PRO ONE DVD: Answering Questions

pip9ball said:
I've only watched it once, however I think there is a whole lot that is missing in the explanations. Stan talks about two lines, one being the center of the cue ball to the edge of the object ball, and the other being the center of the object ball to the edge of the cue ball. He then talks about points A, B, C. However nowhere does he tell you when you address the cue ball which aiming line you line up against? You have two parallel lines, three points on the object ball, but no clear explanation on which one to aim for. Maybe I need to watch this again, but from what I watched I was very confused....

-Pip
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First line - center of cb to edge of ob << u are correct
Second line - edge of the cb to to the ABC reference points << u have to figure out this
exception to the second line rule is 1/8 overlap line on the cb an ob

Im thinking you need to really pay attention when u watch the dvd and watch it many times! is my opinion :)
 
pip9ball said:
I've only watched it once, however I think there is a whole lot that is missing in the explanations. Stan talks about two lines, one being the center of the cue ball to the edge of the object ball, and the other being the center of the object ball to the edge of the cue ball. He then talks about points A, B, C. However nowhere does he tell you when you address the cue ball which aiming line you line up against? You have two parallel lines, three points on the object ball, but no clear explanation on which one to aim for. Maybe I need to watch this again, but from what I watched I was very confused....

-Pip
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If you copy or take notes of the grid and shots provided and take those to the table and lay it out the same way you will start seeing it after a little practice. Although it takes more than a little practice to master it.
 
TheConArtist said:
K. It's just a lil hard as I'm left handed. I put the CID on my iPod so I have it handy when at the table now
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I am a lefty also. I don't think it's a problem for us in particular . It could be how you are standing facing the shot. Look again how Stan faces the shot and then as you move in toward the CB let your hand slide forward till you are in position. I think a common mistake would be just arbitrarily putting your hand down where you think it should be.
 
I would say I got the manual CTE down as how I learned it didn't have the reference points and was called shishkabob. Lol.

What I like to know is in Pro1 the eyes move left of CTEL or right do I just rotate my upper body left or right and address the cueball.?
 
you really should take advantage of spiderwebbcom, who follows this board regularly. He is the most knowledgeable guy here on cte, spiderwebcom always seems willing to help if your willing to listen an not being a ass, im just saying.
 
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I watched the basic CTE portion about 5 times today and this still doesn't make any sense. I understand all the terminology and the reference lines and I can visualize them. What is never mentioned is which line you use to aim? Do you use Center to edge or edge of CB to aim points A,b, or c? I tried to determine this by watching the shots in slow motion but it was difficult to see. All he says is now that I've got the visuals I move into the shot with a left or right tip pivot! If someone can explain this, I'd appreciate it!

I think the video would have been much better if it were shot from the shooters perspective.
 
pip9ball said:
I watched the basic CTE portion about 5 times today and this still doesn't make any sense. I understand all the terminology and the reference lines and I can visualize them. What is never mentioned is which line you use to aim? Do you use Center to edge or edge of CB to aim points A,b, or c? I tried to determine this by watching the shots in slow motion but it was difficult to see. All he says is now that I've got the visuals I move into the shot with a left or right tip pivot! If someone can explain this, I'd appreciate it!

I think the video would have been much better if it were shot from the shooters perspective.
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The best thing you can do is call Stan on one of the days he is available and ask him directly. He is available today to answer questions even though it is not one of the days he has listed.

In the meantime here is what I do.

Once I have strong visuals of both aim lines without moving my head in either direction I move my head and body directly toward the center of the cue ball sliding my bridge hand to a position where the cue tip is 1/2 tip to the left or right of the cue ball center. Then pivot to center cue ball. Try that with one of his DVD reference shots. Hope that helps.
 
If some of you need help locking onto visuals, maybe I can stream something from my basement to help you guys out. Keep in mind, when making the video, we only had a certain amount of time available. We could either post berserk details on every aspect of the first few chapters and not touch on pro1 and some of the more advanced stuff--- or, we can cover everything with enough detail that people can work on their own and call with questions. I think Stan did the right thing--- cover as many topics as possible.

