I have not read the entire thread, so please excuse me if this has already been pointed out. The above statement shows that you really dont understand Genes material and have absolutely no clue what it is he is trying to teach.
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I have not read the entire thread, so please excuse me if this has already been pointed out. The above statement shows that you really dont understand Genes material and have absolutely no clue what it is he is trying to teach.
Woody, no offense intended, but before you make comments like this you really should read the entire thread, it's not that long. You may discover that you are the one that doesn't understand things.
Yea quit being lazy woody,lol haha.
Looks like I'm going to California..........
I'll bet it's alot nicer in California than it is here.
I thought you were in Phoenix. That's what I get for thinking.
California complicates things a little because if i went to Phoenix I was going to see some friends and make the rounds again there.
I'm in the BCA State tourny here this weekend and then there is that Bar table tourny in Reno.
This will take some coordinating and planning but I think we can get r done.
I need to check on all my dates here and future lessons that i have sceduled and figure this out.
Tomorrow will be a good day for that. I played in 4 tournaments this weekend. Pretty tired.
Can't hardly wait to meet you Hank and set up that Perfect day to go to California.
Talk to you tomorrow. Geno...........
I'll bet it's alot nicer in California than it is here.
I thought you were in Phoenix. That's what I get for thinking.
California complicates things a little because if i went to Phoenix I was going to see some friends and make the rounds again there.
I'm in the BCA State tourny here this weekend and then there is that Bar table tourny in Reno.
This will take some coordinating and planning but I think we can get r done.
I need to check on all my dates here and future lessons that i have sceduled and figure this out.
Tomorrow will be a good day for that. I played in 4 tournaments this weekend. Pretty tired.
Can't hardly wait to meet you Hank and set up that Perfect day to go to California.
Talk to you tomorrow. Geno...........
Shankster, no offense taken. Per your suggestion I went ahead and read the balance of the thread. Unfortunately I didnt see anything that shows me I dont understand what is being said. As far as one of Gene's "huggers" explaining to you what is wrong about your interpretation of his material, its not our place to try and explain it on the internet.
As far as the material being for people that dont know which end of the cue to use, I can assure you that is not the case. I am no pro, but I sure know which end of the cue to use, and how to use it. I have had lessons with many of what are considered the top instructors in the US. NONE of them discussed what Gene is trying to teach.
Please dont feel like I am trying to take shots at you, cause Im not. Although at times with the tone of your posts and the constant "hugger" pot shots it can be difficult.
I spoke with Gene on the phone more than once because I felt that I wasnt fully grasping what he was trying to get across. I can tell you from experience teaching is very difficult, because people learn in different ways. So you have to learn to say the same thing several different ways in order to get your point across to different learning styles. Some people really only learn by being shown, which with what Gene is teaching can be REALLY hard because you cant really show someone what they should be seeing.
For the record I dont use fractional ball aiming, I have tried and it just does not work for me to try and think of the shot in the manner. Now dont get me wrong, it may very well be the overlap of the balls that tells my mind when Im right, but I sure dont think about it in that manner. I do use the ghostball technique at times which would be the closest thing to fractional ball aiming I guess. I believe getting your eyes in the right position can help no matter what type of aiming you use, but thats just me.
I really hope it works out to where you and Gene can get together, because no matter what the outcome I know you will have a good time.
Woody <---- not a "Hugger" just someone that is willing to support a good guy with great information.
What's really sad is that some of the members of the forum object and dislike the fact that some people use the forum for mining customers.
How people go about mining customers on this forum is Mike Howerton and Jerry Forsythe's business, not anyone else's business.
While Gene's antagonists have a right to their opinions, as long as they keep it civil, I can't argue with their right to argue their points.
However, there is an important point that some people appartently miss or simply don't care about and that is that Gene is one of America's top amateur players. He's not just another wannabee.
Gene is also trying to make a living at pool, playing tournament pool, gambling at pool, giving pool lessons, selling videos etc.
It is my belief that if someone is trying to make a dollar selling products and services that some people find valuable and the management of AZ Billiards doesn't have a problem with it, then those people should be able to market those products and services right here on the the main forum, PROVIDING THAT THEY GIVE BACK TO THE FORUM. In the past, I have had problems with some people (selling products and services on the main forum) not giving back to the forum and some of them have mended their ways and attempt to give back to the forum.
There's no need to go off on another tangent about who I'm talking about. It isn't necessary. All is right in the AZB world.
Except that GENE CONTINUOUSLY gives to the forum with his knowledge, his experience, his experiences and yes, Perfect Aim.
