aiming systems r like a weight loss plan

lfigueroa said:
Interestingly, while at the DDC I had several discussions about this system with some world champion type players. I mean: certified gilt-edged champions. In fact one of them was aware of my previous participation in some of these threads and, unsolicited, offered his strong, rather unequivocally opinion. Like I said, it was interesting :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Lou,

I am very interested to hear what this person had to say..

Peace!
 
I know that there may be some endorsement of the system by one pro player, but the guys I'm talking about would be happy to play that guy, at any game, for all the money he could beg, borrow or steal :-)

Lou Figueroa
glad I'm on JB's
ignore list :-)
 
OK thanks for the input. I was hoping there was more than one way to visualize the line. I KNOW I was on the right line that I thought I needed. I was also trained by Bert and my alignment is for the most part dead on. I can spear most any long straight shot at nearly break speed. I was referring to a cut shot that I SAW wrong. I hit the OB exactly where I thought I needed to make the ball. Perhaps it was extra throw on the ball or a skid I didn't hear or who knows what. When I miss, it's usually due to lack of focus causing me to not hit the target on the OB. The time I missed while still hitting my target on the OB just freaked me out a bit.
 
lfigueroa said:
I know that there may be some endorsement of the system by one pro player, but the guys I'm talking about would be happy to play that guy, at any game, for all the money he could beg, borrow or steal :-)

Lou Figueroa
glad I'm on JB's
ignore list :-)
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Thanks Lou,

We appreciate you sharing the information. It's just too bad that first hand conversations with expert players, from a professional like you, will have no effect in the silly debate of this system.
 
Luvthegame said:
Thanks Lou,

We appreciate you sharing the information. It's just too bad that first hand conversations with expert players, from a professional like you, will have no effect in the silly debate of this system.
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Well, why should it since first hand conversations with expert players who SUPPORTED these systems have been dismissed by Lou and others for years.
 
lfigueroa said:
I got my copy last Saturday and have it sitting on my desk. I haven't had time to watch it yet, but when I do I'll post my review, FWIW.

Interestingly, while at the DDC I had several discussions about this system with some world champion type players. I mean: certified gilt-edged champions. In fact one of them was aware of my previous participation in some of these threads and, unsolicited, offered his strong, rather unequivocally opinion. Like I said, it was interesting :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Copy of what, the south beach diet?
 
Luvthegame said:
Thanks Lou,

We appreciate you sharing the information. It's just too bad that first hand conversations with expert players, from a professional like you, will have no effect in the silly debate of this system.
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Busty runs 8 racks of ten ball and stated he aims left to right, but that wouldn't have anything to do with cte, or would it.
 
I'm not talking about "expert players." (And really, there's only one who has "supported" it.)

I'm talking about stone-cold world beaters :-)

Lou Figueroa
 
lfigueroa said:
I'm not talking about "expert players." (And really, there's only one who has "supported" it.)

I'm talking about stone-cold world beaters :-)

Lou Figueroa
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Well then you're right. Yay, you win the washing machine.

Of course you conveniently forgot that a "stone cold world beater" already said he uses CTE.

I will let you look it up. hint: It's not Stevie Moore.

I find it stone cold hilarious though that "your side" dismisses EVERY mention of pro support for aiming systems but when supposedly there is some pros who come out against them you're like a fat kid in a chocolate factory ready to tell the world about it.

The spin never stops does it?
 
JB Cases said:
Well then you're right. Yay, you win the washing machine.

Of course you conveniently forgot that a "stone cold world beater" already said he uses CTE.

I will let you look it up. hint: It's not Stevie Moore.

I find it stone cold hilarious though that "your side" dismisses EVERY mention of pro support for aiming systems but when supposedly there is some pros who come out against them you're like a fat kid in a chocolate factory ready to tell the world about it.

The spin never stops does it?
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I find it funny how I go on and off your ignore list whenever it is convenient for you. I won't play that game and so now I am going to put *you* on ignore. I hope you have fun in my bit bin along with the four other CTE Monkeys (apologies to JAM) who add nothing to the conversation and just jump up in down in their cages and throw their shee-at at the nice people at the zoo.

Ta Ta, John.

Lou Figueroa
damn that felt good :-)
 
I think there's a huge link in this chain that nobody's bothered addressing..

The fact that you must be able to:

Learn/Understand
Apply/Execute

Aiming systems, draw, patterns, jumping.. doesn't mean @#%^ if you don't understand what you're being taught.

After learning, it again doesn't mean #$%^ if you can't apply that knowledge.

This also goes for learning on one's own.. a player with a crappy stroke or crappy shot-making ability won't be getting any better one way or another until they recognize what it is they're in need of fixing. I know this myself because that is the way I've learned quite a bit of what I know, by seeing when I am doing things incorrectly and being able to apply that knowledge.