Anyways, maybe tomorrow evening or Saturday during the day I can do a live interactive stream and answer questions. This stuff isn't hard at all. In fact, it's basic. The only thing that requires time (weeks to months) is to train yourself on how to perceive the visuals PERFECTLY. Many THINK they are and they're not. It took me a solid 6 months to train my eyes correctly; but then again, I never had the benefit of a DVD.

Anyways, PM me if interested. No charge-- I just wanna help you guys.

Dave
 
pip9ball said:
I watched the basic CTE portion about 5 times today and this still doesn't make any sense. I understand all the terminology and the reference lines and I can visualize them. What is never mentioned is which line you use to aim? Do you use Center to edge or edge of CB to aim points A,b, or c? I tried to determine this by watching the shots in slow motion but it was difficult to see. All he says is now that I've got the visuals I move into the shot with a left or right tip pivot! If someone can explain this, I'd appreciate it!

I think the video would have been much better if it were shot from the shooters perspective.
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This is what I mentioned. Maybe when Dave does a video he can show it in a shooters point of view.
 
What I think would help...

The example shots on the DVD are valuable, but there aren't that many of them. I think it would be both easy and valuable to publish a list of a variety of shots with the "coded" instructions just like those in the DVD:

CB23; OB15
CCB TO LOBE
RCBE TO OBB
RIGHT PIVOT

I'd love to have about 25 or so more of these to practice!
 
Does anyone have a grid/diagram with the different positions plotted out on it? That would have been a nice inclusion on the dvd for people to print out. It's a lot easier to write down or remember "21 to 13 should be CCB to ROBE and LCBE to B" (first example in Chap 6). Then bring the plot chart and know exactly where those positions are.

I was going to create my own plotted chart of where 21 would be, 13, etc... But in case someone already did the legwork, thought I would ask.

Thanks!
 
Here are a few other thoughts on learning Stan's basic CTE system.

IMO you have no chance of learning the system unless you practice the reference shots in Stan's DVD. This means you must have made or copied the table numbering system for identifying where to put the CB and OB on the table. Then you must know from the DVD the following information for each reference shot. CB position, OB position, cut (left or right), aim point (Stan may have diffeent wording for what I am calling "aim point") for edge of CB to OB (A, B or 1/8 for left cuts and C, B or 1/8 for right cuts) and pivot direction (left or right). Note that this means there are six different possible cut angles for a left cut (A with left pivot, A with right pivot, B with left pivot, B with right pivot, 1/8 with left pivot, 1/8 with right pivot). The same is true for a right cut with aim points C, B, and 1/8.

Now, as a beginner in this system you know the cut direction. That's all you know. To practice any shot you must know the correct aim (edge of CB to point on OB) and the correct pivot to use. Hence, the need to use Stan's reference shots where he tells you what the aim and pivot are. Just tossing the balls out on the table and trying to learn Basic CTE is useless and you don't have one chance in hell of learning the system.

Finally, after you have established the visuals (center of CB to edge of OB and the edge of the CB to the correct point on the OB) the edges of the CB are fixed or set and therefore, so is the center of the CB. At this point you need never look at the OB again. WHEN USING BASIC CTE OR PRO ONE, AFTER ESTABLISHING THE VISUALS YOU AIM AT NOTHING ON THE OB. 100% of your focus from here on is on the center of the CB. Move straight to the center of the CB and slide your bridge hand to a position where the cue tip is 1/2 tip left or right from the CB center. Then pivot the tip to the exact center of the CB and stroke.

I'm sure Stan can improve on my explanations so don't forget to give him a call if you have questions.
 