If you don't like what Gene provides or says that he provides, put him on ignore.
Gene has been patient with the naysayers responding courteously for the most part in spite of being pounced upon by the naysayers for whatever reason, often with less than civil demonization.
Gene has also been generous with his posts giving free advice to people who wish to improve their pool game.
It's no wonder that most top players avoid posting in this forum and if they do, they seldom give information that might help some people improve their game.
It's appears that it's Gene's detractors that need a hug, not Gene. LOL
Aw hell, here's a group :hug::hug: for everyone. :grin:
How people go about mining customers on this forum is Mike Howerton and Jerry Forsythe's business, not anyone else's business.
While Gene's antagonists have a right to their opinions, as long as they keep it civil, I can't argue with their right to argue their points.
However, there is an important point that some people appartently miss or simply don't care about and that is that Gene is one of America's top amateur players. He's not just another wannabee.
Gene is also trying to make a living at pool, playing tournament pool, gambling at pool, giving pool lessons, selling videos etc.
It is my belief that if someone is trying to make a dollar selling products and services that some people find valuable and the management of AZ Billiards doesn't have a problem with it, then those people should be able to market those products and services right here on the the main forum, PROVIDING THAT THEY GIVE BACK TO THE FORUM. In the past, I have had problems with some people (selling products and services on the main forum) not giving back to the forum and some of them have mended their ways and attempt to give back to the forum.
There's no need to go off on another tangent about who I'm talking about. It isn't necessary. All is right in the AZB world.
Except that GENE CONTINUOUSLY gives to the forum with his knowledge, his experience, his experiences and yes, Perfect Aim.
If you don't like what Gene provides or says that he provides, put him on ignore.
Gene has been patient with the naysayers responding courteously for the most part in spite of being pounced upon by the naysayers for whatever reason, often with less than civil demonization.
Gene has also been generous with his posts giving free advice to people who wish to improve their pool game.
It's no wonder that most top players avoid posting in this forum and if they do, they seldom give information that might help some people improve their game.
It's appears that it's Gene's detractors that need a hug, not Gene. LOL
Aw hell, here's a group :hug::hug: for everyone. :grin:
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Thanks Woody.......
I want to say I appreciate your insight and help.
I know that alot of players that know bits and pieces of perfect Aim sometimes don't really understand the meat of it but see these bits and pieces and think this is nothing new.
Unless these bits and pieces are put together with the main meat of Perfect Aim it sometimes doesn't make sense to some players no matter what level. Many teacher everywhere are already teaching these bits and pieces are are greatly helping players everywhere so much. I admire what they are doing because they are all making our pool world a better place. These are all good people trying to help other people because they enjoy it. The little bit of money they make is just such a small part of it.
This is one reason I have been working on the remake of Perfect Aim with all the new techniques that I have learned since the making of the last Perfect Aim video. I am trying to make this a product that will stand alone for the most part for eveyone that sees it. I know that there will still be some trouble for some but I am here for now and can help anyone, anytime and do everyday.
The good news is from the post between myself, Shankster,players like yourself trying to help,Joey and many others I have gotten numerous calls from players that were having trouble with figuring it out.
I am happy to say that 100% of those players that I just worked with over the phone finally understood it so they can incease their aiming ability drastically. All it takes is a call and I can't wait to get them. I always have time and make time to help especially if they believed in me enough to buy the video. I really believe I have a responsibility to help and sometimes I almost feel guilty because I think I enjoy helping too much. I get a real boost from it also. Knowing what I have will really help.
It's so fun to help these players because they are so thankful to see and realize that this will really do something for them. When they finally understand I can see the light go on in their head even over the phone. It's almost like; You got to be kidding me. This is the real deal and I can see it for myself.
There I go again pumping Perfect Aim but it is what it is and these are the real reactions that I get on a daily basis. It's what keeps this burning desire to teach more players everyday whether it be over the phone with someone that bought the video or a lesson in person.
And Woody, you brought up a good point. You said something like some players learn or see things a little differently. Some can learn from just the video and some really need that personal lesson. I have been learning how to teach this better and better every day, week, and month that I've been doing it. It has been getting very easy to show the players in the personal lesson how this works and all the little new techniques that I have added have contributed to this.
For right now though I hope the phone calls keep coming because I want every player that has bought the Perfect Aim video to totally understand how it works. That is my goal and that is why I will be flying to California in the near future.
Plus I think it will be kind of fun. I'm going to find out if there is a poolhall in Ontario, Cal and maybe spend a week there teaching Perfect Aim.
Another adventure, How SWEET. Travel, play and teach. It don't get any better than this.
