Cte

[jrhendy]

Who ever said it would? Or that you don't need those other items? You also left out kicking (why didn't you knock lil Joe kicking systems?), banking (didn't see you knocking Freddies systems, or the systems Brumback uses), speed control, safety play, ect.

By the way, I always loved playing those guys with a lot of heart that couldn't make the ball! They never knew when to quit!

Did you not see "Any other system" in my post.

Many CTE defenders are just too thin skinned IMO When they see a perceived knock against their Holy Grail.

If it works for you, great. I have been a pretty good player for 50+ years without it.

Let's play a little one pocket sometime and see who quits.

I will be in Las Vegas in May. Bet what you want.

 

[Quesports]

Did you not see "Any other system" in my post.

Many CTE defenders are just too thin skinned IMO When they see a perceived knock against their Holy Grail.

If it works for you, great. I have been a pretty good player for 50+ years without it.

Let's play a little one pocket sometime and see who quits.

I will be in Las Vegas in May. Bet what you want.

GLAD to see you posting JR. Hope you are feeling better as well!!!

 

[jrt30004]

this is all i can say is this about the cte/pro one aiming systam and stan's lessons. i play with a guy here in atlanta who shoots lights out. i don't want to use his name because i don't know how he'd feel about that. he already plays lights out. plays in pro and open events. has multiple runs well over a hundred in 14.1, regularly busts packs in 8, 9, and 10 ball, and went to see stan two weeks ago and took a weekend lesson. he is currently working to digest and practice everything stan taught him. will the aiming system be the end all be all for him? my guess no. but like the op said, my friend is taking the knowledge and incorporating it into his game and i have no doubt it will make him better.
he tried to show me one shot that the pro one instantly helped him with and i could see his enthusiasm. when he tried to explain to me what he was doing it was hard to grasp in just a few minutes, but i could tell it opened some door for him. i think a large percent of people are bashing pro one/cte because some on the forum are treating it like an end game solution. use it and you will be the greatest ever / don't use it and never win again or the other side, it's all garbage. i think if every one relaxed and didn't speak in terms of absolutes these threads would be more useful and productive. the aiming system can make you better (hell any aiming system will help if you're not using any), but if you are just a terrible player or to closed minded to try something new, nothing will help.

 

[CocoboloCowboy]

they do get better and win more. This is what the cte players are always talking about. But the people who are against cte say that it's not because of cte that players are playing better.

Stevie says he is better since learning cte and attributes it to helping him win a few more events. Matt krah

i have snapped off several nice scores since learning cte.

It's my honest opinion that a lot of really good players do cte naturally without knowing it. Bangers stick with gb and so for them it's a tough transition to what good players have naturally evolved to.

I just spent some time with klaus zobrekis, a german world beater who still plays in the national league there, same class as souquet, etc....

I asked him one night about cte and showed him what i do. He said that this is how he aims but that when he is coming into the cue ball he is zeroing in on the contact point. He uses the edge of the object ball to start and then comes into the shot with his eyes going to the contact point. If you watch him play and you use cte then you would think he is using cte.

You know full well though that there is way more to becoming a champion than being able to make balls. You and i both know shot makers who can't run out to save their lives. These guys are better than even money to make any difficult shot on the table and equally good odds to dog easy ones.

I really do believe that with cte as a baseline for aiming and the right guidance on the other aspects of the game that a player does have a shortcut to becoming a champion.

But here are two testimonials from players whose speed you can probably respect more than no name bangers.

"hi stan,
just wanted to let you know that i took first place in a tough blaze event in new jersey yesterday. I won twice against a very strong player, 7-2, 7-1, in the finals. Amazingly this was my first event i played in since working with you and applying the things you showed me!! I cant thank you enough for the things you taught me. I have been using pro one with ease and everyone is telling me how disciplined i look on the table. Also, my break is working wonderfully and really making my run outs much easier.

Thanks again. Talk to you soon!

Matt krah "

"
i learned the pro one aiming system from stan shuffett about 1 year ago. I successfully used pro one in the 2008 derby city classic 9-ball division getting a top 10 finish. I recently used the system getting wins at 2 seminole florida pro tour events. .

