Why CTE is silly

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I have no complaint. I just wanted to confront you about the insinuations that you made about me and I wanted to do it directly. Obviously you're not up for it - so troll away.

Yeah, it's here.

There are no "insinuations" there about you AT ALL. I used it to point out that someone claimed CTE was EASY.

References to "BS," etc., were in regard to those promoting and selling CTE--not to students like yourself.

The post has NOTHING to do with you personally, so there's nothing for you to be upset about.
 
Dear Mr. Thinking and Analysis,

I'm still waiting for your phone call.

:rolleyes:


This is the place to speak your mind and exchange ideas: the main forum, senate, meeting place, grassy knoll, arena, octagon, whatever you want to call it. He is under no obligation whatsoever to call you no matter what your self proscribed rules may be. If you must, there's always PMs.

Lou Figueroa
 
OTOH, my thinking and analysis has been tested by/against some of the ABSOLUTE TOP MINDS IN THE WORLD! Nobel prize winners, and members of the National Academy of Sciences. Who is some...pffft....BILLIARD INSTRUCTOR to tell me I don't know how to consider and analyze a pathetically simple set of concepts?

Yeah, that's nice. No one knows who you are. Since we're cocking off with crap that's unsubstantiated, you should just say you ARE a Nobel laureate! It doesn't matter, no one can check ya. Pump it up. I mean, REALLY send'er in. Tell us you're dating Salma Hayek or something and she makes you pie.
 
Yeah, that's nice. No one knows who you are. Since we're cocking off with crap that's unsubstantiated, you should just say you ARE a Nobel laureate! It doesn't matter, no one can check ya. Pump it up. I mean, REALLY send'er in. Tell us you're dating Salma Hayek or something and she makes you pie.

Wow! Is that really the BEST YOU CAN DO lurking this thread?

Why not jump in and, oh I don't know, actually talk about the TOPIC?? I've made several direct references to you and your "blind pockets" video. Why not try responding to them?

You should be in here calmly and logically defending your baby, CTE. There are lots of faithful followers around, but they need support from one of the top guys--and none is being given.
 
Wow! Is that really the BEST YOU CAN DO lurking this thread?

Why not jump in and, oh I don't know, actually talk about the TOPIC?? I've made several direct references to you and your "blind pockets" video. Why not try responding to them?

You should be in here calmly and logically defending your baby, CTE. There are lots of faithful followers around, but they need support from one of the top guys--and none is being given.

If you weren't in the thread being a curt POS, I'd be in the thread. I don't like ya, think you're joke and don't respect ya... so I choose to sit out and not care. You're disrespectful.

Crap was waaaay sweeter when it was just PJ, Dr. Dave & I debating. Yeah, sometimes it got heated but it always cooled and we continued the discussion. You, however, are an abrasive thorn in everyone's azz in every single post. Every post has a hateful, smug, curt, and insulting tone to it.

So, what else are you gonna claim that can't be substantiated and checked on? You prob live in your 90 year old mother's basement. Tell her HI when you make her bagel and coffee in the morning. That's believable. You playing poker and smoking cigs with Nobel laureates - not so much.
 
If you weren't in the thread being a curt POS, I'd be in the thread. I don't like ya, think you're joke and don't respect ya... so I choose to sit out and not care. You're disrespectful.

Well then just post to others and ignore me. We need somebody willing to take a high-road defense for CTE--and nobody's standing up. Kinda makes it look like CTE doesn't HAVE a good defense.
 
Well then just post to others and ignore me. We need somebody willing to take a high-road defense for CTE--and nobody's standing up. Kinda makes it look like CTE doesn't HAVE a good defense.

You're un-ignorable... if there is such a word. You're about as ignorable as a colonoscopy.
 
You're un-ignorable... if there is such a word. You're about as ignorable as a colonoscopy.

I take that as a compliment. I think people have to stand up for what they assert, and I like to prod them until they do--I don't give somebody a rest until they've done their best to support their position.

...and, frankly, that hasn't AT ALL been accomplished well from your side.

The truth is, YOU KNOW that if you had FULLY and IRREFUTABLY answered all my challenges, you wouldn't have an aversion or fear of being in the thread with me--you wouldn't see me as a THORN! You see me as a thorn because you know there's truth in my challenges (and one reason that's true is that my positions are the same one's you've been challenged on before--before I was even around).
 
