CTE/ PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett

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I think the naysayers should go start their own thread about WHY CTE DOESN'T WORK. :D
What about the people who know CTE does work (for some people), and think they know why it works, and want to discuss this with the strong CTE proponents to better understand how and why CTE might work for them, especially if the reasons are different from what has already been suggested?

I personally prefer it when all people interested in both using and understanding CTE can all be in the same thread discussing different perspectives. IMO, this leads to a greater potential for creating better information. The "debate" does get inappropriate, childish, and hostile at times; but as history has shown, this is apparently unavoidable with any meaningful discussion concerning CTE.

Regards,
Dave
 
You do not have a point
Have you switshed from NONSENSE to YOUR WRONG ?
Give it a break. This junk is old. Because it does not work for you
you feel the need to convince the CTErs that they are fooling
themselves. Useless argument. Do you have a way to pick a 20 yr veteran of the game up by a couple balls. I doubt it . If so tell me lol

How stange that this question came up.

Babe Cranfield came to me in a dream last night. He told me that the other pool greats decided it was time to share their secert for greatness. He went on to say that since I used the purest form of aiming, the greats deemed that I would be the one to pass this secert on.

Here it is:


Don't miss.


FWIW
 
I think someone did and it got locked up.

The follow up got moved.

So here we is.

Lou Figueroa
I know, I know
stalker, stalker, stalker

Lou, you said it perfect. You just LOVE the drama.
EVERYONE TAKE NOTICE OF LOUS POST
His responses are based on what he enjoys, And that being drama
Lou , If you are Married, Get your wife to read this post.
Lou is a Drama Queen .
It all makes sense now
Petey
 
Ok, so you are here because you are interested in learning the how/why of Cte. I was under the impression you are here just to bash the system and the people using it, my mistake then and i apologize to you sir :)

Im here to learn more about it and its kind of hard when there are certain people spamming the shit out the thread with there uninformed opinions and not realizing this could have been one of the best AZ threads ever :)


We're cool.

This whole thing has been nuts. Some guys here, myself included, are curious about the how and why something like CTE is supposed to work. I truly don't think anyone cares whether it works for some folks. If does, Mazel Tov!

The recurring problem has always been that certain folks cannot abide the opinion that the system is not precise and grounded in science. They want to insist that it is -- without providing any substantiating evidence -- to those that actually know science (and those of us who would like to). They take any attack on the underpinnings of the system as an attack on themselves for believing in it. I say, if it works for you: go forward and knock yourself out. But don't yap at those of us tinkering around with it, taking it apart, and saying, "Ah, ya -- it doesn't work the way you think it does."

Lou Figueroa
 
Lou, you said it perfect. You just LOVE the drama.
EVERYONE TAKE NOTICE OF LOUS POST
His responses are based on what he enjoys, And that being drama
Lou , If you are Married, Get your wife to read this post.
Lou is a Drama Queen .
It all makes sense now
Petey


You know, if you're going to post something this stupid you really should use some larger colored fonts too.

Lou Figueroa
try underlining
italic
and some bold face
too
 
You know, if you're going to post something this stupid you really should use some larger colored fonts too.

Lou Figueroa
try underlining
italic
and some bold face
too

That was weak for you
I cant half a$$ spell anymore and my spell check isnt working
So , big deal
 
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I pivot from 1 side only. Left to right I am right handed
I had help thouigh . Before the help, I pivoted from both
I am looking forward to getting my DVD and getting Stans input
Fellow players are taking notice to the change in my game.
I never thought it possible for a 41 yr old , 20 plus year player could gain that
last ball I needed to upset great players


Petey, I think it is very cool that you're now upsetting great players. I look forward to hearing more about this. Let me say, however, I really don't think you're anyone to be calling someone else a drama queen. JMHO
 
Petey, I think it is very cool that you're now upsetting great players. I look forward to hearing more about this. Let me say, however, I really don't think you're anyone to be calling someone else a drama queen. JMHO

I am not a drama queen, I do read and resond to post.
This thread was suppose to be a reveiw thread.
Read the whole thread. Stan as you know went out
on a limb looking for an honest reveiw. He also has a DVD project coming out. Stan has been nothing but good for our sport. I think the thread was sabotoged. That is my only issue about it
Petey
 
NEGATIVITY.....NAYSAYERS........ the beat goes on.

What about the people who know CTE does work (for some people), and think they know why it works, and want to discuss this with the strong CTE proponents to better understand how and why CTE might work for them, especially if the reasons are different from what has already been suggested?

