Yet Another CTE Review

[Patrick Johnson]

I can see different cte lines from 2 stationary balls.

From the CB's center you can see one line to the right edge of the OB and one to the left edge of the OB. If you really think you can see more than those, then you're in a different reality.

Is this state of mind necessary for successful CTE use?

pj
chgo

 

[cookie man]

From the CB's center you can see one line to the right edge of the OB and one to the left edge of the OB. If you really think you can see more than those, then you're in a different reality.

Is this state of mind necessary for successful CTE use?

pj
chgo

If this is all you know then why are you even in a cte discussion. After watching the dvd you really think there are only 2?

 

[Mikjary]

So there is no specific place to position your eyes? Just "learn through experience"? At what point did we leave the systematic part of the system behind?

Did you watch the dvd? Does the Ctel and A,B, and C reference points sound familiar? You're trolling now.

What the hell does that mean?

I'll explain it to you in my Cte level smarts. I'll try to sound more intelligent so it is more understandable...

pj
chgo

Why circumvent the system after one viewing? Visual intelligence is the cornerstone. Using the correct visual alignment is the whole tamale. Any deviation...nevermind. How about NONSENSE? Your favorite word.

I knew this was coming. As if it really matters what you think about Cte. How about this? Prove Cte doesn't work. After all, you saw the dvd once. Should I start a new thread?

I'm not interested in proving anything about the system. The real problem here is that nobody, and I repeat NOBODY has been able to explain HOW it works. This is sticking in the collective craw. If you can't explain the system, it is easier to try to discredit it as not worthy of an explanation and maybe it'll go away. Its users are on the lowest level anyway, because we're too stupid to see it for what it really is.

We aren't smart enough to even understand your questions. NONSENSE! lol You have now become a source of amusement for all people who use Cte. We get it, but you can't. We've offered our help, but you sound like one of my kids when I confront them with something they did. "What?, HUH?, No way! I was just...(man, how can I get outta this one?)".

You're already pi$$ing and moaning. At least the other reviewer didn't ask for help before he nailed the dvd. C'mon, PJ! You've had a tack in your shoe for so long you look like a goalie for a dart team. I'm going upstairs to get some Prep H and get you off my mind.


Best,
Mike

 

[GaryB]

The positioning of the bridge hand was vague at best. The aiming seemed to me to be CTE then you pick up the second line of edge to A, B or C which is edge aiming with a 2nd reference point. I'm good with that as it makes it easier to lock in. The rest is a lot of practice. I need to take a lesson from someone who really knows this system and others and is a professional instructor because there are so many interpretations out there from a bunch of of intelligent people.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

Does "straddling the CTEL" mean the vision center is alligned with the CTEL? Yes or No?

EVERYONE sees differently. I use my vision center for the CTEL but then use the eye in the direction of the cut for the 2nd line. But, that's just me. You have to hit a few hundred balls to see which feels best for you.

 

[SpiderWebComm]

pablocruz (you know, the guy I was talking to) said that we can see different CTE lines formed by the same stationary balls. Are you agreeing with him? Or are you acting stupid on purpose?

pj
chgo

LOL--- Let me tell you something Sally, that was funny. I'm streaming a medical conference this morning and I haven't had my coffee yet. You can only sight straight ahead on one line --- and the most crucial is the ABC line. You're actually looking at a parallax view of the CTEL---so the edge of the OB on a true CTEL is invisible unless you're sighting a thick-side A or C. B or 1/8 thin cuts--- the parallax view sights makes the original OB CTEL edge hidden.

You asked another question -- why start from the CTEL? Because, it makes you more exact. Good practice. Just jumping to a point introduces variation. The exact head/eye placement is super important. Why bother to maintain a lock on the (parallax) CTEL? Because having a strong feeling for the location of both lines better locks you to the OB.

COFFEEEE
Dave

 

[Patrick Johnson]

As if it really matters what you think about Cte. How about this? Prove Cte doesn't work.

If you mean "prove CTE isn't entirely systematic", that's already been proved. That's why you're pouting, isn't it?

pj
chgo

 

[cookie man]

If you mean "prove CTE isn't entirely systematic", that's already been proved. That's why you're pouting, isn't it?

pj
chgo

I've yet to see proof, yeah a bunch of "I thinks" and "it might" but no proof.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

LOL--- Let me tell you something Sally, that was funny. I'm streaming a medical conference this morning and I haven't had my coffee yet. You can only sight straight ahead on one line --- and the most crucial is the ABC line. You're actually looking at a parallax view of the CTEL---so the edge of the OB on a true CTEL is invisible unless you're sighting a thick-side A or C. B or 1/8 thin cuts--- the parallax view sights makes the original OB CTEL edge hidden.

You actually can't see the CTE line from either - but never mind. Thanks for the first answer that sounds like it's from the same thread, even though it's still a bit fuzzy. You still can't seem to commit yourself to saying the eyes are or aren't on the "aimpoint" line. This is pretty much what I expected, because this vagueness is how "feel" remains central to the final aiming process.

You asked another question -- why start from the CTEL? Because, it makes you more exact. Good practice. Just jumping to a point introduces variation. The exact head/eye placement is super important. Why bother to maintain a lock on the (parallax) CTEL? Because having a strong feeling for the location of both lines better locks you to the OB.

