Update from Legends and Champions Archer/Strickland Update from the horses mouth

[pooladdiction]

Sometimes you CAN'T deliver what's promised because a certain SERVICE PROVIDER goes down - and there's nothing you can do about it. It's not a case of someone being a donkey and not being able to technically handle a stream. If you promised your wife you'd pick up dinner from her favorite restaurant on the way home and the restaurant was closed (unexpectedly), did you fail to deliver on what you promised? Would it be right for your wife to give you shit for a few days because of it?

I have no affiliation with anything the streaming guys do, but one thing I CAN tell you IF (stress IF) they make a profit, it's certainly not worth the bullshit they have to take if something out of their control goes south and they have to fade pages of "I'm enraged / blood boiling" threads.

You guys go all postal on the streamers if something goes wrong--- and never do the opposite when it goes right. If ALL of the streamers stopped streaming in protest from the constant BS---- you guys would all be crying little girls.

Dave

You're comparing apples to oranges here. Let's take your analogy and make it a little more fitting.
Your wife gives you $25 to pick up dinner for her. Upon arriving at the restaurant you find out they are unexpectantly closed. You've got 3 options. Pick her up mc donalds for half the dough, and refund her the other half. Come home and tell her sorry the restaurant was closed and refund her the money or, (and this seems to be your option) tell her sorry, the restaurant was closed and pocket the money claiming you wasted your time and gas money getting there and she should take it up with the restaurant. Hmmm...
As far as people not giving the streamers proper credit...I think alot of priase was bestowed upon tar for doing the right thing and I think people have even more respect for them now than before the earl/shane match.

 

[duker]

I've been streaming events (corporate events and the IPT) since the late 90's. Streaming isn't in its infancy, for sure. However, people have no idea how hard it is to produce a solid event. The problem lies here:

*** The audience will never want to pay enough money to cost-justify acquiring a solid internet line, bringing in multiple layers of switching and electronics, etc.

Even when you do everything RIGHT, things are still outside of your control that might affect the final stream quality and there's nothing you can do about it. When things go south during a streaming event, it's rarely something where you can be like, "OH-- it must be _____." Like with most situations, it takes time to figure it out and make an adjustment.

I'm really shocked why some people are "up-in-arms" over the debacle yesterday and marching up the hill with torches and pitch-forks DEMANDING their money back (as if they were so insulted and upset that there was a problem--- they're becoming indignant). I'm sure all you have to do is "ask" and Mark will take good care of you.

It's so rare (even when one of my clients pays $15k to $25k for a 1 or 2 day event) where NOTHING goes wrong - and that's with a full staff of people, dedicated T1 lines from Verizon (that cost a TON for a 2 day deployment), redundant equipment, etc.

Either you guys want future streamed events or you don't. If streaming promoters have to fade this nasty shit every time something goes south--- you won't have many events left to choose from. If things go bad - they'll take care of you. No need to get rammy and indignant.[/Q Dave...I was curious if you Purchased the PPV yesterday ?????

 

[duker]

I've been streaming events (corporate events and the IPT) since the late 90's. Streaming isn't in its infancy, for sure. However, people have no idea how hard it is to produce a solid event. The problem lies here:

*** The audience will never want to pay enough money to cost-justify acquiring a solid internet line, bringing in multiple layers of switching and electronics, etc.

Even when you do everything RIGHT, things are still outside of your control that might affect the final stream quality and there's nothing you can do about it. When things go south during a streaming event, it's rarely something where you can be like, "OH-- it must be _____." Like with most situations, it takes time to figure it out and make an adjustment.

I'm really shocked why some people are "up-in-arms" over the debacle yesterday and marching up the hill with torches and pitch-forks DEMANDING their money back (as if they were so insulted and upset that there was a problem--- they're becoming indignant). I'm sure all you have to do is "ask" and Mark will take good care of you.

It's so rare (even when one of my clients pays $15k to $25k for a 1 or 2 day event) where NOTHING goes wrong - and that's with a full staff of people, dedicated T1 lines from Verizon (that cost a TON for a 2 day deployment), redundant equipment, etc.