Stevie moore
2008 winner of the florida pro tour steve mizerak championship "

"burford, as he had done both throughout the match and the whole tournament, showed experience far beyond his 20 short years to take his first ever main gb9 title and become the youngest ever winner of a gb9 main event. "i would like to thank stan shuffet for teaching me pro one/cte. I use this system full time now and after living in america for five months last year, i believe my game has jumped up at least a ball!" claimed an understandably delighted burford." written about phil burford from england

amen.....

 

[Neil]

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[brandoncook26]

If James was already an accomplished player he wouldn't be discussing this nonsense in the first place.
As for substantiation, how can you equate a victory to an aiming system? How can you show that these two upper level players were able to step into the winners circle simply because they had adopted some type of system. What ever happened to the years upon years they spent learning, practicing, and playing that in reality got them to where they are in the first place. Well, the answer is, you can't. All you can do is bluster, and posture, and threaten, and I would be very careful, if I were you, about putting Mr. Moore in the position you just did.
Now how about you and your lackys leaving this forum and going somewhere else where you can all enjoy the taste of crap through cloth together. This is a pool forum. Not a CTE forum.

Sorry, I like your posts, but if you knew how James plays you would not make such ignorant comments.

 

[JB Cases]

If James was already an accomplished player he wouldn't be discussing this nonsense in the first place.
As for substantiation, how can you equate a victory to an aiming system? How can you show that these two upper level players were able to step into the winners circle simply because they had adopted some type of system. What ever happened to the years upon years they spent learning, practicing, and playing that in reality got them to where they are in the first place. Well, the answer is, you can't. All you can do is bluster, and posture, and threaten, and I would be very careful, if I were you, about putting Mr. Moore in the position you just did.
Now how about you and your lackys leaving this forum and going somewhere else where you can all enjoy the taste of crap through cloth together. This is a pool forum. Not a CTE forum.

Putting Mr Moore in what position? You don't want to know what Mr. Moore thinks about people like you who crap all over other people's hard work in regards to this topic.

I am not showing anything I QUOTED their testimonials where THEY attributed winning IN PART to learning CTE/ProOne. So either they are telling the truth or they are lying. Since you dispute them you are effectively calling them liars. Or perhaps you would like to say that they are so stupid as to not know when they have gotten better and are performing at a higher level.

And yes James is ALREADY a good player. What makes you think that a GOOD player can't improve by learning a new technique?

 

[NewStroke]

What makes you think that a GOOD player can't improve by learning a new technique?

A good player is always open to new techniques/strategies. It's up to him to see if they actually work for him.

 

[JB Cases]

this is all i can say is this about the cte/pro one aiming systam and stan's lessons. i play with a guy here in atlanta who shoots lights out. i don't want to use his name because i don't know how he'd feel about that. he already plays lights out. plays in pro and open events. has multiple runs well over a hundred in 14.1, regularly busts packs in 8, 9, and 10 ball, and went to see stan two weeks ago and took a weekend lesson. he is currently working to digest and practice everything stan taught him. will the aiming system be the end all be all for him? my guess no. but like the op said, my friend is taking the knowledge and incorporating it into his game and i have no doubt it will make him better.
he tried to show me one shot that the pro one instantly helped him with and i could see his enthusiasm. when he tried to explain to me what he was doing it was hard to grasp in just a few minutes, but i could tell it opened some door for him. i think a large percent of people are bashing pro one/cte because some on the forum are treating it like an end game solution. use it and you will be the greatest ever / don't use it and never win again or the other side, it's all garbage. i think if every one relaxed and didn't speak in terms of absolutes these threads would be more useful and productive. the aiming system can make you better (hell any aiming system will help if you're not using any), but if you are just a terrible player or to closed minded to try something new, nothing will help.

Thing is that NO CTE advocate ever says that learning it makes you a world beater. We share our enthusiasm like your friend did because it works as advertised for getting the player to the shot line. What you do after your on the ball is what makes or breaks you as a player.

In fact we are CAREFUL to say that it takes practice to get comfortable with it and make it a natural part of your game.

It's only the anti-CTE crowd that says it's garbage and starts trotting out the "why aren't you a champion yet" condescension. And the best part is that they say well then WHO uses it that's good and when we point those players out then they are dismissed as lying shills. But if a pro class player should be reported to say something like "systems are nonsense" then the anti-CTE crowd holds them up as a poster boy. So only one side is being dicks about this. The pro-CTE crowd justs wants to share something that helps them.

