Yet Another CTE Review

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I think I know the shots you are looking at but my point is that the cue ball MOVES in each of these shots. Maybe you should share the timeline for each shot you are speaking of. I will look at each shot you are speaking of and give it a hard look, but I think if you look hard you will see that the cue ball has been placed in a different position on the table for each shot. If this is not the case, post the timeline and I will look at each shot you reference.
JoeyA

JoeyA, just look at about 33:22 in the DVD (early in chapter 12, same cue ball position for three different shots - cut into side, cut into corner, bank cross side.
 
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I think I know the shots you are looking at but my point is that the cue ball MOVES in each of these shots. Maybe you should share the timeline for each shot you are speaking of. I will look at each shot you are speaking of and give it a hard look, but I think if you look hard you will see that the cue ball has been placed in a different position on the table for each shot. If this is not the case, post the timeline and I will look at each shot you reference.
JoeyA
Joey, if you understand the question and know the answer, why not just answer it?

Where should the eyes be in relation to the two "vision lines"?

If this can't be clearly stated, how can anybody be expected to "establish the visual" needed for a shot?

Why isn't such an important step in the system clearly explained on the DVD?

pj
chgo
 
JoeyA, just look at about 33:22 in the DVD (early in chapter 12, same cue ball position for three different shots - cut into side, cut into corner, bank cross side.

Maybe this will help you.

Shot 1: Center of cue ball to RIGHT edge of object ball. LEFT edge of cue ball to point A.

Shot 2: Center of cue ball to LEFT edge of Object Ball. RIGHT edge of cue ball to point B.

Shot 3: Center of cue ball to RIGHT edge of object ball. LEFT EDGE of cue ball to point B.

JoeyA
 
JoeyA, just look at about 33:22 in the DVD (early in chapter 12, same cue ball position for three different shots - cut into side, cut into corner, bank cross side.

Shankster your center to edge line changes on all three shots!! if you were to take a rifle and shoot at the right edge of a water tower, you're bullet from your perspective would hit the edge of the water tower!! If you were to move a foot to the right that bullet hole would no longer be on the edge, it would look like it was in front of the edge of the water tower! And if you were to move a foot to your left, it would look like it was behind the edge of the water tower!! Write down and take to the table Stevies 4-way shot at CB 31 and OB 21 and hopefully you will see how the CTEL changes for every shot!!
 
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Come on Shank, move it daddy. I have to move on but want to stay with you until you get it.
Thanks,
JoeyA
 
JoeyA, just look at about 33:22 in the DVD (early in chapter 12, same cue ball position for three different shots - cut into side, cut into corner, bank cross side.

Did you put me on ignore? :D

Maybe this will help you.

Shot 1: Center of cue ball to RIGHT edge of object ball. LEFT edge of cue ball to point A.

Shot 2: Center of cue ball to LEFT edge of Object Ball. RIGHT edge of cue ball to point B.

Shot 3: Center of cue ball to RIGHT edge of object ball. LEFT EDGE of cue ball to point B.

OK, I have to go and will just have to assume that you now "get it" and you're never going to miss another ball.

CTE/Pro One makes another convert. YEE-HAH!

JoeyA
 
Maybe this will help you.

Shot 1: Center of cue ball to RIGHT edge of object ball. LEFT edge of cue ball to point A.

Shot 2: Center of cue ball to LEFT edge of Object Ball. RIGHT edge of cue ball to point B.

Shot 3: Center of cue ball to RIGHT edge of object ball. LEFT EDGE of cue ball to point B.

JoeyA

JoeyA notice that the CTEL is the same in shots 1 and 3. So, if you allign your vision center along that CTEL the cueball edge should overlap the object ball similarly in the two shots. Don't you see, there is a problem here in that there is no eye locations specified.
 
Shankster your center to edge line changes on all three shots!! if you were to take a rifle and shoot at the right edge of a water tower, you're bullet from your perspective would hit the edge of the water tower!! If you were to move a foot to the right that bullet hole would no longer be on the edge, it would look like it was in front of the edge of the water tower! And if you were to move a foot to your left, it would look like it was behind the edge of the water tower!! Write down and take to the table Stevies 4-way shot at CB 31 and OB 21 and hopefully you will see how the CTEL changes for every shot!!
Please tell me you're kidding.

The balls don't move. From the fixed CB center only one edge can be seen on each side of the fixed OB. Those edges don't change unless one or both balls moves.

This is rudimentary.

pj
chgo
 
These words have specific meanings in this discussion, whether you understand them or not. CTE involves feel and is not exact.
I not going to debate these meaning less points.

No, in fact he doesn't. If it's so simple and obvious where the stick goes, why don't you just describe it?
ah maybe at the 12:30 to 14:00 shows you :) outside and inside pivots are shown also there. Pay attention to the line he has made on the table, line goes from opposite horn to opposite horn <<< ctel.This is what i see.



If the cue stick always goes next to the CTE line, then there are only two cut angles (CTE + left pivot and CTE + right pivot). If it doesn't always go next to the CTE line, where does it go?
There are reference points that go along with the Ctel/pivots that give you all your options.

Because the lines have to cross at the eye position in order to do that (this isn't obvious to you?), and that only happens when using the A or C aim line and the CB/OB are a certain distance apart (1/2 the distance from the CB to the eyes). It never happens when using the B aim line (which is parallel with the CTE line).


