I did not like. It seems that my brain very quickly accomdated to it and preferred to shoot in this way. After 11 shots a part of me did not want to switch back to my usual way. Obviously this will require much more study especially for the application of english, etc.
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I would suggest trying again if you are up to it.
I thought this was a great post and I was waiting to see if anyone would reply. The only person I see that did was RandyG.
Rep to you Dave +1
First, it's better to as much as possible keep the discussion fixed to the merits of the IDEAS
But if you really think that was a good post, you might want to look up a logical fallacy called FALSE DICHOTOMY
Iusedtoberich:
Doesn't surprise me you'd report back like that. Missing that ball completely shows you're obviously not doing the right things. Not your fault though, at all--- the info posted is incomplete or flat-wrong. If you're serious about learning, get a lesson for get Stan's DVD. If you did, you'd never miss that shot (or ball for that matter).
Dave
Doesn't surprise me you'd report back like that. Missing that ball completely shows you're obviously not doing the right things. Not your fault though, at all--- the info posted is incomplete or flat-wrong. If you're serious about learning, get a lesson for get Stan's DVD. If you did, you'd never miss that shot (or ball for that matter).
Dave
You're in the BCA instructor program. A few BCA Master Instructors say CTE works. Please explain in detail why they're crazy. Maybe you should call Randy and Tom and get a lesson.
Dave
I actually thought it was a great post. Dave made a very valid point and asked a very valid question.
Spidey,
Here are some quotes from my CTE resource page:
Here is another version posted by Spidey on his blog (note: CTEL: Center-to-Edge Line)
BASIC CTE PIVOTS (as taught by Hal Houle):
For thick cuts: Your cue is parallel to the CTEL with your tip pointing at the outside edge of the CB (the edge of the CB that’s farthest from the pocket). You then pivot your tip towards the pocket until it reaches CB center.
For thin cuts: Your cue is parallel to the CTEL with your tip pointing at the inside edge of the CB (the side of the CB that’s closest to the pocket). You then pivot your tip away from the pocket until it reaches CB center.
If you’re not sure which side to pivot from, only one will work. One will look right – the other will not.
For straight-ins: It doesn’t matter which side of the CB you address, just make sure you perform a thick-cut pivot.
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Here is a demonstration of how some forms of pivoting are used in conjunction with CTE and other pivot-based aiming methods: CTE pivot demonstration. For more info concerning pivoting, the "air pivot," and the "shot arc," see Spidey's blog.
BASIC CTE PIVOTS (as taught by Hal Houle):
For thick cuts: Your cue is parallel to the CTEL with your tip pointing at the outside edge of the CB (the edge of the CB that’s farthest from the pocket). You then pivot your tip towards the pocket until it reaches CB center.
For thin cuts: Your cue is parallel to the CTEL with your tip pointing at the inside edge of the CB (the side of the CB that’s closest to the pocket). You then pivot your tip away from the pocket until it reaches CB center.
If you’re not sure which side to pivot from, only one will work. One will look right – the other will not.
For straight-ins: It doesn’t matter which side of the CB you address, just make sure you perform a thick-cut pivot.
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Here is a demonstration of how some forms of pivoting are used in conjunction with CTE and other pivot-based aiming methods: CTE pivot demonstration. For more info concerning pivoting, the "air pivot," and the "shot arc," see Spidey's blog.
Spidey, my resource page presents two common versions of CTE, but the version you describe on your blog is the one that emphasized and analyzed. Are you saying the information on your blog is inaccurate? Now, you might not agree with all of my illustrations and explanations for some of the missing pieces of the puzzle, but we first need to agree on what basic information is correct. Please let me know if you think there is anything incorrect about the information I have quoted from your site. Everything else on the resource page"]resource page[/URL] is based on this information.
Also, what do you think are appropriate definitions of "thin cut" and "thick cut?"
Regards,
Dave
Understand, for some reason his punani has been hurting for some time when it comes to my posts. He's one of those guys who loves to shake your hand and laugh when they see ya, but then insults you to death on the internet because he doesn't agree with you (or the master instructors above him).
I mentioned a few times info on my blog was inaccurate... namely the cue wasn't parallel to the CTEL (said that in JB's old CTE thread). That's why I hadn't updated my site in a long time - I was waiting for Stan to release his video and I've been busy working on my document.
In regards to definitions, you can't define thick/thin as far as degrees--- they must be defined by where your eyes reside (which side of the CTEL). I would say thick = eyes outside of ctel, thin = inside of ctel.
Dave
Edit-- let me clarify. The cue can't be parallel with a 1/2 ball offset.
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What does "eyes reside" mean?
If you are sighting along the CTE line, how could both eyes be on one side of the CTE line and still maintain the CTE sight line?
How about players who use a head rotation (e.g. Ralf Souquet) and essentially only have one eye in use, that would presumably be focused along the CTE line?
You never sight along the CTEL, unless it's a true exact 1/2 ball hit.
Holy Schmolie, is that actually a "learn CTE from Stan's DVD and NEVER miss a ball" claim I'm reading here
??? This shit's gettin' funnier by the minute :grin::grin::grin:!!!Maniac
I'll up you one with Babe Cranfield. Top that.
The inventor of the Arrow, a training device to help you practice where to put the CB to make the OB center pocket.
Kinda like Ghost Ball. I mean he's only a Hall of Famer.
Stop throwing names around, its meaningless. If the system can not stand on its on merit, then that sytem is meaningless useless.
There are so many shots that CTE will not work with and thats what makes it inferior to anything. And I mean on the first try, no reset, adjust and repeat.
Thin and thick is BS. It is a 3d world, the balls are round and there the area of contact between the CB and OB is only dependent on the sizes of the balls.
What you see is not always what you think.
Carry on...
Holy Schmolie, is that actually a "learn CTE from Stan's DVD and NEVER miss a ball" claim I'm reading here
Maniac
Maniac -
You obviously didn't see his setup. He had a 2' long all-but straight in shot. After pivoting, he missed the ob completely. Never said he wouldnt miss any shot.... but if he had the correct info, he'd certainly HIT the damn thing.
So do I, of course - but Spidey doesn't know what you mean. Talking past each other is how "conversation" goes in these threads.
Speaking of which, I had a nice visit with John Barton last night. He had a few hours in Chicago on his way back to China from Florida, so we went to Chris's and talked past each other for two or three hours about CTE while occasionally pretending to play some pool.
John explained in as much detail as he could (over and over) how he goes about making balls with his version of CTE and I explained in as much detail as I could (over and over) how his explanation didn't include any specific instructions about how to shift and pivot. We reached two definite conclusions:
1. we enjoy each other's company
2. we should have played more pool
Nice to see ya, John. Let's not wait 7 more years for the next time.
pj
chgo
Holy Schmolie, is that actually a "learn CTE from Stan's DVD and NEVER miss a ball" claim I'm reading here
Maniac
Dave NEVER indicated anywhere in his quote that one would never miss a ball as a result of a DVD lesson. Dave referenced "that shot or ball".
Dave referenced a particular shot that can be made with extremely high frequency over and over. He was speaking in figurative manner.
Stan
So is it safe to say that "Patcheye" Henry could never learn CTE?
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