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HOW do we know that "folks *are* having success with it" ? An example is John Barton. Patrick Johnson has made the observation (which he admits isn't thorough) that John doesn't really seem to PLAY much better (in fact Patrick says "worse") since learning CTE--yet if you listen to JOHN he will tell you that CTE has made a WORLD of improvement in his game.

Could it be possible that John has mis-estimated the effect of CTE on his game? In medicine, for example, patient reports of their responses to treatment are NOTORIOUSLY unreliable as sources of information about objective responses to treatments.

It's definitely possible that I have not judged my personal improvement properly. Before learning Hal's system I wasn't keeping records of my stats and afterwards I didn't track them either.

But you are missing the fundamental point. The system's validity and practical usefulness and ability to provide measurable improvement for pool players has been corroborated by leading instructors.

You always SKIP the valid questions.

Once again why would ANY top instructor who does this for a living bank their career on teaching something that is "silly" and so dependent on so-called subconcious adjustment?

I mean they can IMPROVE anyone's game with tried and true techniques all day. Fixing people's stroke is probably the NUMBER ONE thing that helps any player immediately to be a better player.

These top instructors have plenty of business so they don't NEED to sell any snake oil to make a living. They aren't traveling the country in a gypsy wagon selling Dr. Feelgood.

The CTE-based aiming SYSTEMS that they are teaching are just a part of their curriculum AND they are taught because these top instructors see value and merit in them. And because the top instructors have figured out HOW to convey the systems to the students in ways that the transfer of knowledge takes hold.

If it were only me standing on the soapbox then yeah, I'd call me a crackpot too.

But it's not only me. I was not the first to benefit, however small, from Hal's systems and I won't be the last.

As for your comment about hobnobbing with Nobel Laureates and now slumming it with lowly pool instructors, well all I can say is that it's a damn shame you aren't putting that brain to better use. Why not simply let pool player delude themselves?

The upside is that players will spend more money on the game. They will spend more table time trying it out, more time playing, more on instruction, and hopefully more time passing it on. If it doesn't work for a certain percentage of players then SO WHAT? The world doesn't end.

There is no downside here.

A few million posts ago you said that you are afraid that reliance on CTE will lead to a player missing shots at critical times. Yet you don't allow for it when players say that the MAKE critical shots because of CTE.

So IF you're right and that CTE users are SUBCONSCIOUSLY adjusting then missing or making has NOTHING to do with CTE. So if that's the case and you wholeheartedly believe that WHY ARE YOU HERE?

I can't believe that a true Berkley trained molecular biologist who's logic has been "tested" by Nobel laureates doesn't have better things to do which better the world than to go on a crusade tilting at the CTE windmill.

We don't care where you come from, you're in Brooklyn now.

All we care about down here is putting the balls in the subway. Got any good advice on how to do that?

"Splitting hairs", thanks but we already tried that. We prefer a more poetic solution.
 
The system's validity and practical usefulness and ability to provide measurable improvement for pool players has been corroborated by leading instructors.

If you don't mind, I'll translate that statement for you: The system's SALEABILITY has been judged to be worthwhile by leading instructors.
 
I take that as a compliment. I think people have to stand up for what they assert, and I like to prod them until they do--I don't give somebody a rest until they've done their best to support their position.

...and, frankly, that hasn't AT ALL been accomplished well from your side.

The truth is, YOU KNOW that if you had FULLY and IRREFUTABLY answered all my challenges, you wouldn't have an aversion or fear of being in the thread with me--you wouldn't see me as a THORN! You see me as a thorn because you know there's truth in my challenges (and one reason that's true is that my positions are the same one's you've been challenged on before--before I was even around).

Fear of being in a thread? You're the one who is fearful and hiding behind the shadows of a screenname. Man, you're afraid someone might actually say something to you or confront you. Pah-leeze.
 
Fear of being in a thread? You're the one who is fearful and hiding behind the shadows of a screenname. Man, you're afraid someone might actually say something to you or confront you. Pah-leeze.

Well...you're "reluctant" then. It's a kind of "fear." You wish to avoid it....but then again: here you are.

And you're being silly about the "screen name" stuff. Why should I complicate my private life? And why should that matter for the debate? People have been VERY ANGRY (big babies, IMO). How do I know what people might do with their anger? WHY should I put myself in the position of having to worry about it? There's just no sensible point in it.
 
Well...you're "reluctant" then. It's a kind of "fear." You wish to avoid it....but then again: here you are.

And you're being silly about the "screen name" stuff. Why should I complicate my private life? And why should that matter for the debate? People have been VERY ANGRY (big babies, IMO). How do I know what people might do with their anger? WHY should I put myself in the position of having to worry about it? There's just no sensible point in it.