No, you didn't. You don't understand the questions.


This isn't a question.

pj
chgo

I can tell you are now very interested in learning this system and i can tell you see a lot of potential in it :)
 
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Please tell me you're kidding.

The balls don't move. From the fixed CB center only one edge can be seen on each side of the fixed OB. Those edges don't change unless one or both balls moves.

This is rudimentary.

pj
chgo

Your kidding ..right!! Set up a CTEL and move 6 inches to the right..Are you telling me you see the same CTEL!!
 
Your kidding ..right!! Set up a CTEL and move 6 inches to the right..Are you telling me you see the same CTEL!!

Spider used to post something about not looking at it like 2d? i forget what he said, this is what most do not figure out in the beginning and they struggle with the vision part of it...ijs
 
Your kidding ..right!! Set up a CTEL and move 6 inches to the right..Are you telling me you see the same CTEL!!

Pablo, we're trying to pin down if the vision center is supposed to be alligned with the CTEL, or with the SL, or both or neither. Is hypothetically moving your eyes six inches off the CTEL relevant somehow?
 
Just a review from an anti-system guy. Nobody expected pj to post anything relating to trying to get it. I'd bet my house he didn't aggressively try to take-in the info and def hit less than 30 balls with the system.

If you can't eliminate the super-thin option on most regular shots or the thick option from most thin cuts to get the alignment down to 50/50 (and the remainder is obvious from there), you're simply not a player.

People see and take-in what they want to. PJ popped in the DVD with the intention of breaking it down....as if he were a defense attorney versus a player. Like I said...everyone knew he would. The cte poll on stan's video here was overwhelmingly positive.


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Your vision center is set to two fixed edges on any particular shot!! I think Stan would be able to answer this question better than I!!
 
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Maybe this will help you.

Shot 1: Center of cue ball to RIGHT edge of object ball. LEFT edge of cue ball to point A.

Shot 2: Center of cue ball to LEFT edge of Object Ball. RIGHT edge of cue ball to point B.

Shot 3: Center of cue ball to RIGHT edge of object ball. LEFT EDGE of cue ball to point B.

JoeyA

JoeyA notice that the CTEL is the same in shots 1 and 3. So, if you allign your vision center along that CTEL the cueball edge should overlap the object ball similarly in the two shots. Don't you see, there is a problem here in that there is no eye locations specified.

Shank,

I had laid down to sleep and I couldn't sleep thinking that you were off making ball after ball using CTE/Pro One and had to get up to see if you had gotten it.

What you should be realizing is that while the CTEL is the same for both shots, the Aim point for the Edge of the Cue are DIFFERENT. These two different aim points produce a different path for the cue ball. Do you understand that?

In addition, I would guess the the cross bank is probably an inside pivot or a PIVOT from the Left to right.

After you establish your CTEL, (while standing), you should be able to move your head and eyes (lol) very slightly to change the aim point on the edge of the cue ball from A to B. You can hold the CTEL perspective by looking the top of the center of the cue ball and hold that until you can move the edge of the cue ball to the proper aim point.

Maybe you should start with straight in shots so that you can see the way aiming at different aim points, changes the path of the cue ball.
EVERYONE should start with straight in shots (short distances from the pocket and CB approximately 24" from the OB and keep doing it over and over until you see how to hold the CTEL and line up the proper coordinate.
When it clicks, you will be saying, "Oh s**t, is that all there is to it?".

That's all I've got. Hope it helps.
JoeyA
 
Please tell me you're kidding.

The balls don't move. From the fixed CB center only one edge can be seen on each side of the fixed OB. Those edges don't change unless one or both balls moves.

This is rudimentary.

pj
chgo

When you sight the cb inside edge to a/b/c, your no longer seeing the "that one edge" on the ob you're referring to. It's impossible. Sometimes I think you act stupid on purpose and ram the devil's advocate position in every thread. Your eyes aren't on the ctel....so you get that, right?

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...we're trying to pin down if the vision center is supposed to be alligned with the CTEL, or with the SL, or both or neither...

Yeah that. I just don't get how the top proponents of this system cant seem to explain this. It's a rather simple yes/no, this or that type of question. Yet the only answer is, 'practice it more and you will get it.' I have to admit it worked for me very quickly, but I don't know why. It's confusing me.
 
Yeah that. I just don't get how the top proponents of this system cant seem to explain this. It's a rather simple yes/no, this or that type of question. Yet the only answer is, 'practice it more and you will get it.' I have to admit it worked for me very quickly, but I don't know why. It's confusing me.

With your eyes "straddling the ctel" as your starting position...you move your eyes until the cb inside edge hits a b or c (touches the same vertical line in your field of vision). At that point, the 180 deg view of the cb is what you slide into with your tip offset.

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Your vision line is set to two fixed edges on any particular shot!! I think Stan would be able to answer this question better than I!!

If the balls don't move, the CTEL is the same for both shots. If you don't move your head, and sight along the CTEL, how can you see two different cueball edge overlaps on the object ball? You can't! Don't you see there is some information missing here.

I think, perhaps, sighting along the CTEL is being overemphasized. Instead, you sight by feel, somewhere between the CTEL and SL, knowing in advance you need the cueball edge to go to A one time, and knowing it must go to B another time.
 
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