I personally prefer it when all people interested in both using and understanding CTE can all be in the same thread discussing different perspectives. IMO, this leads to a greater potential for creating better information. The "debate" does get inappropriate, childish, and hostile at times; but as history has shown, this is apparently unavoidable with any meaningful discussion concerning CTE.

Regards,
Dave

Dave,
This thread is about my experience with CTE/PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett.

This was supposed to be a simple expression of what I experienced.

While there were many people who appreciated me sharing my experience, others (THE SAME OLD NAYSAYERS) couldn't help themselves but to jump on a positive thread about a positive experience and try to beat it into the ground.

It's the same old routine. NAYSAYERS Knock CTE. NAYSAYERS Knock CTE users.

The Tag Team of NAYSAYER CTE KNOCKERS can't help themselves. If they see anything about CTE they have to say something negative.


Even with gmt banned, the naysayers are holding their own fighting the negative fight, slinging mud whenever and at whomever they can.

There's not going to be any sharing of specific information about CTE/Pro One except by Stan Shuffett and his upcoming video, at least as far as I am concerned.

I want to see the man TRY to recoup his large expenditures for this project before everyone starts discussing what he has in his video.

On caveat for the naysayers: The video will give you ample room to save face. The video isn't designed to make you look bad. The video isn't about what side of the fence you are on with CTE/Pro One. Stan's video will simply describe the aiming system in detail. There will be some who will "get it" and others who "won't" get it.

While the naysayers have described CTE as silly, bullshit, poppycock, delusional and all other kinds of negative names, Stan's video will give them an opportunity to eat a lot of crow but if I know my naysayers, they will tenaciously hold onto any little naysaying perspective that they can, in hopes that they will be able to hold their head high and say, "I told you so".

Me, I don't give a flipping bird what anyone has to say about CTE/Pro One unless they are violating forum rules or trying to begrudge my friend Stan Shuffett from recouping his expenses from a costly video production. I'm just sharing my experience with CTE/Pro One and Stan Shuffett.

It really doesn't matter to me how it works or why it works, except that it works. Like most aiming systems, it will work better for some and not so good for others. For me, so far, it is overall, A POSTIVE EXPERIENCE.

At the moment I'm not trying to teach the world how CTE/Pro One works and I will continue to say that it is WORTHWHILE LEARNING but you know me, I even enjoyed learning how to use the peace sign to play better pool. :D

This is just another positive thread about a pool experience that NAYSAYERS are trying to poop on just to make their point, whatever that is.

The naysayers most often are well educated people but they make themselves look awful stupid when they are trying to debunk and discuss something that they don't have the correct information on it in the first place. THIS IS A FACT and it is beyond my understanding how any intelligent person can come on this forum, not knowing CTE/Pro One and ATTEMPT to make arguments about how it doesn't work, how it is silly, how the users are delusional, how the math doesn't work and a hundred other negative things about it.

There will be a few bones for the naysayers to gnaw on after the video comes out and until then, how can they make such ridiculous statements about something they have never seen.

I do like the way CTE has evolved over the last dozen years. At one time the naysayers said "It doesn't work." Now at least a few of them say, "well it does work, but not like some of the users think it does". :D :D :D

Only time will tell if the masses embrace CTE/Pro One. If they do, Hal Houle may just make it into the Hall of Fame. If Hal Houle makes it into the HOF, Stan Shuffett will be right behind him as Stan has refined and defined CTE in this video.

For now, the naysayers should just pack up their slide rules, ther calculators and their theories and just go home, at least as far as CTE/Pro One is concerned.
 
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Dave,
This thread is about my experience with CTE/PRO ONE with Stan Shuffett.

This was supposed to be a simple expression of what I experienced.

While there were many people who appreciated me sharing my experience, others (THE SAME OLD NAYSAYERS) couldn't help themselves but to jump on a positive thread about a positive experience and try to beat it into the ground.

It's the same old routine. NAYSAYERS Knock CTE. NAYSAYERS Knock CTE users.

The Tag Team of NAYSAYER CTE KNOCKERS can't help themselves. If they see anything about CTE they have to say something negative.


Even with gmt banned, the naysayers are holding their own fighting the negative fight, slinging mud whenever and at whomever they can.

There's not going to be any sharing of specific information about CTE/Pro One except by Stan Shuffett and his upcoming video, at least as far as I am concerned.

I want to see the man TRY to recoup his large expenditures for this project before everyone starts discussing what he has in his video.

