NaySayers and YeaSayers

champ2107 said:
dr_dave said:
CTE stands for "center to edge." CTE aiming systems use a line from the center of the CB to the outer edge of the OB as a visual reference to help define an initial off-center cue alignment. Then the cue is pivoted to center ball to establish the final aiming line. Several popular versions of CTE are described here:

Beneath the descriptions is a thorough analysis of the limitations of the systems along with explanations of how they can be made to work over a wide range of shots.

Following the procedures exactly with a fixed bridge pivot will not create the necessary lines of aim for a wide range of shots. However, if you vary your "effective pivot length" (e.g., by "air pivoting" and/or by deforming your bridge during a fixed-bridge pivot), then the systems, with lots of practice, can be used effectively for all shots. Again, see the CTE resource page for illustrations and detailed explanations.

Are the systems exact, as described? IMO, hell no!!! (... except when one of the limited lines of aim happens to create the exact cut angle necessary for a particular shot.)

Can the systems be used to arrive at the exact line of aim required for every shot? Yes, but only if you can vary the initial bridge placement and/or effective pivot length the exact amounts required for each shot. This is not easy to do.

Regardless of the limitations of align-and-pivot aiming systems like CTE, they do offer some people significant benefits.
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Lets clear something up here, manual cte is the framework for Pro1 and you know this!
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Agreed.

champ2107 said:
So stop using manual cte as if it were the finished product. When you know Pro1, that is when you have graduated!
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Pro-One is based on Stan's version of CTE (AKA "manual CTE"). Pro-One uses an "air pivot" instead of a bridge pivot, but the approach is the same.

champ2107 said:
I tell you what, you show me your medium thin shot from your table on the dvd and give a time that shows this shot and i will never post again! if you fail to show me, all i ask is for you to stop trying to deceive people by pushing the manual cte results as the finished pro1 system.
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I've explained this to you several times already. Stan's DVD does not present the shot categories directly. Instead, he provides a large number of examples that reveal the pattern indirectly. What I call "medium thin" is just part of the pattern as the cut angle gradually increases from straight-in to thin. Look at the pattern in the summary provided on my website. As the cut angle increases, the pattern in each column is consistent and clear. Stan did not present it exactly like this, but this is how I interpreted his system after watching and studying all of the examples several times.

Spidey and others have claimed my summary captures the gist of Stan's system fairly well. I know you don't agree, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Regards,
Dave
 
dr_dave said:
Agreed.

Pro-One is based on Stan's version of CTE (AKA "manual CTE"). Pro-One uses an "air pivot" instead of a bridge pivot, but the approach is the same.

does the air pivot that stan teaches eliminate pretty much all the bridging issues you have repeatedly stated is wrong with manual cte and would you agree that there will be pretty much the same amount of adjustment to the bridging using Pro1/ghost ball/contact point/etc? The approach may be the same but the results are different when using Pro1,agreed?

I've explained this to you several times already. Stan's DVD does not present the shot categories directly. Instead, he provides a large number of examples that reveal the pattern indirectly. What I call "medium thin" is just part of the pattern as the cut angle gradually increases from straight-in to thin. Look at the pattern in the summary provided on my website. As the cut angle increases, the pattern in each column is consistent and clear. Stan did not present it exactly like this, but this is how I interpreted his system after watching and studying all of the examples several times.

Spidey and others have claimed my summary captures the gist of Stan's system fairly well. I know you don't agree, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.

Regards,
Dave
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Well i can tell you that medium thin shot is not what stan teaches, it is not on the dvd and is not needed. All the other shots are correct on your table though.

Do you agree that the final complete version, is PRO1 as taught by stan on the dvd. There is a last stage to this, that stan does not go into on the dvd that i have realized also...but thats my opinion and i think im 99.9% right about it.

Giving out to much info for Pj but i notice he has picked up on my last opinion already and used it. :)
 
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champ2107 said:
Well i can tell you that medium thin shot is not what stan teaches, it is not on the dvd and is not needed. All the other shots are correct on your table though.

Do you agree that the final complete version, is PRO1 as taught by stan on the dvd. There is a last stage to this, that stan does not go into on the dvd that i have realized also...but thats my opinion and i think im 99.9% right about it.

Giving out to much info for Pj but i notice he has picked up on my last opinion already and used it. :)
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Many of the naysayers aren't neighing as much these days.

CTE/Pro One is a WINNER.
 
They see the puzzle finally coming together now and understanding what the system really is about and that there are no negatives to it!
 
Actually, we are tired with trying to reason with online thugs that can not have a logical debate based on facts and not emotion.
 
Lock N Load said:
Justadub,
How do you think I feel about this!!!! And I do not bother anyone....
Regards,
Lock N Load.
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Yeah...that's where I am...stuck in the middle..
Lotta good men on both sides...it's the un-civil war

Maybe we could start our own argument....
..how do you feel about long shots and the fore-shortening effect?
...carefull !!!...I'm getting ready to freak on ya

regards
pt..<..who wonders where the fence-sitting emoticon is
 
Naysayers have lost the battle over CTE/Pro One.

champ2107 said:
They see the puzzle finally coming together now and understanding what the system really is about and that there are no negatives to it!
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The Naysayers have been BEATEN!