PLUS IT"S WARM I"LL BE WILLING TO BET.
Thanks again Geno...........
I want to say I appreciate your insight and help.
I know that alot of players that know bits and pieces of perfect Aim sometimes don't really understand the meat of it but see these bits and pieces and think this is nothing new.
Unless these bits and pieces are put together with the main meat of Perfect Aim it sometimes doesn't make sense to some players no matter what level. Many teacher everywhere are already teaching these bits and pieces are are greatly helping players everywhere so much. I admire what they are doing because they are all making our pool world a better place. These are all good people trying to help other people because they enjoy it. The little bit of money they make is just such a small part of it.
This is one reason I have been working on the remake of Perfect Aim with all the new techniques that I have learned since the making of the last Perfect Aim video. I am trying to make this a product that will stand alone for the most part for eveyone that sees it. I know that there will still be some trouble for some but I am here for now and can help anyone, anytime and do everyday.
The good news is from the post between myself, Shankster,players like yourself trying to help,Joey and many others I have gotten numerous calls from players that were having trouble with figuring it out.
I am happy to say that 100% of those players that I just worked with over the phone finally understood it so they can incease their aiming ability drastically. All it takes is a call and I can't wait to get them. I always have time and make time to help especially if they believed in me enough to buy the video. I really believe I have a responsibility to help and sometimes I almost feel guilty because I think I enjoy helping too much. I get a real boost from it also. Knowing what I have will really help.
It's so fun to help these players because they are so thankful to see and realize that this will really do something for them. When they finally understand I can see the light go on in their head even over the phone. It's almost like; You got to be kidding me. This is the real deal and I can see it for myself.
There I go again pumping Perfect Aim but it is what it is and these are the real reactions that I get on a daily basis. It's what keeps this burning desire to teach more players everyday whether it be over the phone with someone that bought the video or a lesson in person.
And Woody, you brought up a good point. You said something like some players learn or see things a little differently. Some can learn from just the video and some really need that personal lesson. I have been learning how to teach this better and better every day, week, and month that I've been doing it. It has been getting very easy to show the players in the personal lesson how this works and all the little new techniques that I have added have contributed to this.
For right now though I hope the phone calls keep coming because I want every player that has bought the Perfect Aim video to totally understand how it works. That is my goal and that is why I will be flying to California in the near future.
Plus I think it will be kind of fun. I'm going to find out if there is a poolhall in Ontario, Cal and maybe spend a week there teaching Perfect Aim.
Another adventure, How SWEET. Travel, play and teach. It don't get any better than this.
PLUS IT"S WARM I"LL BE WILLING TO BET.
Thanks again Geno...........
Working on a plan right now.
Is there a poolhall in Ontario. If so i'm going to try and contact them and maybe set up a bunch of lessons.
Every lesson will be with a money back guarantee also. If this is not the most amazing thing you have ever seen since you've been playing pool the lesson is free. I don't even care if you are player in the pro tournys. Everyone needs to know this. Once you learn and understand you will know why I say this.
This is how confident I am that this will help your game tremendously.
If I'm going to fly all the way out there I'd like to make this available to as many players as possible. the more lessons I set up the longer I'll stay.
Plus it's warm there right now so the sooner the better.
Talk to you soon. geno...........
Is there a poolhall in Ontario. If so i'm going to try and contact them and maybe set up a bunch of lessons.
Every lesson will be with a money back guarantee also. If this is not the most amazing thing you have ever seen since you've been playing pool the lesson is free. I don't even care if you are player in the pro tournys. Everyone needs to know this. Once you learn and understand you will know why I say this.
This is how confident I am that this will help your game tremendously.
If I'm going to fly all the way out there I'd like to make this available to as many players as possible. the more lessons I set up the longer I'll stay.
Plus it's warm there right now so the sooner the better.
Talk to you soon. geno...........
Stix Sports & Grill in Ranch Cucamonga is next door to Ontario and is a renouned room in Southern California. Even Efren goes there occasionally
Shankster
Shankster,
In spite of your hounding Geno, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt in case some of your rants about centering the cue between the eyes had some validity. I've seen far too many pool players playing pool and I mean, great ones and they have the cue stick all over the place, not just centered between the eyes.
I took the time to check out my "eyespan" as you call it simply because I wanted to make some comparisons and to see if maybe you could be right.
I measure things for a living, so I measure extremely well and found that my eye span is 3 inches center to center of the pupils of mye eyes. This is so far off from your measurements that it is a joke for you you to make your assumptions about where Perfect Aim is supposed to be.