What the anti-CTE crowd wants is anybody's guess. Just not to be wrong is my thought.

 

[jrhendy]

Did YOU not see where I asked you why you don't jump in all the other threads about systems and knock them too? That was my point. As far as one pocket, I probably have played it less than 2 dozen times in my life. As too the skill level, I'll just give it to you, and quite a few other thousand players.

The only thing I'm thin skinned about when it comes to CTE is all the knockers. If something improves ones game, why should ANYONE come on here and knock it?? Yet, with every CTE mention, SOMEONE ALWAYS has to knock it. WHY?? What's your point? You learned the hard way, so everyone else has to too??

I can't explain why others knock it but I will tell you why I do since you seem to be interested.

Most of my knocks, and I have just recently started posting them, are on the threads where the knockers show a little humor. Humor is lacking in the believers. Maybe because they have been getting knocked so long. I also find the serious posts by the knockers easier to believe than the responses of the followers of CTE.

I am a lifetime pool player at a fairly high level for a working man (Now retired), and think some of the claims of the believers are pretty far out there. I do think that if you believe something helps you strong enough, it will, and that is the main ingredient for the success of aiming systems in general.

Confidence is a huge part of playing good pool. If CTE builds your confidence, it works for you. It just seems too complicated for me to swallow this late in my pool playing career.

 

[JoeyA]

If James was already an accomplished player he wouldn't be discussing this nonsense in the first place.
As for substantiation, how can you equate a victory to an aiming system? How can you show that these two upper level players were able to step into the winners circle simply because they had adopted some type of system. What ever happened to the years upon years they spent learning, practicing, and playing that in reality got them to where they are in the first place. Well, the answer is, you can't. All you can do is bluster, and posture, and threaten, and I would be very careful, if I were you, about putting Mr. Moore in the position you just did.
Now how about you and your lackys leaving this forum and going somewhere else where you can all enjoy the taste of crap through cloth together. This is a pool forum. Not a CTE forum.

You really don't have a clue. You come on these CTE threads with your pompous, ignorant, aristocratic attitude, ad hominem attacks, warning members about what they say and post, telling forum members to eat shit and leave the forum.

Who do you think you are?

JoeyA

 

[Tramp Steamer]

Sorry, I like your posts, but if you knew how James plays you would not make such ignorant comments.

I'm realy not interested in how well James plays, but for the sake of argument, Brandon, how would you rate James's play?
Around my parts we tend to rate players by 'speed'. A new guy might be a one or two speed, where as a good shortstop might be a nine or a ten. It kind of depends on who's telling the story.
Now if you were of the opinion that our friend James was at the upper level, say eight, nine, or even ten, then you've only helped with my contention.
Players who have gotten this far do not need an aiming system. It will not take them over the top. All they need at these levels is courage and conviction, or as my good friend jr so eloquently said. "Heart."

 

[JB Cases]

I'm realy not interested in how well James plays, but for the sake of argument, Brandon, how would you rate James's play?
Around my parts we tend to rate players by 'speed'. A new guy might be a one or two speed, where as a good shortstop might be a nine or a ten. It kind of depends on who's telling the story.
Now if you were of the opinion that our friend James was at the upper level, say eight, nine, or even ten, then you've only helped with my contention.
Players who have gotten this far do not need an aiming system. It will not take them over the top. All they need at these levels is courage and conviction, or as my good friend jr so eloquently said. "Heart."

How do you know what a player needs? How do you know what the catalyst would be for any player to reach a higher level?

I am sure you're not a world beater so how would you ever know what a world beater needs or doesn't need?

It might surprise you to know that the top players obsess over their game all the time trying to tweak it and stay on top.

Darren Appleton, arguably in the top ten in the world right now, went to a coach to fix his stroke last year.

Stevie Moore took lessons from Stan Shuffet.

Jasmin Ouschan travels with a coach.

Gerda Hofstaetter took lessons from Stan.

Your ignorance is astounding.

 

[pablocruz]

It has to be how one visualizes how to arrive at the GB. I cannot fathom how one can use CTE - for where to place the bridge hand has not, to me, been succinctly divulged.