So, yes, aiming systems are a bit like weight loss plans in that you can use one, but if you truely unable to learn what it is and how to apply it appropriately in the future then it will be useless.
 
lfigueroa said:
I find it funny how I go on and off your ignore list whenever it is convenient for you. I won't play that game and so now I am going to put *you* on ignore. I hope you have fun in my bit bin along with the four other CTE Monkeys (apologies to JAM) who add nothing to the conversation and just jump up in down in their cages and throw their shee-at at the nice people at the zoo.

Ta Ta, John.

Lou Figueroa
damn that felt good :-)
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Well yeah Lou, that's why it's MY ignore list. I don't know why it's funny to you that I choose to manage who and what I ignore. Who else is going to do it.

But the best part is that you are actually still ON my ignore list when I use Firefox. I am using Google Chrome which does not have the same add-on. I don't use VB's ignore list because it sucks.

Must really burn you that the shit-throwing monkey beat you using Hal's system and this monkey will beat you again in a longer session unless you are afraid to play. Which I am SURE now that you will use the Jimbo-Excuse to get out of playing me.

Fine with me if you're scared. If I were you I wouldn't want to play me either after all the crap you have dumped on my these years concerning these aiming systems.

When I beat you heads up or even giving you a ball then I will NEVER let you forget it.

So your best bet is not to take the risk of losing to me.
 
Banks said:
I think there's a huge link in this chain that nobody's bothered addressing..

The fact that you must be able to:

Learn/Understand
Apply/Execute

Aiming systems, draw, patterns, jumping.. doesn't mean @#%^ if you don't understand what you're being taught.

After learning, it again doesn't mean #$%^ if you can't apply that knowledge.

This also goes for learning on one's own.. a player with a crappy stroke or crappy shot-making ability won't be getting any better one way or another until they recognize what it is they're in need of fixing. I know this myself because that is the way I've learned quite a bit of what I know, by seeing when I am doing things incorrectly and being able to apply that knowledge.

So, yes, aiming systems are a bit like weight loss plans in that you can use one, but if you truely unable to learn what it is and how to apply it appropriately in the future then it will be useless.
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I am not sure why you say that this is being missed. I know that CTE people at least have said repeatedly that it takes time to learn and practice the system for it to become ingrained. No one who teaches CTE has ever advertised it as a quick fix to make the shooter a champion. Everyone has said that while SOME people get it pretty quick most need time to learn it.

But as far as that goes learning on one's own is also sometimes the equivalent of a person's representing themselves in court. The person has a fool for an attorney.

It's very difficult to analyze things from the inside looking out. For example I am taking lessons from a top coach. He has fixed my stroke where I thought my stroke was already pretty good. I wasn't prepared for what he told me which isn't found in books and videos. But I listened and did what he says and now my stroke is better than it ever was.

Honestly if I had to learn CTE JUST from Stan's video by myself then I would give up. I think the thing that is missing actually from aiming systems, pool in general, and life as a whole is community and support.

We generally are left on our own as adults to pursue whatever interests us and consistent support, encouragement and professional level instruction are mostly unavailable to us or we don't think that we need it. We have become so used to the idea that we should be independent that the LAST place we look for help is to someone else for the serious things that need to be fixed.

My coach has an actual contract with his full time students. He doesn't charge them for coaching but he gets a percentage of their winnings. For that he goes with them to tournaments, is available to them all the time and stays current with what's happening in pool around the world to keep them informed and grounded.

I think that we all recognize that anything must be truly studied and absorbed before it can become 'natural'. Very few people are capable of doing that on their own and so they give up.

That is why in my opinion most diets and systems "fail". It's not the diet that is the problem, that works. It's the application that is the problem.
 
lfigueroa said:
I find it funny how I go on and off your ignore list whenever it is convenient for you. I won't play that game and so now I am going to put *you* on ignore. I hope you have fun in my bit bin along with the four other CTE Monkeys (apologies to JAM) who add nothing to the conversation and just jump up in down in their cages and throw their shee-at at the nice people at the zoo.

Ta Ta, John.

Lou Figueroa
damn that felt good :-)
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I am a cookie eating crow, not a monkey, and I don't shee-at on the nice people at the zoo, although I have zinged a few of the not so nice ones.
 
If aiming systems are like weight loss plans then CTE is like the famous "see-food" diet: I see it; I eat it.

With CTE, you can line up totally DIFFERENT shots exactly the SAME way, and BANG, in the pocket, dead-center, they go (unless you're banking, in which case BOING-BANG, in the pocket they go).
 
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