I wasted some time following up your suggestions and dimension references. I know I should have known better.
I know that everyone enjoys having their day in the sun but you have put a cloud over yourself with all of these rants.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt because I am always open to learning more but your weak pontifications have soured my interest to consider following anything you have to say.
In the future, I will simply listen to those who I KNOW to have better experience, better knowledge, more talent and confirmed "good" information.
Not really trying to dis you as much as I am trying to warn others to be careful whom you listen to. I see now, yours is just an attempt to have your day in the sun.
The common phenomena of "taking someone down a notch" in these forums has been a play-thing for many and I surmise that your efforts to make Geno look badly in other's eyes, has failed miserably.
Shankster,
In spite of your hounding Geno, I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt in case some of your rants about centering the cue between the eyes had some validity. I've seen far too many pool players playing pool and I mean, great ones and they have the cue stick all over the place, not just centered between the eyes.
I took the time to check out my "eyespan" as you call it simply because I wanted to make some comparisons and to see if maybe you could be right.
I measure things for a living, so I measure extremely well and found that my eye span is 3 inches center to center of the pupils of mye eyes. This is so far off from your measurements that it is a joke for you you to make your assumptions about where Perfect Aim is supposed to be.
I wasted some time following up your suggestions and dimension references. I know I should have known better.
I know that everyone enjoys having their day in the sun but you have put a cloud over yourself with all of these rants.
I gave you the benefit of the doubt because I am always open to learning more but your weak pontifications have soured my interest to consider following anything you have to say.
In the future, I will simply listen to those who I KNOW to have better experience, better knowledge, more talent and confirmed "good" information.
Not really trying to dis you as much as I am trying to warn others to be careful whom you listen to. I see now, yours is just an attempt to have your day in the sun.
The common phenomena of "taking someone down a notch" in these forums has been a play-thing for many and I surmise that your efforts to make Geno look badly in other's eyes, has failed miserably.
Ymmv
I recently got new glasses and they measure distances between pupils with a specific device used by opticians when fitting glasses..
She said on average or standard measurement is 63mm which works out to 2.48"
I am 61mm which is 2.41.. Just an FYI
Looks like the span between your eyes is a bit further than average.. Your span works out to 76.2mm
Just bored at work and thought I'd share that.
With that said my shift depending on the shot does not vary as much as JoeyA's might according to PerfectAim. That is if I am understanding correctly.
I've had success with what I've been shown by Gene. YMMV
I recently got new glasses and they measure distances between pupils with a specific device used by opticians when fitting glasses..
She said on average or standard measurement is 63mm which works out to 2.48"
I am 61mm which is 2.41.. Just an FYI
Looks like the span between your eyes is a bit further than average.. Your span works out to 76.2mm
Just bored at work and thought I'd share that.
With that said my shift depending on the shot does not vary as much as JoeyA's might according to PerfectAim. That is if I am understanding correctly.
I've had success with what I've been shown by Gene. YMMV
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JoeyA**hugger, I'm still waiting for you to come back with whatever evidence you have that justified your posting insinuations that I did not pay for my perfect aim DVD.
Everything I've said about my phone conversation with Geno is true - including his acknowledgement that if I centered the cue beneath my eyes I'd have to move it more than 1/8 inch to be in the "perfect" place, and including his apologetic comment that his aiming was for lesser players than myself - those that basically didn't know one end of the cue from the other. If Geno chooses now to deny or misrepresent the content of that conversation, I can do nothing about it. If you choose not to believe me, I could care less. In fact, now that you've opened your mouth and accused me of not having paid for Gene's DVD, and have produced no evidence to that effect, I believe it is clear to everyone that you are the one who is not believable.
Regarding your three inch eyespan. I measured more than a dozen people's eyespan's and they ranged from 2 3/8 to slightly over 2 1/2 inches. If you say your eyespan is three inches, I'll accept that. I did say that there probably were people with eyespans outside of the range I quoted, so you might be one of them. You do act like a mongoloid sometimes, IMO I think you should have measured a few more eyespans before you pronouncing a foolish conclusion based only on your own extraordinary eyespan. But that is typical of you Joey, more concerned about hugging than preserving your own integrity, IMO.
Shankster,
I guess I had surmised that you hadn't purchased a DVD, based upon your posts at the time. No biggee. My bad. Glad you invested the money.
BTW, Shankster, you act like d**k practically all of the time. lol
JoeyA, thanks for the constructive input. One more point should be made regarding your purported three inch eyespan. Your post implies that because your eyespan is three inches that invalidates all I've said. What foolishness! Let's analyze what are the implications of your three inch eyespan as it pertains to perfect aim.