OTOH I can visualize double distance and GB aiming and this has served me well.:thumbup:

Please explain where to place the bridge hand in double the distance and Ghost ball? Your comment is just another "shit-starter!"

 

[brandoncook26]

I'm realy not interested in how well James plays, but for the sake of argument, Brandon, how would you rate James's play?
Around my parts we tend to rate players by 'speed'. A new guy might be a one or two speed, where as a good shortstop might be a nine or a ten. It kind of depends on who's telling the story.
Now if you were of the opinion that our friend James was at the upper level, say eight, nine, or even ten, then you've only helped with my contention.
Players who have gotten this far do not need an aiming system. It will not take them over the top. All they need at these levels is courage and conviction, or as my good friend jr so eloquently said. "Heart."

I'm glad you're not interested in Mr. Roberts. I only bring it up because you posted in his thread, mentioning his lack of ability twice. That would seem to reason that you are interested, but what do I know.

I have a CTE opinion but that is not what I posted on. I have done a pretty good job of not getting dragged into the drudge that are these threads. If you want to carry the flag more power to you sir. My suggestion is that you would make sure you're facts are all in line before doing so. Have a wonderful day on the boat.

 

[JB Cases]

James,

This will make sense to you. Using CTE I went from being a one pocket sellout to someone who can spot better 9 ball players in one pocket. The other day I was giving up 11:8 and my opponent got to 7 and I needed 12 and I beat him. The reason I beat him was because of the shots I was able to make using CTE to aim. Shots that I would normally dog in one pocket, especially under that pressure.

Now in 9 ball I can almost hold my own playing even against players who gave me weight a few months ago.

And in the past two months I have taken down two good scores with one of them being a complete demolition of a player who previous beat me.

I haven't played any tournaments since mastering CTE so I can't give you results there.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

You really don't have a clue. You come on these CTE threads with your pompous, ignorant, aristocratic attitude, ad hominem attacks, warning members about what they say and post, telling forum members to eat shit and leave the forum.

Who do you think you are?

JoeyA

The 'Mouth from the South'. I was wondering when you might show up. Love the blue font, by-the-way.
You know what is so glaringly obvious about your and JB's enthusiasim over this CTE nonsense? It's the fact that you are both businessmen in an industry that to most of us is only a hobby. It wouldn't take an even half bright detective to figure out that the both of you have vested interests in the subject.
Regardless. Why don't you follow your friend over there, to that happy place where you can practice your pseudo-science in peace, and perhaps profit a little along the way.

 

[Tramp Steamer]

James,

This will make sense to you. Using CTE I went from being a one pocket sellout to someone who can spot better 9 ball players in one pocket. The other day I was giving up 11:8 and my opponent got to 7 and I needed 12 and I beat him. The reason I beat him was because of the shots I was able to make using CTE to aim. Shots that I would normally dog in one pocket, especially under that pressure.

Now in 9 ball I can almost hold my own playing even against players who gave me weight a few months ago.

And in the past two months I have taken down two good scores with one of them being a complete demolition of a player who previous beat me.

I haven't played any tournaments since mastering CTE so I can't give you results there.

I can believe the "sellout" part, but all the rest is suspect.

 

[Jal]

...
The only thing I'm thin skinned about when it comes to CTE is all the knockers. If something improves ones game, why should ANYONE come on here and knock it?? Yet, with every CTE mention, SOMEONE ALWAYS has to knock it. WHY?? What's your point? ...

Neil, why do people, who, by their own admission, couldn't tell you the difference between a secant and a centroid, believe their assertions are correct against the admonitions of those who do know geometry, a few of which teach university level courses in engineering/physics? Why do the proponents continue to see themselves as budding Galileos persecuted by The Inquisition, when in fact they're doing a much better imitation of Simplicio? Why do they not take the hint and stop with the false claims?

Eternal mysteries.

Jim

 

[JB Cases]

I can believe the "sellout" part, but all the rest is suspect.

Well you are more than welcome to try me some and see how you do. Just tell me where I can find you. Your "friend" JR Hendy has the same challenge to Joey and Neil and probably to me too if I engaged him so I will give you the same offer.

Let's play some and see who quits.

I will take a flyer that you are as ignorant as you seem to be about pool and pool players.

if you're hustling us all then I will take one for the team.