PRO ONE DVD: Answering Questions

[JoeyA]

I think people get confused with things like "How do I sight two lines at the same time" or "How do you see two lines that aren't parallel?"

Fact is--- geometrically speaking the CTEL and edge to B are parallel, but perceptually speaking--- none of these lines are parallel and who cares.

Depending on the distance, you still must move your eyes off the CTEL to get an edge-to-B visual because the OB is smaller than the CB. Check out the attached image.

Start from the CTEL (eye positioning) and from that point move your head/eyes left or right until you get the proper edge-to-target alignment. You always need to start from the CTEL in order to enable to get the correct "view" of the CB disc. If you're off a little bit because you skipped the CTEL and jumped straight to the target alignment, you'll have a different 180 degree view of the CB disc (or CAN have, at least).

Once you have the correct view of the CB, slide in the visual face of the CB -- along a line that's perpendicular to the face of the CB with your 1/2 tip offset.

When you do this, you're locked onto the CTEL vector and the edge-to-target vector. Sighting two lines concurrently is a much stronger visual aid than relying on 1 line. Helps eliminate MANY illusions. Anyways, I'll explain this in a lot more detail when I'm at my table. Will do something SAT afternoon and post info here.

Dave

p.s.

When cutting left, I'm using my left eye to acquire the inside edge to A/B alignment--- when cutting right I'm using my right eye to get the B/C alignment. Without getting into dominant eye battles, if you feel as though you might have somewhat of a stronger dominant eye-- you need to do this.

Dave,
Isn't this diagram showing a cut to the right?
JoeyA

 

[champ2107]

Dave,
Isn't this diagram showing a cut to the right?
JoeyA

that it is, JoeyA i blew a ero monday on a right B reference cut shot in league, I pivoted from left when i should pivoted from the right lol

 

[Falcon Eddie]

Not really. Nothing funny about people trying to learn new things. Some people picked this up over night -- others, not so much. Some people are audio, visual or kinesthetic learners and everyone picks stuff up differently.

Someone just sent me a nice email from Barbados saying he ran something like 58 balls using CTE when his former high was something like 35.

They should jump through these hoops -- the effort is well worth the results.

Good for them ! And Kudo's to you for your positive impute .

 

[JE54]

Looking forward to the video, Dave.................

 

[dareads]

I just got the DVD two days ago and have watched it and got on the table last night. Before I went, I used a piece of paper and put the grids so I would have numbers to test shots. Someone a few posts ago mentioned that they wished there were more examples of shots to try. I have a list of about 20 or more from the DVD. I just used the examples in the ProOne section, using manual pivot.

I guess my biggest question would be in reference to the secondary aim point. (A,B,C) Let's see if I can explain this.
For finding the secondary point, is it something that you need to find, or once you line up the CTE line, will there only be one secondary point that is obvious. I could be totally wrong but it seems like there is only 1 true CTE line for every shot and that the secondary point seems to fall in line from there.

I also had a question regarding the pivot and an idea of how I think it works. I was lining up random shots using the CTE line and trying to determine if that point was either to full or to thin to pocket the ball. I would pivot based on hitting thinner or fuller. It seemed to work, but then again, this is from someone that watched the DVD once and has only about an hour of play time.

 

[champ2107]

For finding the secondary point, is it something that you need to find, or once you line up the CTE line, will there only be one secondary point that is obvious.

Finding the secondary line takes out the feel,adjustment part of the system and tells you "this is exactly where i should be looking and standing and should now move in for the pivot and shot"

Sometimes you will be lined up and secondary line will not be obvious. The more experienced you are with this system the easier it will be, like anything

I could be totally wrong but it seems like there is only 1 true CTE line for every shot and that the secondary point seems to fall in line from there.

the center cb to edge of ob line is always cte and the secondary line is edge to the reference points or 1/8 overlap.

 

[Murdoch7627]

lol :grin::grin:

your cue is always on the center of the cue ball to edge of object ball line.

Champ,

Good post. However, I really don't think that the cue is on the center of the cue ball to edge of the object ball line. I think it is somewhere between the two aim lines. More importantly, we need to remember that this system is a visual system not a mechanical system. I remind myself to "let the eyes lead me and the body will follow". As you said the two visuals get you into position to drop to the shot from the standing position. The key IMO is to move your head (eyes) and, hence, the body straight to the center cue ball from the standing position sliding the bridge hand to a position where the cue tip is 1/2 tip off the CB center.

Just my thoughts.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Dave,
Isn't this diagram showing a cut to the right?
JoeyA

Yes.... in my p.s. i was just explaining how I see the alignment. It didn't have anything to do with that pic. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[champ2107]

lol :grin::grin:

your cue is always on the center of the cue ball to edge of object ball line.

Champ,

Good post. However, I really don't think that the cue is on the center of the cue ball to edge of the object ball line.I think it is somewhere between the two aim lines. More importantly, we need to remember that this system is a visual system not a mechanical system. I remind myself to "let the eyes lead me and the body will follow". As you said the two visuals get you into position to drop to the shot from the standing position. If I had to say anything about where the cue is I would say it is somewhere between the two aim lines but I really don't think that is important. The key IMO is to move your head (eyes) and, hence, the body straight to the center cue ball from the standing position sliding the bridge hand to a position where the cue tip is 1/2 tip off the CB center.

Just my thoughts.

what i meant was when your sighting the shot pre pivot, your cue edge will be cte line. Im not sure im getting what you meant in the above, that i highlighted in bold,though? are u meaning after the pivot, i have been also been talking manual cte and not pro1 in these threads.