For left cuts, Geno wants you to sight with your left eye along the left edge of the cueball and see that edge appropriately overlap the object ball for the shot. The opposite is true for right cuts. So, if you drop into a cue centered position, you'd have to move your head at most 3/8 inch for your shooting eye to be in that "perfect" spot Gene keeps referring to.
Geno talks about head movements in the order of an inch - till one "loses" the shot. Then, moving the head back (inches?), till the shot looks right. None of that makes sense, IMO, because he never gives a starting point for the eyes to move from and, certainly, if people knew when the shot "looked right", they wouldn't be consulting Geno.
Anyway, it's all very simple. If your eyespan is three inches, move your left or right eye toward the cueball at most 3/8 inch from a cue centered position (depending on whether it is a left or right cut). If your eyespan is 2 1/2 inches, move the appropriate eye at most 1/8 inch toward the cue ball. If your eyespan is 2 1/4, your eyes are at that perfect spot Gene preaches about. As I said before to you Joey, what Geno teaches ain't rocket science - it's old stuff..
It should also be understood by everyone that Geno's is a one size fits all system (the same eye position for everyone). The larger community of instructors have always had a problem with this, I believe. As I posted earlier in this thread they adhere to the concept of a vision center that can be located anywhere between the eyes (or outside the eyes, logically). I imagine that many AZr's can recall when Geno was so certain of himself, about a year ago, that he posted that the others instructers were basically full of it, and that they would someday wish they had been teaching perfect aim all along. (If someone can PM me and tell me how to make a link out of a word like "here" which would point to old posts, I would appreciate it and I will be able to link to such posts when necessary).
Anyway, Geno said a mouthful and, surprisingly, it closed the mouths of all the instructors. I never did understand why they made no effort to controvert the negative remarks Geno directed at them. It is interesting now that Geno has apparently swung around to their side, and that is the basis of his answer of "No" to the question "Geno, If I center the cue beneath my eyes, are my eyes then within 1/8 inch of that perfect spot you keep referring to?" Based on Geno's recent "no" answer, a logical conclusion is that he has abandoned perfect aim as it was presented in his DVD's. No wonder he is making only spam posts and making no effort to controvert my proof that perfect aim is nothing but fractional ball aiming with the cue centered beneath the eyes (within 1/8 inch for most people, but within 3/8 inch for JoeyA). Unfortunately for Geno, the DVD speaks for itself.
Thanks again, JoeyA for assisting in widening our focus on what is perfect aim. I think most people have just about figured it out now.
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Dude, I honestly don't think your an a$$. But why cant you let it go ?
Gene has helped a lot of players and that is great . So it didn't work out for you and I am sorry it didn't. You are being borderline insane about it, back up and take a break. Nothing is that important . Chill out and move
on. You said it wasn't the money then wtf . Let it go let it go let it go.
Have a great day
PS The shank part in your name makes me think of prison.Hint... being obsessed.
Please don't kill anybody lol J/K
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Thanks but no thanks. Your information and interaction isn't something I am interested in. Sorry...................
Petey, as usual, thanks for a post that doesn't address any of the issues. This is none of your business, but my handle has evolved since teenage years. My name is Henry, which became Hank to some of my friends, which became Hankster, and Shankster. Sorry if my handle makes you nervous, Peetey, but it has nothing to do with prison. Petey, if I change my handle someday, I'll try to come up with something sweetie, like yours. Sorry if you messed your panties.
And by the way, I'm not arguing that Geno has not helped some people. He told me long ago that perfect aim was intended for those that didn't know one end of the cue from the other.
Peetey, are you still "snapping off tournaments" since learning from Geno? That's pretty neat!!!!!!!
Joey, I'm sorry you're not interested in further discussing your three inch eyespan; you made a big deal of it earlier. Remember, just move your shooting eye in 3/8 of an inch and you'll be OK. Or, you can ask Geno for a $150 lesson. I apologize if you don't want things simplified.
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I have never read so much about being right or wrong without some consolation to thinking about the issue. Even when Gene offers to visit face to face to straighten out a wayward "prodigal son". Man you have some deep seeded issues about being right! My Dad would have straightened you out like breaking a horse! I hope Gene teaches you how to aim then kicks your ass, and not on the pool table!
I have never read so much about being right or wrong without some consolation to thinking about the issue. Even when Gene offers to visit face to face to straighten out a wayward "prodigal son". Man you have some deep seeded issues about being right! My Dad would have straightened you out like breaking a horse! I hope Gene teaches you how to aim then kicks your ass, and not on the pool table!