Either you guys want future streamed events or you don't. If streaming promoters have to fade this nasty shit every time something goes south--- you won't have many events left to choose from. If things go bad - they'll take care of you. No need to get rammy and indignant.[/Q

Dave...I am curious if you purchased the PPV yesterday ??????

 

[SpiderWebComm]

It's a moot point. If they selected ustream as the ppv provider and ustream had problems, Jesus himself could have flown down from heaven to manage the event and it still would have failed. That's what many of you aren't getting. I'm sure the streaming guys are sick like you are. No need to get emotional. IF anyone should get emotional, it's the promoter. The promoter still has to pay for the event expenses even if they deliver refunds. Ultimately, it's the promoter who is out $$$, not the audience.

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[justadub]

I see your bump and raise you a bump. :grin-square:

Not real good with the poker stuff, but I'll call you.

BUMP

(Not going all in, just yet. )

 

[JDB]

Sometimes you CAN'T deliver what's promised because a certain SERVICE PROVIDER goes down - and there's nothing you can do about it. It's not a case of someone being a donkey and not being able to technically handle a stream. If you promised your wife you'd pick up dinner from her favorite restaurant on the way home and the restaurant was closed (unexpectedly), did you fail to deliver on what you promised? Would it be right for your wife to give you shit for a few days because of it?

I have no affiliation with anything the streaming guys do, but one thing I CAN tell you IF (stress IF) they make a profit, it's certainly not worth the bullshit they have to take if something out of their control goes south and they have to fade pages of "I'm enraged / blood boiling" threads.

You guys go all postal on the streamers if something goes wrong--- and never do the opposite when it goes right. If ALL of the streamers stopped streaming in protest from the constant BS---- you guys would all be crying little girls.

Dave

Your example doesn't make a lot of sense. Lets change a few of the details to make it a little bit more applicable to this situation.

In your example, lets assume that the wife gave the husband $30 do pick up the dinner from the restaurant and that the husband came home with nothing because the restaurant was closed. However, he tells his wife that she can't have the $30 back because it was no fault of his.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense doesn't it.

 

[paksat]

Your example doesn't make a lot of sense. Lets change a few of the details to make it a little bit more applicable to this situation.

In your example, lets assume that the wife gave the husband $30 do pick up the dinner from the restaurant and that the husband came home with nothing because the restaurant was closed. However, he tells his wife that she can't have the $30 back because it was no fault of his.

Yeah, that makes a lot of sense doesn't it.

lol :thumbup:

 

[duker]

Dave

It's a moot point. If they selected ustream as the ppv provider and ustream had problems, Jesus himself could have flown down from heaven to manage the event and it still would have failed. That's what many of you aren't getting. I'm sure the streaming guys are sick like you are. No need to get emotional. IF anyone should get emotional, it's the promoter. The promoter still has to pay for the event expenses even if they deliver refunds. Ultimately, it's the promoter who is out $$$, not the audience.

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Dave...I'm just asking if you purchased the PPV ????

 

[SpiderWebComm]

I disagree with a lot of what you have to say Spider. People aren't being indignant. They have all the right in the world to be upset about paying $25 and not getting what they paid for. Your word choice in that regards is poor.

They aren't marching up hills with pitch forks, chill the **** out. They're going to the place they know will most likely gain an impact with their voice, and that's AZB. Why do you think protests are so effective?

And as far as I'm concerned, people are more thank thankful for the guys behind the scenes that provide the streams. I only have to go back as far as March and you can read through threads praising TAR for their job, even with their technical difficulties. When Justin offered a refund, 2 out of 1100+ people in the chatroom asked for one.

Coming up with excuses for why you can't have a functioning stream for two days is irresponsible and frankly, childish. Either you can or you can't, that's all there is to it. People aren't asking for the holy grail, they just want a functioning stream.

Nobody has a right to be upset especially when Mark mentioned he'd offer refunds. If you didn't get what you paid for --- no problem, get a refund. That constant badgering isn't acceptable, though.