 

[Murdoch7627]

what i meant was when your sighting the shot pre pivot, your cue edge will be cte. Im not sure im getting what you meant in the above, that i highlighted in bold,though? are u meaning after the pivot, i have been also been talking manual cte and not pro1 in these threads.

Do me a favor please so we don't get more confused nor confuse others on AZ. I talked to Stan this afternoon about your one statement "your cue is always on the center of the cue ball to the edge of the object ball line" and both of us were confused as to what you meant. Please call Stan tomorrow (Friday) and discuss with him what you meant to make sure you are on the right tract. He is very helpful to those who care enough to call.

One final comment that is not in any way directed to you, Champ. To those who really want to learn the system but are having questions I encourage you to seek Stan's help or help from others who know the system and stay positive as you can learn the system. It works and it is amazing once you "get it". For those others who would rather just complain and post negative comments on AZ about the system instead of contacting Stan or others for assistance, I suggest you find another aiming system because you will never get CTE/Pro One nor ever be able to use it as an aiming system. You are the "can't people" in Henry Ford's statement, "Whether you think you can or whether you think you can't you're right." Just my thoughts.

 

[champ2107]

Okay that makes no sense at all. The first part is lining up center of cue ball to edge of object ball. If all you do is focus on the center then what is the point I'd the other line? I can find center of the cueball everytime, but you somehow need to focus on one of the two lines...the question is which one! On the DVD, the lines start off parallel then magically change....ignoring how and why they change, what line should my cue be parallel to when I move toward half tip center prior to pivot?

cue should be on cte line, find the right reference point yourself that is needed to make the shot. After the pivot you are center cue ball and now should be set up to shoot, there is no reference lines to check now, if you did every thing right before the pivot, the ball will drop. Fixed this for murdock some people are pretty much quoting stan in these threads and some guys are having trouble understanding it. Im just trying to figure a way to help them understand.

 

[pablocruz]

Both Champ and Murdoch I think you're both right in a sense, that one is referring to pre-pivot while the other is referring to post-pivot!! FWIW

 

[LAMas]

lol :grin::grin:

your cue is always on the center of the cue ball to edge of object ball line.

Champ,

Good post. However, I really don't think that the cue is on the center of the cue ball to edge of the object ball line. I think it is somewhere between the two aim lines. More importantly, we need to remember that this system is a visual system not a mechanical system. I remind myself to "let the eyes lead me and the body will follow". As you said the two visuals get you into position to drop to the shot from the standing position. The key IMO is to move your head (eyes) and, hence, the body straight to the center cue ball from the standing position sliding the bridge hand to a position where the cue tip is 1/2 tip off the CB center.

Just my thoughts.

I concur with your explanation. The cue can't always be pointed on the CTE line, it must be positioned incrementally shifted to the right or left (depending) after you find the secondary aim line from the edge of the CB to the points on the OB - somewhere in between both lines.

In order to align the CB edge to the secondary aim points on the OB, your head/eyes, body and back foot must be moved so that you are off of the CTE line. Then one brings the bridge hand and cue to 1/2 tip to the correct side of the center of the CB prepivot.

The rest has been described before.

Just sayin.:smile:

 

[SpiderWebComm]

cue should be on cte line, find the right reference point yourself that is needed to make the shot. After the pivot you are center cue ball and now should be set up to shoot, there is no reference lines to check now, if you did every thing right before the pivot, the ball will drop. Fixed this for murdock some people are pretty much quoting stan in these threads and some guys are having trouble understanding it. Im just trying to figure a way to help them understand.

The cue line and CTEL are not the same line. If that were true, every one of your shots would be 1/2 ball hits, right?

 

[champ2107]

The inside of the cue is on the line with the cte line, after the pivot it is exactly dead center cue ball to somewhere on the object ball, right? im not sure im getting you, Dave?

 

[champ2107]

I concur with your explanation. The cue can't always be pointed on the CTE line, it must be positioned incrementally shifted to the right or left (depending) after you find the secondary aim line from the edge of the CB to the points on the OB - somewhere in between both lines.

In order to align the CB edge to the secondary aim points on the OB, your head/eyes, body and back foot must be moved so that you are off of the CTE line. Then one brings the bridge hand and cue to 1/2 tip to the correct side of the center of the CB prepivot.

The rest has been described before.

Just sayin.:smile:

that is not really true, but can be done that way...ijs

 

[PocketPoint]

I am wondering how much mental capacity it takes to use this in a tournament or action?

Is it difficult to worry about the hundreds of CTE adjustments, and then also have to worry about the game itself? (position, strategy, whatever else goes on in a game)

It seems to me that the CTE player might get preoccupied with his aiming, and then make a strategical mistake because he can't focus on so many things at once.

 

[dareads]

I am wondering how much mental capacity it takes to use this in a tournament or action?

Is it difficult to worry about the hundreds of CTE adjustments, and then also have to worry about the game itself? (position, strategy, whatever else goes on in a game)

It seems to me that the CTE player might get preoccupied with his aiming, and then make a strategical mistake because he can't focus on so many things at once.

The statement above is why it says in the DVD it can take weeks to months to become comfortable with the system. It is a good system, that once practiced enough will become second nature and thoughtless. It should make it easier to focus on the other aspects of the game at that point because the aiming of the shot will be something you won't have to worry about. I am just hoping that the transition for me is more in the weeks than the months category.

 

[dstone120647]

Pro One:

I would like to know if there are any rules in pivoting from left or right.I think I understand the A,B,C spots on the OB. Left cuts use A or B. Right cuts B or C. but still confussed on pivoting from Left or Right. Thanks

 

[JE54]

Repetition & practice. I've been using cte for quite awhile and I'm still not always positive on which pivot it is. Most of the time as it says in the video it's obvious, but sometimes, it's not and when you pivot wrong you miss by alot.