On caveat for the naysayers: The video will give you ample room to save face. The video isn't designed to make you look bad. The video isn't about what side of the fence you are on with CTE/Pro One. Stan's video will simply describe the aiming system in detail. There will be some who will "get it" and others who "won't" get it.

While the naysayers have described CTE as silly, bullshit, poppycock, delusional and all other kinds of negative names, Stan's video will give them an opportunity to eat a lot of crow but if I know my naysayers, they will tenaciously hold onto any little naysaying perspective that they can, in hopes that they will be able to hold their head high and say, "I told you so".

Me, I don't give a flipping bird what anyone has to say about CTE/Pro One unless they are violating forum rules or trying to begrudge my friend Stan Shuffett from recouping his expenses from a costly video production. I'm just sharing my experience with CTE/Pro One and Stan Shuffett.

It really doesn't matter to me how it works or why it works, except that it works. Like most aiming systems, it will work better for some and not so good for others. For me, so far, it is overall, A POSTIVE EXPERIENCE.

At the moment I'm not trying to teach the world how CTE/Pro One works and I will continue to say that it is WORTHWHILE LEARNING but you know me, I even enjoyed learning how to use the peace sign to play better pool. :D

This is just another positive thread about a pool experience that NAYSAYERS are trying to poop on just to make their point, whatever that is.

The naysayers most often are well educated people but they make themselves look awful stupid when they are trying to debunk and discuss something that they don't have the correct information on it in the first place. THIS IS A FACT and it is beyond my understanding how any intelligent person can come on this forum, not knowing CTE/Pro One and ATTEMPT to make arguments about how it doesn't work, how it is silly, how the users are delusional, how the math doesn't work and a hundred other negative things about it.

There will a few bones for the naysayers to gnaw on after the video comes out and until then, how can they make such ridiculous statements about something they have never seen.

I do like the way CTE has evolved over the last dozen years. At one time the naysayers said "It doesn't work." Now at least a few of them say, "well it does work, but not like some of the users think it does". :D :D :D

Only time will tell if the masses embrace CTE/Pro One. If they do, Hal Houle may just make it into the Hall of Fame. If Hal Houle makes it into the HOF, Stan Shuffett will be right behind him as Stan has refined and defined CTE in this video.

For now, the naysayers should just pack up their slide rules, ther calculators and their theories and just go home, at least as far as CTE/Pro One is concerned.

I couldn't have said that any better! Wish I could rep you again Joey but I have to spread some around.
 
You maybe describing the arrogant or the pompous :thumbup: They will refute the obvious and defend the ridiculous! some are actually good at it too lol :thumbup:
 
Lou:

Good point. While you're at it... <gives Lou a handful of double-aught buckshot> ...can you shoo-away those heckling crows on the wire above?

-Sean

Nice addition Sean, by the way is Lou a crow or is he helping you learn CTE?
 
Nice addition Sean, by the way is Lou a crow or is he helping you learn CTE?

*plonk*

Actually, Dave, yes, he is. By cutting through the bull, he's one of a few trying to steer towards the truth, rather than supporting the worthless back-patting and idolatry.

And, if you must know, I did purchase Stan's DVD, and I'm very much looking forward to it. If it's anywhere near the quality of Stan's previous works, it's well worth the price in my book.

Oh, and *plonk* again. Shoo!

-Sean
 
I don't think it's a conscious trick. They're being as candid as they know how to be. They don't know how CTE works; they just know that it works.

And they also don't know (or care) that there's a difference. For them "it works" covers all the bases and there's literally nothing more to talk about. Asking them how they "do" CTE is like asking a fish how it swims. "Are you trying to say I don't know how to swim? I can outswim you!"

Stan's DVD won't put an end to any of this because it won't bridge this communication gap - that's not (and shouldn't be) it's purpose. It's a foregone conclusion that the DVD won't spell out how CTE works in analytical terms, because that's not the CTE "product" that Stan's customers want. What they want is how to do it, and they, like the fish, don't know or care that there may be other aspects of it that interest other people. They just want to swim. And more power to 'em.

Those of us with an academic interest in how CTE helps people aim may never be able to have a real conversation about that aspect of it with an actual CTE user because they simply don't speak that language - and maybe they shouldn't want to. If they did they might not be CTE users, and as far as they're concerned they probably have the good end of that bargain.

pj
chgo

Do you think after seeing the video you will then be able to figure out the math? I mean if it spells out how to do it, then you should have no problem doing the math, right?
 
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