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Okay that makes no sense at all. The first part is lining up center of cue ball to edge of object ball. If all you do is focus on the center then what is the point I'd the other line? I can find center of the cueball everytime, but you somehow need to focus on one of the two lines...the question is which one! On the DVD, the lines start off parallel then magically change....ignoring how and why they change, what line should my cue be parallel to when I move toward half tip center prior to pivot?
 
pip9ball said:
Okay that makes no sense at all. The first part is lining up center of cue ball to edge of object ball. If all you do is focus on the center then what is the point I'd the other line? I can find center of the cueball everytime, but you somehow need to focus on one of the two lines...the question is which one! On the DVD, the lines start off parallel then magically change....ignoring how and why they change, what line should my cue be parallel to when I move toward half tip center prior to pivot?
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lol :grin::grin:

the other line is what you can say is an adjustment line and when it is combined together with the cte line, it now places you in the position you need to be in before you move forward and drop down on the ball and then pivot. You need to line up both lines while standing behind the ball, not just one or the other!

your cue is always on the center of the cue ball to edge of object ball line.

Lets say your shooting a almost straight in shot to the side pocket, now you need to be lined up with an outside reference point, A or C. If you use the B reference your whole body alignment will be out of position and u miss the shot (you will be set up too much to the inside) and end up missing it to the inside.

If you ever seen Jb's video that he lines up the balls right down the middle and shoots them all in the bottom left corner, he has a line on the table going all the way to his body. Now if you look at that video and keep an eye on the line and his butt on his cue you will see on every shot the gap will get smaller as the cut become thinner. On the dvd you have reference points to show you how and put you in the proper position to do this where as JB is using feel and his margin for error is greater.
 
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nateobot said:
Does anyone have a grid/diagram with the different positions plotted out on it? That would have been a nice inclusion on the dvd for people to print out. It's a lot easier to write down or remember "21 to 13 should be CCB to ROBE and LCBE to B" (first example in Chap 6). Then bring the plot chart and know exactly where those positions are.

I was going to create my own plotted chart of where 21 would be, 13, etc... But in case someone already did the legwork, thought I would ask.

Thanks!
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Here you go... if I did this correctly, it's attached to this post.
 

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PocketPoint said:
Does anyone else find this a little funny at everyone trying to jump through these hoops?
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Not really. Nothing funny about people trying to learn new things. Some people picked this up over night -- others, not so much. Some people are audio, visual or kinesthetic learners and everyone picks stuff up differently.

Someone just sent me a nice email from Barbados saying he ran something like 58 balls using CTE when his former high was something like 35.

They should jump through these hoops -- the effort is well worth the results.
 
I think people get confused with things like "How do I sight two lines at the same time" or "How do you see two lines that aren't parallel?"

Fact is--- geometrically speaking the CTEL and edge to B are parallel, but perceptually speaking--- none of these lines are parallel and who cares.

Depending on the distance, you still must move your eyes off the CTEL to get an edge-to-B visual because the OB is smaller than the CB. Check out the attached image.

Start from the CTEL (eye positioning) and from that point move your head/eyes left or right until you get the proper edge-to-target alignment. You always need to start from the CTEL in order to enable to get the correct "view" of the CB disc. If you're off a little bit because you skipped the CTEL and jumped straight to the target alignment, you'll have a different 180 degree view of the CB disc (or CAN have, at least).

Once you have the correct view of the CB, slide in the visual face of the CB -- along a line that's perpendicular to the face of the CB with your 1/2 tip offset.

When you do this, you're locked onto the CTEL vector and the edge-to-target vector. Sighting two lines concurrently is a much stronger visual aid than relying on 1 line. Helps eliminate MANY illusions. Anyways, I'll explain this in a lot more detail when I'm at my table. Will do something SAT afternoon and post info here.

Dave

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When cutting left, I'm using my left eye to acquire the inside edge to A/B alignment--- when cutting right I'm using my right eye to get the B/C alignment. Without getting into dominant eye battles, if you feel as though you might have somewhat of a stronger dominant eye-- you need to do this.
 

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