Thanks for that answer too. I disagree, but at least it's intelligible - a milestone in CTE threads.

I disagree in two ways:

1. I don't think it's really more reliable to start with one highly visible line to find another highly visible line.

2. I don't think that's the real reason for doing it that way. I think it's just part of how the precise eye position (and therefore final aim line) is left vague so the shooter can make the crucial "by feel" adjustment. If the eyes (and therefore the final aim line) are positioned precisely by the system, then the system fails for most shots (not enough system-defined cut angles).

Again I'll emphasize that having "feel" as a crucial element doesn't make the system "bad" - it's how all aiming works. But here's what is bad about this system: it tries too hard to hide that obvious fact. This is the same complaint that everybody has had about all of Hal Houle's "pretend" systems for years and years. The only thing that has changed is that it's becoming more obviously true.

pj
chgo

 

[Patrick Johnson]

If this is all you know then why are you even in a cte discussion. After watching the dvd you really think there are only 2?

cookie, I don't want to have to repeatedly point out that your comments are clueless, so from now on I'll just take your posts as "color commentary" that don't need responses.

pj
chgo

 

[Sev]

Hey PJ I know where Barton is hiding these days.

Doing a lot of bragging. I think he needs your presence. :wink:

 

[bdcues]

Ok, a question from someone that has not seen the video but read page after page about cte and tried to put some of what I have read into practice on the table. No where in the discussions have I seen anything about position play. All the talk is about finding the lines and pivoting to shoot the ball in the hole. Where do english, draw and follow for position come into play???

Bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com

 

[shankster8]

EVERYONE sees differently. I use my vision center for the CTEL but then use the eye in the direction of the cut for the 2nd line. But, that's just me. You have to hit a few hundred balls to see which feels best for you.

Okay, let's accept that everyone sees different, which obviously refers to the supposed fact that each of us has a specific, unique vision center. Therefore, two person's eyes can be in different locations despite that each person has his vision center alligned with the CTEL - which in your language means everyone sees different.

We've been trying to pin down whether we are suposed to allign our eyes with the CTEL, the SL, neither or both, and whether actual movements of the vision center are involved. Your new explanation seems just as nebulous as your earlier description of the "eyes straddling the CTEL".

Obviously, since no one can even define the initial eye placement, feel must dictate that. Experience teaches you to locate your eyes such that the cueball edge alligns appropriately with A,B, or C, and you know in advance which aim point it is supposed to be . How else could Stan, using the same CTEL and without moving the balls or his head, see A once, and C another time? (See post 14). That is "exactly" humerous!

 

[Roger Long]

While you guys are reviewing CTE, I'm putting out dozens of students who are ready to use CTE against you. Go figure.
randyg

That doesn't mean that they will be successful.

Roger

 

[PoolSharkAllen]

Do we need to find the distance between the centers of our pupils?

Someone was telling me yesterday that you guys have been arguing over CTE for the past 10 years. So it stands to reason that you folks are doomed to spending the next 10 years arguing over the nuances of CTE. LOL. :grin:

 

[shankster8]

Do we need to find the distance between the centers of our pupils?

Pocket point, obviously you are being facetious. A lot of people now understand exactly what "Perfect Aim is: fractional ball aiming with the cue centered beneath the eyes. I got rep and PM's to prove it. And yes understanding that eyespan is approximately equal to the cueball diameter is the crux of the proof. I bet your eyespan is about 2 3/8 inches, considerably smaller than your mouth.

 

[Roger Long]

I knew this was coming. As if it really matters what you think about Cte.

It matters to many what PJ thinks about CTE, just as it matters to many what you think about it. People who read these threads do so because they want to examine both sides, not just one.

Roger

 

[shankster8]

Quote:
Originally Posted by shankster8
Okay, let's accept that everyone sees different, which obviously refers to the supposed fact that each of us has a specific, unique vision center. Therefore, two person's eyes can be in different locations despite that each person has his vision center alligned with the CTEL - which in your language means everyone sees different.

We've been trying to pin down whether we are suposed to allign our eyes with the CTEL, the SL, neither or both, and whether actual movements of the vision center are involved. Your new explanation seems just as nebulous as your earlier description of the "eyes straddling the CTEL".

Obviously, since no one can even define the initial eye placement, feel must dictate that. Experience teaches you to locate your eyes such that the cueball edge alligns appropriately with A,B, or C, and you know in advance which aim point it is supposed to be . How else could Stan, using the same CTEL and without moving the balls or his head, see A once, and C another time? (See post 14). That is "exactly" humerous!

Pocketpoint: Do we need to find the distance between the centers of our pupils?

Pocketmouth, why don't you address the issues in my post. Those same issues have been brought forth on numerous occasions, yet none of you smart guys seem able to specifically answer. You act like you know something - let's see it!

 

[shankster8]

Is the cue truly passing straight below my head, or could it be a few degrees off?

I don't know how to explain it.

If you look at a picture of your face, and draw a vertical line to split your face in half, would your cue pass straight through that line?

Never mind, Pocketpoint. Please accept my apology.

 

[bdcues]

So, another page of bickering has gone on. Can no one answer my question about position play using english/draw/follow and cte?


Bob Danielson
www.bdcuesandcomix.com