I always felt if I was gonna call someone a scam artist or infomercial king, I'd say it to their face and not hide behind a screen name. If people are angry, maybe it's your approach. If you can't say something with people knowing who you are --- you shouldn't say it. Hiding is petty and scared. Spineless. Should call you GetMeASpine
 
Well then just post to others and ignore me. We need somebody willing to take a high-road defense for CTE--and nobody's standing up. Kinda makes it look like CTE doesn't HAVE a good defense.

I am sorry what were the questions you want answered again?

Why do you need these questions answered?

Do you intend to learn CTE and want to make sure it's valid before spending any time trying to learn it?

Are you saving the pool world from being turned into brainwashed self-deluding, subconsciously adjusting ball pocketing machines due to using a system you don't agree with?

Either way I don't see your efforts as productive on either front.

Maybe it's entertaining for you. But you are neither learning nor saving.

CTE works, just get over it. If you want to know exactly HOW it works then go learn it from someone who teaches it and then dissect it.

No one is stopping you. No one will ask for your degree at the door. Then at least you can say that you got the latest information from the best source available. Don't they teach you at Berkley to gather your data first and validate it?

At the moment you are working with an incomplete data set with which you are attempting to extrapolate a conclusion that you see as incontrovertible. Come on, 9th grade science students know better than that.

If you really want to save the world from becoming CTE zombies then go learn what it is first and THEN cut it up.

Until then you're just another internet wannabe who has zero credibility. Not much of a scientist if you want other people to do your work for you.

Why CTE is Silly? Because it's imprecise is your platform. Yet you cannot define CTE, nor use it. So, in reality you have no clue as to it's precision or lack therof. You are guessing.

Instead of hypothesizing from your chair go learn it and then break it down.
 
I always felt if I was gonna call someone a scam artist or infomercial king, I'd say it to their face and not hide behind a screen name. If people are angry, maybe it's your approach. If you can't say something with people knowing who you are --- you shouldn't say it. Hiding is petty and scared. Spineless. Should call you GetMeASpine

Very little about this has been calling people "scam artists." VERY little. And none, as I recall, directed against you. You're a "true believer," not a salesman (at least not yet).

The thing you're not realizing is that maybe (I think) people need to GET ANGRY in order to get this straight, and be pushed to get up or shut up. It's better for the DISCUSSION if the gloves come off--and then it's better if it has no real-world consequences.

The fact that people DO get bent out of shape just talking about an IDEA shows that they have problems controlling their emotions and impulses. It shows they don't have a PROPER PERSPECTIVE. We're not talking about people's MOTHERS here (well, I'm not--it didn't stop you). We're just talking about ideas. Talking about ideas has formed a LARGE PART of my everyday life--and VERY few even slightly heated discussions arose from them.

The truth is, when people turn into such big babies about their idea, it's because deep down they know they're on shaky ground. Deep down you know that the guys against you are some of the smartest guys here. You can't say that hasn't given you some pause to wonder if maybe we're right. I know you're smart enough to have at least considered that.
 
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Authority is good, and useful. But it can't be taken for granted, and it can't be used as an excuse for ceasing your own thinking.

OTOH, my thinking and analysis has been tested by/against some of the ABSOLUTE TOP MINDS IN THE WORLD! Nobel prize winners, and members of the National Academy of Sciences. Who is some...pffft....BILLIARD INSTRUCTOR to tell me I don't know how to consider and analyze a pathetically simple set of concepts?

What year did you get your online degree?
Are you an MIT or ITT graduate?
1 more question, since I have never seen anyone shoot with
a pencil, Do you chalk after every word?
:rotflmao1::killingme::slap:
 
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What year did you get your online degree?
Are you an MIT or ITT graduate?
1 more question, since I have never seen anyone shoot with
a pencil, Do you chalk after every word?
:rotflmao1::killingme::slap:

Dear Petey,

Due to time constraints I've decided to heavily curtail my interaction with the "under 80 crowd" (do you know what that refers to?).

Sorry.
 
I found GMT

What year did you get your online degree?
Are you an MIT or ITT graduate?
1 more question, since I have never seen anyone shoot with
a pencil, Do you chalk after every word?
:rotflmao1::killingme::slap:
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JB,

Listen. Just make a record. OK? And then I'll promise to listen to it over and over, every day.

It's hard to bear to keep watching you waste so many electrons....
 
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