We should have a party to celebrate. :D:thumbup::D

JoeyA (thinks Duckie needs a swim)
 
duckie said:
Actually, we are tired with trying to reason with online thugs that can not have a logical debate based on facts and not emotion.
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I suspect that any "winner" of these discussion threads will not be based on any reason or debate, but rather on stubborn repetitive persistence alone..
 
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Hello PT, I am being careful...

pt109 said:
Yeah...that's where I am...stuck in the middle..
Lotta good men on both sides...it's the un-civil war

Maybe we could start our own argument....
..how do you feel about long shots and the fore-shortening effect?
...carefull !!!...I'm getting ready to freak on ya

regards
pt..<..who wonders where the fence-sitting emoticon is
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I am going to stay clear of any argument! And try harder to keep my mouth shut. I get in trouble for not saying and saying something.... Thanks PT. Nice to hear from you. Please don't freak on me! I can't make a ball....
Regards,
Lock N Load.
 
i would agree Joey, this is a progressive system and your shown 2 stages of it and the third stage will come to users in time. Also the third stage i refer to is based on my experience and opinion and have I have not discussed it with anyone either. But Pj knows what im talking about, the eyes lead and the body always follows :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKR0l7odlVI&feature=related :thumbup:
 
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JoeyA said:
The Naysayers have been BEATEN!


We should have a party to celebrate. :D:thumbup::D

JoeyA (thinks Duckie needs a swim)
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Well, this thread has finally descended to Joey channeling John Barton again (not that it was ever much more).

Somebody get the lights.

pj
chgo
 

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Oh, snap!

Just wait until those NFL running backs are taught the one-foot-in-front-of-the-other system. It's going to be a game-changer, for sure. :thumbup:

Will CTE be having their own world championship, or will the less fortunate feel hacks be allowed to add their own dead money? :confused::p Will they then change DCC to the Derby CTE Classic?

This thread has been too funny.. I can't let it just fade into stupidity.

And somebody get Shaq on the phone.. you could make millions teaching him CTE for free-throws.
 
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Banks said:
Oh, snap!

Just wait until those NFL running backs are taught the one-foot-in-front-of-the-other system. It's going to be a game-changer, for sure. :thumbup:

Will CTE be having their own world championship, or will the less fortunate feel hacks be allowed to add their own dead money? :confused::p Will they then change DCC to the Derby CTE Classic?

This thread has been too funny.. I can't let it just fade into stupidity.

And somebody get Shaq on the phone.. you could make millions teaching him CTE for free-throws.
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In the end its no longer Cte really ;) 1'st cte - 2'nd pro1 - ask Pj about this >>>>>> ;) 3'rd shooting like a champ and the rest is up to you <<< my opinion :)


we need this one more time >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKR0l7odlVI&feature=related
 
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champ2107 said:
In the end its no longer Cte really ;) 1'st cte - 2'nd pro1 - ask Pj about this >>>>>> ;) 3'rd shooting like a champ and the rest is up to you <<< my opinion :)


we need this one more time >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKR0l7odlVI&feature=related
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Guess I should've stuck around for pre-algebra and algebra 1. That's what you meant, right? ;)

Can't wait til we can all sit down, enjoy a good meal and talk about who prodded who the most during this whole fiasco. :p
 
Patrick Johnson said:
Punctuation and spelling are apparently way up into triple digits (like 120:rd or 150;st or something, I don*t know for sure).

pj
chgo
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I guess your giving me free lessons? you are repaying me for helping you understand cte since you were incapable of doing it on your own? :thumbup:
 
champ2107 said:
dr_dave said:
Pro-One is based on Stan's version of CTE (AKA "manual CTE"). Pro-One uses an "air pivot" instead of a bridge pivot, but the approach is the same.

I've explained this to you several times already. Stan's DVD does not present the shot categories directly. Instead, he provides a large number of examples that reveal the pattern indirectly. What I call "medium thin" is just part of the pattern as the cut angle gradually increases from straight-in to thin. Look at the pattern in the summary provided on my website. As the cut angle increases, the pattern in each column is consistent and clear. Stan did not present it exactly like this, but this is how I interpreted his system after watching and studying all of the examples several times.

Spidey and others have claimed my summary captures the gist of Stan's system fairly well. I know you don't agree, but we will just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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Well i can tell you that medium thin shot is not what stan teaches
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After I viewed the DVD multiple times and studied all of the examples and special cases, my interpretation was that this case is included, but only Stan can confirm for sure. If Stan did intend to exclude this case, maybe he should reconsider, because there are many cut angles between a 1/2-ball hit and a very thin hit. Also, excluding this case breaks the pattern in the summarizing table.

champ2107 said:
Do you agree that the final complete version, is PRO1 as taught by stan on the dvd.
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Pro One is based on basic CTE. Some people might prefer a basic fixed-bridge mechanical pivot. Others might prefer a Pro One "air pivot." IMO, the Pro One approach requires more "feel." For some people, Pro One will be a more "final and complete version;" but others might think the basic CTE approach is more "final and complete." It certainly leaves less to judgment, IMO.

Regards,
Dave
 
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I'm not here to argue, just here with a question. I've never seen anyone playing a televised match (pro) making weird pivots to the CB. Do no pros need this or what's the deal?
BTW I think noone can be declared the winner until after a few head to head matches are played.
People who use the cte based aiming systems vs people who can see where to hit the OB just by looking at it.
Put some money up and stream them. I'd watch if just for the comedy factor alone.
 
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